Lies about CI's

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Speedy Hawk said:
English isn't Deaf children natural language since they can't hear and have to be taught. That the point of speech therapy, AVT, etc. If English was Deaf children natural language then they shouldn't need all that help.

Also hearing baby learn to hear and listen while they still inside their mother tummy (Saw programme about it on TV), hearing baby would know which voice is their mother before they are born and their father too if he is involved enough.

Deaf babies use their hands and pointing naturally so that why sign language is their natural language, and they don't need be taught unless they are in hearing family doesn't know sign (or don't want sign for whatever the reason). Deaf children with Deaf parents pick up sign language like hearing children with hearing parents.
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deafbajagal said:
However it is always easier to teach English when a deaf child has a rich language base such as ASL. Because I can draw from ASL to teach English, and that's always a plus. The kid has vocabulary!

A kid who comes to me with NO language base whatsoever...I take extra vitamins when I teach him. Because it's going to take everything I have to try to get him to catch up.
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That's why I strongly support the use of both for all deaf children to reduce those kinds of risks of no language base.
 
Speedy Hawk said:
English isn't Deaf children natural language since they can't hear and have to be taught. That the point of speech therapy, AVT, etc. If English was Deaf children natural language then they shouldn't need all that help.
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Deaf children with Deaf parents pick up sign language like hearing children with hearing parents.
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Yes, Deaf children with Deaf parents are immersed in ASL from the start and do wonderfully! But deaf children of hearing parents are not typically immersed in sign without therapy and directed learning. Just like those who suddenly hear with CIs after years of silence, and need to catch up using avt, aural rehab. etc., deaf children who are not born into a Deaf community require a lot of help to become fluent in ASL. Even if parents find a way to become fluent VERY quickly, most of the time their extended family, neighbors, schools, television, movies, etc. do not offer sign input. I've even heard of siblings not learning their own brother's / sister's language.

The language a child experiences all around him is his natural language. Unless enormous effort is made by all around him to provide immersion in ASL at home and school and in the community, spoken language will most often be the "natural language" of a deaf child with a CIs or with adequate amplification from HAs.
 
deafbajagal said:
not sure i agree with that...there is a difference. Every deaf child needs language therapy, regardless of which language is being chosen to be used as the child's primary language. Ideally, if the child is using asl, she will be exposed to english bilingually as much as possible. Using exclusively asl only, especially during the early stages of language development, makes me very uneasy.

Language immersion applies to either asl or spoken english. If i hadn't been immersed in spoken english, then i would not have learned to speak and write english at the level that i do. The key to immersion is making sure the child has access to the language as much as possible. Kids who are successful at being oral usually thrive from a home environment that makes the spoken language accessible to them in one way or another.

This is exactly why i do not always say that asl is the ideal language for a deaf child of hearing parents. How can a deaf child be truly immerged in asl if the parents haven't even learned it yet? Therapy simply provides tools, strategies, and practice. immersion means the language is accessible most of the time, if not always.

my daughter, who is unilaterally deaf, does not like to sign even though my husband and i use signed english at home. She is exposed to both signed english and asl often. But she rather use spoken english. And that's fine by me. For whatever reason, that's her preferred mode of communication. each child is wired differently.
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GrendelQ said:
Yes, Deaf children with Deaf parents are immersed in ASL from the start and do wonderfully! But deaf children of hearing parents are not typically immersed in sign without therapy and directed learning. Just like those who suddenly hear with CIs after years of silence, and need to catch up using avt, aural rehab. etc., deaf children who are not born into a Deaf community require a lot of help to become fluent in ASL. Even if parents find a way to become fluent VERY quickly, most of the time their extended family, neighbors, schools, television, movies, etc. do not offer sign input. I've even heard of siblings not learning their own brother's / sister's language.

The language a child experiences all around him is his natural language. Unless enormous effort is made by all around him to provide immersion in ASL at home and school and in the community, spoken language will most often be the "natural language" of a deaf child with a CIs or with adequate amplification from HAs.
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Aren't you contradicting yourself?
 
GrendelQ said:
In what way?
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It's a no-brainer. A child born into a deaf family with ASL will consider it his/her natural language, no matter how enormous outside influences are to change it.
 
Beowulf said:
It's a no-brainer. A child born into a deaf family with ASL will consider it his/her natural language, no matter how enormous outside influences are to change it.
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Right. "Deaf children with Deaf parents are immersed in ASL from the start and do wonderfully!"

Most deaf children are born to hearing families and are surrounded by spoken language, however, even if parents start learning ASL.
 
deafbajagal said:
Hands & Voices :: Articles

This was VERY interesting to read. It ties in with this thread perfectly. There's no black and white answers.
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Excellent organization. I'd rather put my money into that organization than anything else. They are very professional about what they do. Other relatively newer organizations are basically temperamental, unprofessional and Deaf politically oriented. In Hands and Voices I was featured in a two page interview (on paper) about 3 years ago.
 
I agree, which is why it's the only organization I agreed to serve on as a board member. It's unbiased, and their focus is to provide ALL of the most updated, current information to support parents in whatever means possible. I went to one meeting and was hooked.
 
deafbajagal said:
I agree, which is why it's the only organization I agreed to serve on as a board member. It's unbiased, and their focus is to provide ALL of the most updated, current information to support parents in whatever means possible. I went to one meeting and was hooked.
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I agree. Because it is run by parents for parents I feel like it is the most unbiased and welcoming organization and the only one I am willing to affiliate myself with.
 
GrendelQ said:
Yes, Deaf children with Deaf parents are immersed in ASL from the start and do wonderfully! But deaf children of hearing parents are not typically immersed in sign without therapy and directed learning. Just like those who suddenly hear with CIs after years of silence, and need to catch up using avt, aural rehab. etc., deaf children who are not born into a Deaf community require a lot of help to become fluent in ASL. Even if parents find a way to become fluent VERY quickly, most of the time their extended family, neighbors, schools, television, movies, etc. do not offer sign input. I've even heard of siblings not learning their own brother's / sister's language.

The language a child experiences all around him is his natural language. Unless enormous effort is made by all around him to provide immersion in ASL at home and school and in the community, spoken language will most often be the "natural language" of a deaf child with a CIs or with adequate amplification from HAs.
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(groan) Facepalm. :roll:
 
Please explain how having a S&L therapist made it impossible for my daughter to acquire language incidentally and/or peripherally?

Love the anti cochlear implant crew.
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Rick, you are still SO fixtated on your opinon that the Deaf World is anti CI, that you're assuming we're anti CI We are NOT! Just b/c we're not all " CI CI CI CI!!!!" Yes, the CI allows for SOME access to the hearing world.....but not total and complete. Just as with hearing aids....and you get a range from "almost H/hearing" (your daughter) to almost Deaf..there's a HUGE range of benifit and identification....and it doesn't nessarily have to do with how well a kid can hear!!!
And you're missing something. Your child by taking speech therapy (and going private and adding extra speech) had to be TAUGHT to speak. She couldn't just put on her CI and learn spoken English the way a hearing kid can and does! She did later yes, but that is b/c she had a flair for it. Not every oral kid has that flair. It's great that she does....and she prolly has a pretty high verbal IQ right?
When a deaf child begins intensive ASL therapy its called "language immersion" but when the deaf child begins post-ci oral therapy its labeled "hyper intense instruction" One has a positive connotation the other a negative one.
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Sigh....you just don't get it do you? An implanted kid who receives oral therapy isn't automaticly getting hyper intense therapy. It's exactly like how a kid in a wheelchair could use a wheelchair, but still get PT to develop walking skills, as an option. A dhh kid who is getting hyperintense therapy would be a kid whose entire toolbox (and not by choice. Meaning they were exposed to both ASL and speech, and chose speech only ) consists of only oral tools in the toolbox. Basicly oral only makes the kid have an eternal speech therapy session. Not nessarily articualtion therapy...but still only have spoken English. They can do it yes.(to varying degrees) ....but it does take a HELL of a lot of energy. It's like they way my quebecois friends can speak English (and quite well too) but it is a lot easier for them to speak French.

BTW ever going to provide those sources to back up your unsubstantiated claims about ci kids?
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What "unsubstationed claims? The ones about poor kids? That is an observational theory. You have to ask that and you had to supplement your daughter's speech therapy??!?! In case you haven't noticed, even middle class people are struggling with the cost of high health care. It's a HELL of a lot easier for middle class or professional people to move to areas where there's good oral programs/schools, and to have access to decent health insurances and to supplement and take time off for therapies and basicly really be involved. Not that poor families can't be involved.....but it's certainly a lot harder for a family where the mom works cleaning houses to afford good health insurance or to move near a school for the deaf or whatever.
 
deafgal001 said:
I never was hearing. Are you implying that you could not hear anything with your hearing aids before you got your implant? If I understood her daughter had more hearing than me and you (her daughter had moderate hearing loss at least in one ear). So yes I think she hearing from her aids but could not sense out of it until she had her implant
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I had some hearing with the hearing aids, however it was mostly just in an amplified sense. I've also had better speech discrimination since I got the CI though.
 
A CI can generate electrical interference and cause an explosion at a gas station. Be careful when you fill up!
 
Isn't the "natural language of the child" what the parents use and teach?
As for Cochlear Implants exploding in gas stations-any recent occurrence? Does Google know?

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07
 
drphil said:
Isn't the "natural language of the child" what the parents use and teach?
As for Cochlear Implants exploding in gas stations-any recent occurrence? Does Google know?

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07
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Spoken language is at best only partially accessible for the deaf. Visual language is 100% accessiable to the deaf hence why the majority would prefer ASL or other signed languages.

I've never heard of CIs exploding in gas stations but there are risks with CIs and one would do well to be aware of risks before implanting them in yourself or your kids.
 
drphil said:
As for Cochlear Implants exploding in gas stations-any recent occurrence? Does Google know?

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07
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You are so silly. Didn't you know that audiologists and CI companies pay the media and cops to keep their mouths shut? It's all about $$$$$$. They make 6 billion dollars a year!
 
shel90 said:
Has anyone met a deaf person who is an ASL and spoken English user who supports the idea of not letting deaf children having exposure to ASL or the Deaf community?

The only deaf people I have met who supports that idea are the ones who never learned ASL or never went to a Deaf community event.
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This is my experience as well. That is why I always say those that say ASL is not necessary are those that have no comparison base because they have never used it.
 
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