Lies about CI's

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rockdrummer said:
uhm... are you thinking of breast implant? :hmm:
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You are really confusing me... I can't tell if you are joking or don't believe implants have some silcone in it? (ahhh, I see, she did not use Cochlear before the implant so you are joking.... some mind you have)

The reason I don't know about the external piece because the covering of the wiring for the headpiece to my processor seem very flexible so I am not sure if it is latex or not.
 
deafgal001 said:
You are really confusing me... I can't tell if you are joking or don't believe implants have some silcone in it? (ahhh, I see, she did not use Cochlear before the implant so you are joking.... some mind you have)

The reason I don't know about the external piece because the covering of the wiring for the headpiece to my processor seem very flexible so I am not sure if it is latex or not.
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Usually you will find me joking around. It's my nature and afterall this thread is about lies and CI's so you can be most of what I say here will be a lie.
 
liar's paradox :)

I think the internal component of an implant consists of the following materials: ceramic, platinum wire, coil, & pins, titanium shells, silicone insulation & silicone rubber, magnet.
 
shel90 said:
Has anyone met a deaf person who is an ASL and spoken English user who supports the idea of not letting deaf children having exposure to ASL or the Deaf community?

The only deaf people I have met who supports that idea are the ones who never learned ASL or never went to a Deaf community event.
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Yes. I know a Teacher of the Deaf who knows and uses ASL and works at an oral school and advocates for spoken language for deaf children.
 
jillio said:
Children with CI don't pick up spoken language incidentally and peripherally. That is why all the follow up therapies are necessary.:roll:
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Not true. My daughter has picked up words and phrases from over hearing when I am on the phone, from other kids and even from the TV.
 
Mountain Man said:
I agree. But I also know that even with therapy, my son may never learn to produce speech. A lot of it is based on natural ability, and just as not all hearing people can become skilled singers, not all deaf people can become skilled speakers. That's why, at the moment, I'm choosing to prioritize the language that I know for a fact he has full and unrestricted access to, but we're not ignoring spoken language.
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I disagree, from personal experience. My daughter was labeled as one of those kids who "can't" understand and use spoken language. When she had hearing aids, she couldn't. She had, literally, zero speech understand and maybe, a two dozen spoken words that she could use (and maybe 3 that were understandable to strangers). After her CI, we continued using the same therapist (and for almost a year, the same educational placement) and she gained 2 years worth of spoken language in 9 months. The only thing that changed was her access to sound.
 
faire_jour said:
Not true. My daughter has picked up words and phrases from over hearing when I am on the phone, from other kids and even from the TV.
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Just to let you know, This also false to assumed that many oral severe-profound deaf with hearing aids can't pick up words in their surrounding either. otherwise I wouldn't know how to pronounce "SheRa" or "Gargamel" in Smurf.

It's complicated to explain.
 
faire_jour said:
I disagree, from personal experience.
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You can disagree all you want, but many others have had different experiences. Not every child is guaranteed to have the same success with CI as your daughter. This is inarguable. And that's really what it comes down to as far as I'm concerned: too many risks and not enough guarantees, especially for something that is, essentially, unnecessary.
 
deafgal001 said:
Just to let you know, This also false to assumed that many oral severe-profound deaf with hearing aids can't pick up words in their surrounding either. otherwise I wouldn't know how to pronounce "SheRa" or "Gargamel" in Smurf.

It's complicated to explain.
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True. Especially nowdays with the state-of-art digital hearing aids designed for persons who are profoundly deaf.
 
Mountain Man said:
You can disagree all you want, but many others have had different experiences. Not every child is guaranteed to have the same success with CI as your daughter. This is inarguable. And that's really what it comes down to as far as I'm concerned: too many risks and not enough guarantees, especially for something that is, essentially, unnecessary.
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So how do you explain that my child was labeled as one of those kids, and then, suddenly, she could. Nothing in her changed, she had the same brain, the same "talents", but suddenly she gained spoken language extremely quickly. She was seeing the same therapists, even the same school. The only thing that changed was the device. How can we say "Some kids can, some can't" when clearly, sometimes it is not the child, but the device?
 
I guess it is the same as my son when he started out ABC's to reading "CAT"

Kids grow. And Some things just click..

-like the time I was reading Sunday newspaper comic. before I would just look at pictures and I remember vividly that one day i started to look at the words and was reading by myself. I was so amazed by it and been reading independently by myself since. That's when it just click.
 
I didn't learn how to speak clearly until I was almost 10. It was literally overnight. One day I was making words here and there, and the next day I started talking as if I had been doing it my whole life. A light bulb moment.

Sometimes, therapy is there but it takes time for a child to truly "click" what is being presented. And the CI certainly is a factor, no doubt. With the CI and therapy combined, your daughter has tools right in front of her. And for whatever reason, she was able to have her light bulb moment. Which is amazing!!! And great!!!

The thing is, not many kids have this moment, regardless of how hard they work or how long they have had their tools. It doesn't click. And for me, as an educator, it bothers me. I've seen parents like you who have poured their whole soul into helping their child become successful...only for the child to become more and more delayed.

Where do we draw the line? How do we know?
 
I didn't see your post while I was typing (to deafgal001) but it's funny how we both said "click." Yep.
 
deafgal001 said:
I guess it is the same as my son when he started out ABC's to reading "CAT"

Kids grow. Some things just click..

(like the time I was reading Sunday newspaper comic. before I would just look at pictures and I remember vividly that one day i started to look at the words and was reading by myself. I was so amazed by it and been reading independently by myself since. That's when it just click)
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For my daughter it was the CI. She went from understand zero in the booth to testing at 96%, in less than a year. How can that be anything other than the device?
 
Please clarify for me...are you saying, once your daughter was implanted, there was no therapy or intervention whatsoever between the time she was implanted to the time she was tested?

96% in what? speech recognition? auditory recognition?
 
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