Legal Showdown - Arizona's Immigration Law

[kokonut]

And sealed effectively, too.

 

[TXgolfer]

We could use current illegal immigrant as leverage as well. Mexico does not want them back. We could offer to keep those that are here on a limited citizenship and give Mexico aid in fighting their drug war......but in exchange we move the border 1 mile south and we agree to allow Mexican labor help with the construction of our border protection. Allows us to keep the Rio Grande as a nice outdoors site while still building a secure border for the future.....Also makes tunneling more difficult. Moving military bases....especially air bases....to the border would help as well.

 

[Jiro]

Be interesting to see what happened if they tried......

Instead of calling ICE they should just bus them to the border.

then I guess we should go ahead and rip the Constitution. Forget about "United States of America". It'll be Separate States of America.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Sorry it doesn't work that way. I did do background on ALL employees. It was required by my insurance. Unless the numbers they stole were from a criminal OR the identity theft was reported, the background check comes back clean. I did check references but those are pretty easy to fake as well. I even checked credit.....but again in most cases the ID is stolen so a credit history will show up.

Anything more than that an employer can be sued. And I have been sued.

If the federal government would just do it's job and secure the border this wouldn't be a problem.

AZ may be making a mistake. But atleast they are trying to protect their residents. That is more than we can say for the federal government

If you had such problems with fraudulent IDs, how can anyone expect the average LEOs to be able to check their backgrounds without contacting another agency?

 

[Jiro]

I have never laughed harder. Robotic bees were part of the stimulus pkg.....lol. I never said land mines. I wouldn't oppose them though. Good deterrent. I also support a canal of razor wire which has been mentioned. The border needs to be sealed

actually - as part of stimulus package - it went to NSF (National Science Foundation). NSF awarded $10 million to Harvard University for robotic bee project. The federal government has no say in what NSF can do with its fund.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Everytime I hear "landmines." I think about all those still-active ammunitions left behind in France after WW1 and WW2-- for farmers to stumble across.... 70 years later and be blown up.

Hell... why does it invokes thoughts of Cambodia?

 

[Jiro]

We could use current illegal immigrant as leverage as well. Mexico does not want them back. We could offer to keep those that are here on a limited citizenship and give Mexico aid in fighting their drug war......but in exchange we move the border 1 mile south and we agree to allow Mexican labor help with the construction of our border protection. Allows us to keep the Rio Grande as a nice outdoors site while still building a secure border for the future.....Also makes tunneling more difficult. Moving military bases....especially air bases....to the border would help as well.

that's what Bush tried to do..... It's called "Pathway to Citizenship". the Republican Party violently shot it down. Obama's doing same thing and yet.... koko and steinhauser don't support it because Obama's granting them an amnesty.

 

[TXgolfer]

If you had such problems with fraudulent IDs, how can anyone expect the average LEOs to be able to check their backgrounds without contacting another agency?

That would no doubt be difficult in some cases. But assuming most states have the magnetic strip on the back of IDs fakes would be easy to catch. They can forge an ID that looks real but from what I hear the info in that strip can't be duplicated. Dunno though, I am not a techie.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

That would no doubt be difficult in some cases. But assuming most states have the magnetic strip on the back of IDs fakes would be easy to catch. They can forge an ID that looks real but from what I hear the info in that strip can't be duplicated. Dunno though, I am not a techie.

Good thing you admitted you're not a techie. If someone can steal your credit card's information and transplant the information onto magnetic strip of a blank credit card by running it through a fake Interac machine, they can do the same here.

 

[Jiro]

That would no doubt be difficult in some cases. But assuming most states have the magnetic strip on the back of IDs fakes would be easy to catch. They can forge an ID that looks real but from what I hear the info in that strip can't be duplicated. Dunno though, I am not a techie.

Good thing you admitted you're not a techie. If someone can steal your credit card's information and transplant the information onto magnetic strip of a blank credit card by running it through a fake Interac machine, they can do the same here.

still gonna demand federal government to do something about it too? well guess what? they already did. It's called the Real ID Act. majority of states did not like it so Real ID Act failed.

 

[TXgolfer]

that's what Bush tried to do..... It's called "Pathway to Citizenship". the Republican Party violently shot it down. Obama's doing same thing and yet.... koko and steinhauser don't support it because Obama's granting them an amnesty.

We can't deport all 12 million. I like the idea of a limited citizenship with a higher tax rate for those individuals no matter what tax bracket they are in. No possibility to vote,own a firearm or collect SS/SSI/SSDI or Medicare..... EVER. That is only for ILLEGAL immigrants of course. That would be the price for entering through the backdoor. Add to that automatic deportation for commiting a crime,failing to carry insurance or failing to pay taxes. And a serious penalty for not registering for the limited citizenship by a set deadline.

Something along these lines seems fair.

 

[Jiro]

We can't deport all 12 million. I like the idea of a limited citizenship with a higher tax rate for those individuals no matter what tax bracket they are in. No possibility to vote,own a firearm or collect SS/SSI/SSDI or Medicare..... EVER. That is only for ILLEGAL immigrants of course. That would be the price for entering through the backdoor. Add to that automatic deportation for commiting a crime,failing to carry insurance or failing to pay taxes. And a serious penalty for not registering for the limited citizenship by a set deadline.

Something along these lines seems fair.

eh... how about something simpler - a work visa.

 

[TXgolfer]

Good thing you admitted you're not a techie. If someone can steal your credit card's information and transplant the information onto magnetic strip of a blank credit card by running it through a fake Interac machine, they can do the same here.

Hmm....dunno. Would be interesting to see if they could fool the LE machine since the information is so different. For instance I know fingerprint info can be retrieved from databases in Texas and Oregon in a matter of seconds.

 

[TXgolfer]

eh... how about something simpler - a work visa.

They are here illegally, there has to be a price to pay. Work visa for nice fee and an extra tax. That could work perhaps. There has to be compensation for breaking our laws and taking a job.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

I thought only convicts need their fingerprints in the database?

That and people who has legally changed their names.

 

[TXgolfer]

In Texas you give both thumb prints when you get your DL.

 

[Jiro]

And it took a person with business experience to explain all this, too. Thanks TXgolfer. This is exactly what my aunt and her husband do each year when they hire cherry pickers on their farm in Oregon. There is so much can do (or cannot do). It is a bit of travesty there. And hasn't worked much to its potential.

How's your head now?

And sealed effectively, too.

tried and failed. billions of dollars gone to waste. billions dollars more were pumped and the illegal crossings are still coming. It's like trying to stop the waterfall.

let's take a look at real world example. Lot of music albums CD was selling for what? $20-50+? Nobody ain't going to pay that much just to listen to couple of favorite songs.

Result? low profit for music industry and a high rate of piracy

Solution? iTunes

Reason? 99 cents per song. Apple made $570 million profit from iTunes in 2007.

 

[TXgolfer]

Or at least you did when I was 16.....lol.....Will check to see if they still do that

 

[TXgolfer]

Still required

Texas Department of Public Safety - Thumbprint Capture for Driver Licenses and Identification Cards

 

[Jiro]

They are here illegally, there has to be a price to pay. Work visa for nice fee and an extra tax. That could work perhaps. There has to be compensation for breaking our laws and taking a job.

right. but why "limited citizenship"? What's the difference with work visa? We already have process and law for work visa. There are several Temporary Worker visa. More information can be found here - Temporary Workers