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That question only makes sense to people who belive free will exists. I can see it exist at a level, but not necessary when it comes to sinning. My experience, is that sinners often would choose otherwise if they truly had the choice, though the story how sin came into existence, as told in Genesis, is interesting.

I belive most sins as we know them, truly are harmful, but the term is also used to control people and their behavior. One example of this, is when modern people use it to keep an oppresive marriage between a man and woman intact. There is too much domestic violence around to make me belive in monogamy as the best solution, though I know people can thrive in it.
Monogamy is not the cause of domestic violence. Domestic violence happens in all kinds of relationships, not just between married couples.

I don't know how you mean sin is used to keep oppressive marriages together. The Bible teaches that oppression in a marriage is wrong. It certainly doesn't teach or encourage oppression. Oppressive behavior is sinful behavior.
 
Agreed. I do believe that if a woman (or a man, though that is much more rare) fears for her safety or for that of her children, she needs to get out of the relationship, as safely as possible, and not worry that it is a "sin" to desert her abusive husband. Some women do stay in horrible relationships for too long because they believe marriage is so sacred that it would be a sin to leave.

Personally I believe that's a perversion of the idea of faithfulness. If someone makes you live in fear, that someone has already broken the marriage contract.
 
Agreed. I do believe that if a woman (or a man, though that is much more rare) fears for her safety or for that of her children, she needs to get out of the relationship, as safely as possible, and not worry that it is a "sin" to desert her abusive husband. Some women do stay in horrible relationships for too long because they believe marriage is so sacred that it would be a sin to leave.

Personally I believe that's a perversion of the idea of faithfulness. If someone makes you live in fear, that someone has already broken the marriage contract.

I think women are more likely to speak out about marital issues than men are inclined to. It's really hard to speak out about relationship issues when the dudes have low opinion of one's inability to handle a situation, and oftentimes males will only confide in one woman in their life. So that's why the suicide rate among males is so high, they don't have an outlet other than their wife or girlfriend.

So, yes, women are more likely to stay quiet about their problems; but men are more likely to commit suicide. Same problems, different manifestions.
 
Could be; that's an interesting point.

Monogamy, in and of itself, could be a very pleasant friendship, a life-long passionate love affair, or hell on earth. People who have been through the hell on earth side of it have a hard time appreciating that it could be very different, given a different partner and different abilities to cope with whatever challenges come up.
 
Could be; that's an interesting point.

Yes, I followed up on it because I found a study that says even though women are stereotypically suppose to be more emotional; men are actually more emotional than women are, but they vent it differently since society expects them to repress their feelings. After finding that study, one thing led to another because I wanted to know why in my family women are more inclined to leave their spouses, yet the men takes a differently different approach to resolving breaking off a relationship.
 
How is monogamy bad for women and children?
In a polygamy, more people and relatives would be involved in the family, so not that easy to hide domestic violence as in smaller families. Also, children gets more grown ups as role models in a polygamy, making the whole situation less fragile for children.
 
Monogamy is not the cause of domestic violence. Domestic violence happens in all kinds of relationships, not just between married couples.

I don't know how you mean sin is used to keep oppressive marriages together. The Bible teaches that oppression in a marriage is wrong. It certainly doesn't teach or encourage oppression. Oppressive behavior is sinful behavior.
Sure, monogamy isn't the cause of domestic violence.

Sin is used to reject the idea of polygamy and persuade people into a monogamy. You can label something sinful, even if it's not according to a christian person or a secular person.

I have no experience with polygamy, nor do I seek it, just questioning the paradox in rejecting monogamy because it's wrong, but allowing gay marriage, because it's right. Know some gays/lez people that reject the whole concept with gay marriage, because the marriage is oppressive. I know the arguments from christians here, but I miss secular arguments.
 
I think women are more likely to speak out about marital issues than men are inclined to. It's really hard to speak out about relationship issues when the dudes have low opinion of one's inability to handle a situation, and oftentimes males will only confide in one woman in their life. So that's why the suicide rate among males is so high, they don't have an outlet other than their wife or girlfriend.

So, yes, women are more likely to stay quiet about their problems; but men are more likely to commit suicide. Same problems, different manifestions.
I suspect those males who commit suicide never learned to speak about their feelings? A problem created by the society, and less genes? The idea is that the better one know oneself, the less you are depedent on other people.

Ok, just specluating, and not familar with this.
 
I suspect those males who commit suicide never learned to speak about their feelings? A problem created by the society, and less genes? The idea is that the better one know oneself, the less you are depedent on other people.

Ok, just specluating, and not familar with this.

Heh, I think it has to do more with gender roles rather than genes.
 
Agreed. I do believe that if a woman (or a man, though that is much more rare) fears for her safety or for that of her children, she needs to get out of the relationship, as safely as possible, and not worry that it is a "sin" to desert her abusive husband. Some women do stay in horrible relationships for too long because they believe marriage is so sacred that it would be a sin to leave.
It's not a sin to flee a dangerous situation, and that includes a domestic violence marital situation.
 
In a polygamy, more people and relatives would be involved in the family, so not that easy to hide domestic violence as in smaller families. Also, children gets more grown ups as role models in a polygamy, making the whole situation less fragile for children.
So, you're not saying monogamy is bad for women and children but domestic violence is bad for women and children.
 
It's not a sin to flee a dangerous situation, and that includes a domestic violence marital situation.

Is not turning the other cheek to be struck a sin?
 
Sure, monogamy isn't the cause of domestic violence.

Sin is used to reject the idea of polygamy and persuade people into a monogamy. You can label something sinful, even if it's not according to a christian person or a secular person.

I have no experience with polygamy, nor do I seek it, just questioning the paradox in rejecting monogamy because it's wrong, but allowing gay marriage, because it's right. Know some gays/lez people that reject the whole concept with gay marriage, because the marriage is oppressive. I know the arguments from christians here, but I miss secular arguments.
God Himself established the type for marriage since the beginning. He set marriage as a life-long union of one man and one woman.
 
I think life is too short to be consumed by worrying about what others do on their personal lives. Who cares if other people commit "sins"....just enjoy life and worry about our own business. Worrying about gay marriage is silly, IMO
 
Is not turning the other cheek to be struck a sin?
No, it isn't a sin.

The sermon of Matthew 5 relates to the conditions of the Messianic kingdom, which hasn't yet occurred. (Sorry for the condensed answer.)
 
I think life is too short to be consumed by worrying about what others do on their personal lives. Who cares if other people commit "sins"....just enjoy life and worry about our own business. Worrying about gay marriage is silly, IMO


Yet you still worry about it quite a bit. Just in the pro rather than the con. If life is too short to worry about what others are doing why do you post on this topic so much?
 
Yet you still worry about it quite a bit. Just in the pro rather than the con. If life is too short to worry about what others are doing why do you post on this topic so much?

because I hate how people who judge others for what they do in their private lives. Like banning same sex marriages because it is so sinful. It is stupid.

I was told by a preacher that I was a sinner as a child and ever since then, I hated any religion that judges others for not following their beliefs.
 
because I hate how people who judge others for what they do in their private lives. Like banning same sex marriages because it is so sinful. It is stupid.

I was told by a preacher that I was a sinner as a child and ever since then, I hated any religion that judges others for not following their beliefs.


And you are entitled to your opinion. Merely pointing out that your "life is too short....." comment really doesn't fit your actions
 
...I was told by a preacher that I was a sinner as a child and ever since then, I hated any religion that judges others for not following their beliefs.
The bad news is, we are all sinners, each and everyone of us. The good news is, we don't have to let sin get the victory. :)

I'm sorry that the preacher left you with only the bad news part. :(
 
And you are entitled to your opinion. Merely pointing out that your "life is too short....." comment really doesn't fit your actions

Because I feel bad for gay poepple who are unable to marry because of religious people who are putting up barriers to their rights to marry. In this thread, I am showing my support for them. It is just sick that people judge others and want to control how they should live their lives because of their own freaking religion? Like someone said...nobody is forcing THEM to marry people of the same sex so they should keep their noses where they belong which is their own personal private lives.

I was so sick of religious people banging on my mom's door and telling her she was living in sin when her ex boyfriend lived with us. Granted, he wasnt a good man but that was my mom's business not theirs.
 
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