"Judge not, that ye be not judge"

Well what if I ain't Christian? Does that mean Muslims and Jewish people can judge you?
 
Miss*Pinocchio said:
Well what if I ain't Christian? Does that mean Muslims and Jewish people can judge you?
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We are not here to talking about kind of reglious what we have but "Judge not, that ye be not judged. Please go back Cheri´s first thread and re-read. She ask you simple question why we judge.. . This is a simple... Why you still talking about bible, which reglious etc. ?
 
stop judging others, that you may not be judged. for as you judge, so will you be judged,and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you. why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beem in your own eye? you hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first;then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brothers eye
 
deafdyke said:
:applause: to DreamDeaf!!!!!!
It's ONLY God that can judge! Only GOD!!!! After having been involved in a healthy same sex romantic relationship, I don't think that God would condemn us.....He sees the quality of our love.....and I do think that when I get Up There He will say that my love for Maureen was OK.....I think He would however condemn a hetrosexual relationship where the love was not pure....like the man was all "Gods Will is for a Woman to Submit to a Man" to the extreme....and used that "authority" to beat on his wife or whatever......I've heard of abuses like that happening in some evalingacal and fundy churches.......
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I'm sorry, I'm not following your logic.
Just because you know of someone who claims to be a fundamentalist Christian but beats his wife, that some how justifies homosexuality.
You think that God should ignore your sin because YOU think it is "healthy". Did it occur to you that the man beating his wife thinks his relationship is "healthy" too? Why do you think God should "condemn a hetrosexual relationship" but not judge a homosexual relationship?

Oh, I see. Judging heterosexuals is OK; judging homosexuals is not OK.

Interesting logic.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
...Remember that God and Jesus love us no matter what we did sin... because they know we beleive them. Yes, they forgive us for our sin and accept us up to heaven when we dies, no matter what we are guilty of our sin or not. Remember that we are not prefect...
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Yes, God loved us miserable sinners so much that He sacrificied His one and only begotten sinless Son for us. Each and every person who confesses his/her sin and repents of that sin, and trusts Jesus for salvation, will not be refused. To confess sin means to agree with Jesus that the behavior is sin. To repent means not just feeling sorry for doing the sin BUT also hating the sin, AND strongly not wanting to do that sin ever again. Then Jesus can forgive that sin, and the Holy Spirit can help the person overcome that sin.

But if a person says, "my behavior/action/thought is NOT sin, I am OK," then that is rebellion against God. A person needs to hate sin the same as God hates sin. Then God can forgive that sin.
 
You're homophobic b/c you're sick of women hitting on you?!?!?!?! Oh lord......Just say you're not interested! As of your disapproval of GLB sexual practices....ALOT of hetro folks do stuff that's beyond vanilla sex or missionary position sex! It's not sex in an Iron Maiden or coprophagia or cannibal sex or snuff film sex or pedophillia or whatever!
How can that be love, if that is love, then I might as well
fall in love with a wall which is hard to make love to.
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Well it's what feels good to us. That's simply how we make love.......were you aware that there is a woman online who has a website all about the fact that she is in love with the Berlin Wall?
I rather be with someone who I can fit sexually with...
and love.
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That's YOU! The people involved in homosexual relationships feel like they don't fit sexually with the opposite sex......I remmy talking to my friend Joce, and she said that she couldn't imagine what it was like to be with a guy...and she's done it before.....It's ironic....we GLBers don't go after hetro sex calling it nasty and gross and all that......
Abortion, if you have a daughter, would you tell her to abort her
child? and say it is okay to do that?
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Sometimes abortion is a nessary evil......I would try to support her as much as possible...I'd discuss it...make sure she knows that I would be willing to help her....If it was a medically related abortion, I'd make sure that it was absolutly needed....and did you know that abortion isn't always about killing a fetus? According to the Alan Guttmacher Society, a little over six percent of abortions are performed for the health of the mother or due to prenatally dx conditions. I do think that counseling in those cases can and should be better then they are....a lot of times people get told that babies with anacephaly are always born dead....not so....and that kids with Downs syndrome are always profoundly or severely retarded...not to mention the other syndromes that are very poorly documented. My syndrome is written up as "best case scenerio" being severe MR, and worst case "persistant vegetaive state"....yet I am doing well and am almost a college graduate!
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Cookie Monster said:
...For once I realised people do judge themselves and it isn't necessary to do so.
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Very true. Sometimes we are our own worst judges. We can be harsher and stricter to ourselves than any other people.
 
IcedTeaRulz said:
MATTHEW 7:1-5:

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull the mote out of thine eye; and behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother's eye."
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Thank you for the verse.

"...Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother's eye."
As the verse shows, Jesus did not say that we are not to judge at all. He said that we must judge ourselves first, repent our sins, and THEN we can judge other brothers' (fellow Christians) sins. He is showing the sequence. Judge self first, clean up self, then judge others.

In other words, make sure that your own Christian life and heart is pure before criticizing another Christian's behavior.
 
Reba said:
Thank you for the verse.

"...Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother's eye."
As the verse shows, Jesus did not say that we are not to judge at all. He said that we must judge ourselves first, repent our sins, and THEN we can judge other brothers' (fellow Christians) sins. He is showing the sequence. Judge self first, clean up self, then judge others.

In other words, make sure that your own Christian life and heart is pure before criticizing another Christian's behavior.
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Exactly.
 
Magatsu said:
If Jesus did that, I bet you a million dollar that they'd crucify Jesus within milliseconds.
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Wake up, Magatsu! That's already been done, dear! :mrgreen:

GOTCHA! :fruit:
 
No they would not crucify Jesus for that. He was crucified because
he said he was the son of God. And they wanted proof.
And Jesus little miracle of healing didn't save him though...



But anyway, John the Baptist judged the King for incesting,
that is why he was beheaded.

How come John the Baptist, Jesus's cousin can judged, but
we can't?
 
Just because you know of someone who claims to be a fundamentalist Christian but beats his wife, that some how justifies homosexuality.
You think that God should ignore your sin because YOU think it is "healthy". Did it occur to you that the man beating his wife thinks his relationship is "healthy" too? Why do you think God should "condemn a hetrosexual relationship" but not judge a homosexual relationship?

Oh, I see. Judging heterosexuals is OK; judging homosexuals is not OK.
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That was a RHTORICAL sitution.......I DON"T view my love for Maureen, Gale etc as a "sin" .....I'm saying that if my intimiante relationship with a female is as healthy as a healthy hetrosexual relationship (ie the love is based on the couple being best friends) then God probaly won't give a shit. He sees our souls....NOT the fact that my beloved and I have the same bits down south.. I mean does the Bible say that the soul has a gender? Didn't think so! ...and if our relationship is just as healthy as a healthy hetrosexual relationship, then God should have no issues with that!
 
Oh, and Jesus said " Let he who is without sin, be the first to cast a stone"
so in the context of that, I think that he was saying not to be all high and mighty and hypocritcal....Yeah you can help a person become a better person......but you should not judge!
 
deafdyke said:
....I DON"T view my love for Maureen, Gale etc as a "sin"....
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It doesn't really matter how you view it or how I view it; the important thing is how God views it.

Proverbs 12:15
The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
 
if you can lie, we can judge
if you can steal, we can judge
if you can have abortion, we can judge...

so don't tell us what to do if we can't tell ya what to do.
 
Sin in the flesh

Christ as the sacrifice for sin suffers for everyone who is in the flesh. But what about the power of sin which fills the fleshly? "He condemned sin in the flesh." He who is sinless is made sin for us, so that He dies for sin. He is "Put to death in the flesh" (I Peter 3.18). When He dies in the flesh, He takes to the cross the sin in the flesh. This is what is meant by the phrase "condemned sin in the flesh." To condemn is to judge or to mete out punishment. The judgment and punishment of sin is death. Thus the Lord Jesus actually put sin to death in His flesh. We therefore can see in His death that not only our sins are judged but sin itself is even judged. Henceforth sin has no power upon those who are joined to the Lord's death and who accordingly have sin condemned in their flesh.
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Judging isn't a sin. Are we going to hell for that?
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Actually, Miss P. it is. "Judge not, lest ye be judged". We are not the judges, God is. It is, however, our duty to spread the gospel and those who decide not to follow after hearing God's word, that is on them. You have spoken, it is well known your position on the matter, and now it is to the point where we need to back off and let God sort the rest. All sins are equal in the eyes of the Lord, therefore it doesn't matter whether it is someone else's choice to continue with a homosexual life style or your choice to judge him/her for it. They are both sins.
 
(This is Chris) Sin is made of our flesh, remember our Sunday school taught us about Adam and Eve, God turned them into flesh as they were punished for not obey God for not eat the forbidden fruit. We are sin no matter how holy are we. Pope is sin, and everyone because we are made of flesh. You can't be judge by sexual orientation, ethinic, race, and religion, only judge by the sin. You see why Jesus Christ took sacrifice for us to wash our sins.
 
but that is natural... everybody judge each other...
even we judge the film, critics...
we critics the food...
we critics emmy award guests' hair and clothes...

I haven't throw stone physically at anybody....

I just think I have the right to say whatever is on my mind....
why I have to hush?

Just like when my Aunt was telling my Aunt about Atheism issue,,
my Aunt got up and leave, because she doesn't wanna hear about it...

Just like everybody else, if you don't wanna listen to somebody
opinion, then just ignore...

Why can't you just ignore?

If I said, Homosexual is wrong, then those are just words...
why can't yall ignore me, instead of critizing me on how
I judge you... that is such a waste of time.

Anyway... this is a nice debating thread.
I guess I ignore this thread.
 
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