"Judge not, that ye be not judge"

[jazzy]

Cheri, they are afraid. They need to use God's word to hurt them.

 

[Cheri]

10 Commandments: Have you ever ignored this commands?

1.) "You Shall have no other gods before me"
2.) "You shall not make for yourself any graven image"
3.) "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain"
4.) "Remember the Sabbath Day, Keep it holy"
5.) "Honor your father and your mother"
6.) "You shall not murder"
7.) "You shall not commit adultery"
8.) "You shall not steal"
9.) "You shall not bear false witness"
10.) "You shall not covet"

Everyone of us are guilty of something. But, does that give us any right to pass judgements to others?

Thank-you.

 

[Maria]

It's not the scripture/verses and passages from the bible that I am discussing about here, I talking about their own wording as judging others and passing judgment.

10 Commandments: Have you ever ignored this commands?

1.) "You Shall have no other gods before me"
2.) "You shall not make for yourself any graven image"
3.) "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain"
4.) "Remember the Sabbath Day, Keep it holy"
5.) "Honor your father and your mother"
6.) "You shall not murder"
7.) "You shall not commit adultery"
8.) "You shall not steal"
9.) "You shall not bear false witness"
10.) "You shall not covet"

And, yet you are still usin' these scriptures/verses here.

 

[Vance]

According to my good Swede friend, Erik, every time they are lecturing how such terrible sinners we are, they committed a serious sin beforehand in order to lecture/preach at us to 'save' their souls. I think he is much closer to the truth than he realized.

Cheri, excellent topic but I think it gets nowhere. Unlike many of us, they only see in white and black. That alone represent a bigger problem in any societies.

I'm actually very curious why many fundamentalist Christians speak out mostly against homosexuality over most other sins. It seems like some are just so dead set against homosexuality more than anything.

Only God knows. For a few years, I couldn't figure out why they ignored the fundamentally important elements (example: conserve God's creation a.k.a. environment & nature) and yet they are whining about someone else's lifestyle. Apparently it is much more important for them to destroy someone else's happiness than stop corporations from polluting God's creation a.k.a. nature which it affects millions and millions in bad way more than anything else on this earth.

Go figure indeed.

Once again, Cheri, excellent topic.

 

[Reba]

I think there might be a misconception here that disagreeing is the same as judging. Just because someone does not condone a certain behavior, does not mean they are necessarily judging others for that behavior. Yes, there are some who judge, but I don't think that is always the case.

Agreed!

 

[Cheri]

And, yet you are still usin' these scriptures/verses here.

Yet, You are still misunderstanding me, Let's go back, First when you posted, You said,

Well, in my own opinion - I don't believe in silencin' Jesus.

It has nothing to do with sharing scripture/verses and passages from the bible that I am discussing about here as being part of passing judgment, I am really talking about members who posted their own wording as another word opinions as passing judgment. (as I already quoted some posts as examples.)

 

[Reba]

...
Only God knows. For a few years, I couldn't figure out why they ignored the fundamentally important elements (example: conserve God's creation a.k.a. environment & nature) and yet they are whining about someone else's lifestyle. Apparently it is much more important for them to destroy someone else's happiness than stop corporations from polluting God's creation a.k.a. nature which it affects millions and millions in bad way more than anything else on this earth.

Christians can preach against sins of sexual immorality and still support clean environment and nature. The two are not mutually exclusive. Christians can preach the Gospel AND speak out against pollution. Do you think non-Christians are the only people who enjoy clean air and water, the great outdoors, birds and animals?

Careful Magatsu; someone might accuse you of "judging".

 

[Reba]

...I'm actually very curious why many fundamentalist Christians speak out mostly against homosexuality over most other sins. It seems like some are just so dead set against homosexuality more than anything.

Maybe it is because there is much social and political "movement" now by homosexual organizations. I have never heard a preacher preach "against" homosexual individuals. I have heard them preach against homosexual behavior, and homosexual influence in schools, government, and society.

 

[deafdyke]

I have heard them preach against homosexual behavior, and homosexual influence in schools, government, and society.

What is homosexual behavoir? We're not sex offenders.....THAT is actually why I dislike the view that it's a sin.....a loving consentual relationship gets lumped in with rapists, pedophilles, parents who comitt incest, sex addicts, guys who troll for sex in public bathrooms, guys who go to bathhouses or frequent massage parlors...God, compared to Fun with Whips and Chains...there's no real sin (except for orgional sin) in two same sex folks being together!......What's homosexual influence? Are we talking about Tinky Winky and Spongebob Squarepants? :greddy:

 

[Maria]

Cyber Red, there are MANY GLB folks who follow God and know the love of Jesus....my first girlfriend was one of them! I do not follow an organized relgion but, I do follow a lot of Jesus' teachings....I am not an evil person simply b/c of who I happen to be attracted to.

I am not goin' to repeat since you already knew what the scripture says. It's God's Holy Word against abnormal behaviour. Plain and simple.

 

[Reba]

What is homosexual behavoir?

Sex acts between homosexual people.

What's homosexual influence?

Such as influence in the schools by promoting curriculum that presents homosexuality as normal and acceptable.

Such as political influence to pass legislation allowing homosexual "marriage."

Such as influencing society thru popular entertainment to accept homosexuality as a "fun" life style, as in "Will & Grace."

 

[GalaxyAngel]

Im not here judge you rest of all everyones...

Just up to Jesus who can judge you as his judgement.

I can help you as "just recommend you" but not meant Judge you.

 

[Cookie Monster]

I'm so confused about this quote,

Sex acts between homosexual people.

The same sex acts that a couple does in bed are the exact same sex acts only they are two males/females that lays together and loves each other. It is also prohibited in the Bible for sodomy however couples do derive pleasure out of it in their marriage bed.

 

[kuifje75]

Such as influencing society thru popular entertainment to accept homosexuality as a "fun" life style, as in "Will & Grace."

What exactly is a homosexual lifestyle anyway? I don't believe it to be a lifestyle at all. Do the heterosexuals have a lifestyle? What's the difference?

 

[deafdyke]

It's God's Holy Word against abnormal behaviour. Plain and simple.

Cyberred....not all Christian churches agreee on whether or not it's a "sin".....there are TONS of churches debating (both pro and con) whether or not it's a sin.....even some hyper extreme relgious types are debating it....and who knows? Maybe in ten or twenty years, people will look back on "Christian" attitudes towards homoesexuality with HORROR!

 

[apathrev]

Maybe it is because there is much social and political "movement" now by homosexual organizations. I have never heard a preacher preach "against" homosexual individuals. I have heard them preach against homosexual behavior, and homosexual influence in schools, government, and society.

I'm not just specifically referring to preachers, but more of members that post here. I don't think its a secret anymore that this thread is about CrazyManW00t. We've all seen his views on homosexuality and homosexuals. I've witnessed him several times telling homosexuals they're going to hell, and I know I'm not the only one. Look back on his posts.

And no, you cannot sit here and honestly tell me what he says is merely disagreeing with the homosexual lifestyle. Cheri has found only a few of his quotes. And she did not start this thread as a means to bash or demean CMW or anyone else who holds similar views, but simply show that it is not their place to judge.

In each bible verse that mentions homosexuality, that is not the only sin that is mentioned in that verse. I want to know why homosexuality is the specific target. Reba, you refer to it as a movement, but its not a clearly anti-God movement, though there are many GLB's that I'm sure are turned off by religion. Why isn't more attention focussed on say the growing "God Free" atheist movement? I never hear anyone speak out against atheism. Only homosexuality. Anyone remember last century when bi-racial couples were considered unholy and unlawful? I think this is much the same way.

 

[XBGMER]

Maybe in ten or twenty years, people will look back on "Christian" attitudes towards homoesexuality with HORROR!

wait minute... you expect non-christians will look back on "christian"'s attitude issues toward homoesexuality in eventually? No, I am sorry to say you are wrong.. So you can accurse me for my being judgment but i give you some facts.. Goverment leaders will look down on gays are lowest soceity like black society which are limited rights, limited qualify, and limited freedoms... Might be you know that there is most powerful racist in blacks, and foreigns real loathe against gays. they have to chance using the gays [female and males] ought being slave to masters. gays never have freedom nor rights.. in past like thousand years ago, history repeat itself.. it never change itself.. you better even think about view of their mind's thought have something say on gays..

My personal prespctive on veiw of gay, therefore I believe that category of gays are labeled sex offenders and pedophilles period. I don't want to be offer to any gays or anybody for my intend! I just speak out through words come out of my heart view on gay society..

I highly recommend you check it on internet had talk about gays WERE slaves like black slaves did..

 

[Liebling:-)))]

One may disagree, but how he puts it in words can be perceived as being assertive about his opinions or as being judgeful of other.

Example (totally random, not to reflect anyone)
"I do not believe in disciplining my children by spanking."
versus
"You are an abusive mother for spanking your children!!!"

See the difference? People need to remember how to word their words so that they cannot be misconstrued as judgment.

A*M*E*N!!!!!!

Yes, it´s very simple and logically for everyone to see the difference between judgement and disagreement.

It´s judge when you said to me: "You are murder because you abort to kill innoncent baby".

It´s not judge when you said to me: "I can understand your view and respect you but to me, I see the different. I consider abortion as murder"

This is a difference.

Example about my thread:
Is Spanking on the kids abuse?

I judge nobody because they have different opinions than me.
I see no problem to have them to disagree with me because I know the difference. All what I do is respect them and show them links. Of course I agree or disagree with them and show them links. It´s up to them either they beleive what it´s right for them or not.

This is a difference what I saw other thread like abortion, homosexual, bisexual & relgions threads is JUDGEMENT. They already call those people as sinners, .................. because the bible says... blah blah... because the god hate ...... They do what the bible says...........

 

[Liza]

We are our own worst critics, too.

 

[Maria]

Cyberred....not all Christian churches agreee on whether or not it's a "sin".....there are TONS of churches debating (both pro and con) whether or not it's a sin.....even some hyper extreme relgious types are debating it....and who knows? Maybe in ten or twenty years, people will look back on "Christian" attitudes towards homoesexuality with HORROR!

Ok, let me show you the scripture. Here's the scripture :

1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

So, how could homosexuals/lesbians have the same mind of Christ while they still engage in this abnormal behaviour ?

1 Corinthians 1:10 "Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment."