It must get tiring!

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jillio said:
Looks like I am in the minority in more than one way around here! I'm just a sugar eating hearie!:P
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I like sugar it doesn't like me!
 
jillio said:
And you were not accurate in your response. You described the markers, etc. while calling it "Signed English."

SEE I is the only one that stands for Signing Exact English. SEE II stands for Seeing Essential English. Different systems. When someone is asking for information, they need to know that SEE could refer to one of two MCE systems, so it needs to be specified whether it is SEE I or SEE II before one can acurrately state what the letters stand for.:cool2:
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I'm a little confused on SEE II. I assume that's the British version of SEE?
I did say I'm confused! :P
 
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I'm soooo tired from all my awesomeness.
 
deafskeptic said:
I'm a little confused on SEE II. I assume that's the British version of SEE?
I did say I'm confused! :P
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No. SEE II, or Seeing Essential English is still American MCE. It just drops the prefixes and the suffixes, but maintains all of the other features. Sort of like PSE, but not exactly, because it still uses initialized signs, and signs based on the word rather than the concept. Like" butter + fly", intead of "butterfly" or "nose + run" instead of the single sign for nose running (dripping). That is why it is so confusing. It totally takes away the conceptual nature that is necessary for comprehensive processing of a signed language.
 
jillio said:
Actually that would be SEE I and SEE II. Then there is SSE, or sign supported English. No matter...all are MCE's devised by hearing people because they were so certain that they could improve on the Deaf's own language: ASL. Typically audist.
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I did not have one teach ASL when I was a child ,I think my dad would not had allowed me to use ASL , people would think there some wrong with one of his kid.
 
CSign said:
I'm a hypocrite for correcting false and libelous statements about me?

Ok. Whatever you say.
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is it causing you a mental distress that affects your quality of life? occupation?

have you reported the posts to mods?
 
jillio said:
And you were not accurate in your response. You described the markers, etc. while calling it "Signed English."

SEE I is the only one that stands for Signing Exact English. SEE II stands for Seeing Essential English. Different systems. When someone is asking for information, they need to know that SEE could refer to one of two MCE systems, so it needs to be specified whether it is SEE I or SEE II before one can acurrately state what the letters stand for.:cool2:
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Seeing Essential English is a moot point. I doubt that more than maybe a handful of people (if that) even use it anymore.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
I did not have one teach ASL when I was a child ,I think my dad would not had allowed me to use ASL , people would think there some wrong with one of his kid.
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Unfortuantely, a lot of parents are like that. They think having a deaf kid is some sort of a negative statement about the parent. That is just plain silly and self centered.
 
CSign said:
Seeing Essential English is a moot point. I doubt that more than maybe a handful of people (if that) even use it anymore.
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No more than a handful use SEE I, either. What's your point? There are more using SEE II, simply because it is simpler and keeps up with conversational rhythm and flow better than SEE I. Both, however, are ridiculously cumbersome, and they both interfere with the natural processing of visual language in the brain.
 
jillio said:
No. SEE II, or Seeing Essential English is still American MCE. It just drops the prefixes and the suffixes, but maintains all of the other features. Sort of like PSE, but not exactly, because it still uses initialized signs, and signs based on the word rather than the concept. Like" butter + fly", intead of "butterfly" or "nose + run" instead of the single sign for nose running (dripping). That is why it is so confusing. It totally takes away the conceptual nature that is necessary for comprehensive processing of a signed language.
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Oh, I think that SEE II is preferable to SEE - just barely. I have issues with butter + fly or book + moblie (car) etc.. What's wrong with hooking up two thumbs and spreading your fingers? It makes better sense than using the ASL sign for butter and fly. I'm seeing flying butter :P

ASL by far is preferable.
 
Jiro said:
is it causing you a mental distress that affects your quality of life? occupation?

have you reported the posts to mods?
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No, no, and no.

I just won't have "my name" assosciated with such ridiculousness. That's why I address it, and why I encourage anyone who might believe it to actually go back and read what I've written in other threads.
 
CSign said:
No, no, and no.

I just won't have "my name" assosciated with such ridiculousness. That's why I address it, and why I encourage anyone who might believe it to actually go back and read what I've written in other threads.
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I've seen what you've wrote.. So did many other members. I don't see people agreeing with what you've just said.
 
deafskeptic said:
Oh, I think that SEE II is preferable to SEE - just barely. I have issues with butter + fly or book + moblie (car) etc.. What's wrong with hooking up two thumbs and spreading your fingers? It makes better sense than using the ASL sign for butter and fly. I'm seeing flying butter :P

ASL by far is preferable.
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A lot of the signs in SEE are the same as ASL. They were both drawn from the original "signed language" here in the states.

The example you gave about butter+fly is a common misconception. It is actually signed the same way as in ASL with the two thumbs linked together.
 
CSign said:
The question was, "what does SEE stand for?"

Not, "how is SEE referred to?"
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I asked what is stand for so I could look it up on line later. I know it would be hard to explain to me here. Deaf and HOH kids where not caught ASL in my school in the 50's.
 
CSign said:
A lot of the signs in SEE are the same as ASL. They were both drawn from the original "signed language" here in the states.

The example you gave about butter+fly is a common misconception. It is actually signed the same way as in ASL with the two thumbs linked together.
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Are you trying to tell us what all that hoofah is? I tell you what...

I used SEE back when I was a kid, and allow me to tell you something. That wasn't a misconception.

The father of SEE lives right here in this town. I have my discussion with him about SEE/ASL often. He's a cool bloke. Toughheaded though.
 
CSign said:
No, no, and no.

I just won't have "my name" assosciated with such ridiculousness. That's why I address it, and why I encourage anyone who might believe it to actually go back and read what I've written in other threads.
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you don't care about what type of sign languages that parents use with their deaf children but why are you so concerned with what people think of you?

as you have repeatedly posted that your son is doing well and you are using sign language with him. sounds like your job is done and you don't have any deaf-related question for us so what's your goal in here?

are you paid to recruit parents into learning SEE or something?
 
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