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saywhatkid said:
Signed Exact English.
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There is Signed English with about 12 affixes/suffixes. Not really indicative of any complete language.

SEE stands for Signing Exact English which has markers for all the nuances of the English language.

People often confuse them, but there is a difference.
 
Actually that would be SEE I and SEE II. Then there is SSE, or sign supported English. No matter...all are MCE's devised by hearing people because they were so certain that they could improve on the Deaf's own language: ASL. Typically audist.
 
Jiro said:
so why bother replying? I thought you were going to follow an advice from well-respected member?

I'll repost in case you forgot already....
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I'm not going to stand by and allow individuals to post grossly inaccurate and inflammatory remarks about me without addressing it.
 
jillio said:
Actually that would be SEE I and SEE II. Then there is SSE, or sign supported English. No matter...all are MCE's devised by hearing people because they were so certain that they could improve on the Deaf's own language: ASL. Typically audist.
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Why not, we change spoken English to follow ASL syntax and call it SEA?

Speaking Exact ASL.
 
CSign said:
I'm not going to stand by and allow individuals to post grossly inaccurate and inflammatory remarks about me without addressing it.
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then you have basically rendered your own thread useless because you're a hypocrite.
 
jillio said:
Actually that would be SEE I and SEE II. Then there is SSE, or sign supported English. No matter...all are MCE's devised by hearing people because they were so certain that they could improve on the Deaf's own language: ASL. Typically audist.
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Thanks Jillio. Actually, I was fully aware that they are/were referred to as SEE I and SEE II.

That wasn't really the point though.

I was clarifying that SEE refers to Signing Exact English which is distinctly different from Signed Exact English (SEE I).
 
Backpedaling again. If you were aware of it, you should have been specific in your post when information was requested.
 
Jiro said:
then you have basically rendered your own thread useless because you're a hypocrite.
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I'm a hypocrite for correcting false and libelous statements about me?

Ok. Whatever you say.
 
jillio said:
Backpedaling again. If you were aware of it, you should have been specific in your post when information was requested.
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The question was, "what does SEE stand for?"

Not, "how is SEE referred to?"
 
CSign said:
Thanks Jillio. Actually, I was fully aware that they are/were referred to as SEE I and SEE II.

That wasn't really the point though.

I was clarifying that SEE refers to Signing Exact English which is distinctly different from Signed Exact English (SEE I).
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Better go back and check your post. You referred to "Signed English" and "Signing Exact English", not SEE I and SEE II.

We must be accurate.
 
CSign said:
The question was, "what does SEE stand for?"

Not, "how is SEE referred to?"
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And you were not accurate in your response. You described the markers, etc. while calling it "Signed English."

SEE I is the only one that stands for Signing Exact English. SEE II stands for Seeing Essential English. Different systems. When someone is asking for information, they need to know that SEE could refer to one of two MCE systems, so it needs to be specified whether it is SEE I or SEE II before one can acurrately state what the letters stand for.:cool2:
 
jillio said:
Actually that would be SEE I and SEE II. Then there is SSE, or sign supported English. No matter...all are MCE's devised by hearing people because they were so certain that they could improve on the Deaf's own language: ASL. Typically audist.
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Signing Exact English was created as a way to make English accessible, and to assist is DHH students to learn the English language.

Not one of the individuals who participated in the creation of SEE were looking to take ASL away, or to "improve on" the language of the Deaf.
 
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