It it really the deaf/Deaf community?

[deafskeptic]

I am confused by this. Don't people talk to you anyway if you write/draw orders? Like if you wrote hamburger and they make a motion and ask "what size?" and you draw it again. This is more effective than saying "Large hamburger" because they assume that you hear better thus talk to you normally? I'm very confused.

What I did was to draw the burger.. and then indicate the size I wanted in sign language. Ditto for fries and drink. The guys there really could not read my order at all hence why I had to draw a picture of a hamburger.

This was before I got implanted. It's much easier to convince others that I'm deaf if I don't open my mouth. No my handwriting isnt' bad. I write better in print.

If I open my mouth, people are more likely to ignore my request to have them write to me and all kind of misunderstanding will happen as a result.

 

[faire_jour]

But, your daughter has not been implanted yet, has she? And you have stated that she receives no benefit from HA. Are you saying that you are currently using AVT with her, or that you plan to following implantation?

Actually, I never said she received no benefit from her hearing aids. She does get some benefit, but it is decreasing very quickly. 2 years ago she aided to "normal" and could hear all speech sounds and things as quiet as leaves rustling. Today she can hear only vowels sounds and things that are very low frequency or rather loud. Very soon we believe she will be profoundly deaf. We are implanting her now before her auditory system starts to atropy because of lack of stimulation.

 

[jillio]

Actually, I never said she received no benefit from her hearing aids. She does get some benefit, but it is decreasing very quickly. 2 years ago she aided to "normal" and could hear all speech sounds and things as quiet as leaves rustling. Today she can hear only vowels sounds and things that are very low frequency or rather loud. Very soon we believe she will be profoundly deaf. We are implanting her now before her auditory system starts to atropy because of lack of stimulation.

Okay, very little benefit then. My apologies for misquoting. My question would be the same regarding AVT.

 

[faire_jour]

Okay, very little benefit then. My apologies for misquoting. My question would be the same regarding AVT.

We don't currently use the hoop during therapy, with the exception of testing. We do use it during testing so that we know what she is hearing and what she is lipreading.

 

[Defmusicman]

I get where you are going. Leaning toward the new and different technology in an attempt to correct is also an attempt to prevent having to embrace a new and different way of life?

Bingo! I think that in most cases, hearing parents want their deaf children to conform to their world or "way of life" instead of making the effort to adjust their thinking to identify what's best for the child.

 

[shel90]

Bingo! I think that in most cases, hearing parents want their deaf children to conform to their world or "way of life" instead of making the effort to adjust their thinking to identify what's best for the child.

Yeppers!

 

[Daredevel7]

If I open my mouth, people are more likely to ignore my request to have them write to me and all kind of misunderstanding will happen as a result.

OOOH! You want them to write you back. I understand now. Thought you wanted to write to them and they speak (you lipread them). Didn't make sense this way. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Daredevel7]

Bingo! I think that in most cases, hearing parents want their deaf children to conform to their world or "way of life" instead of making the effort to adjust their thinking to identify what's best for the child.

Unfortunately, frequently in the deaf community, implanting their child automatically means that they want their deaf children to conform to their way of life rather than what's best for their child.

I think automatically sending a child to a deaf school without even looking into its quality and settings is not "looking out for the best for their child" but I don't think a lot of people of the deaf community would question this.

Wanna know how a parent knows what he/she is doing the best for his/her child? Ask him/her why those choices. If he/she has a well thought out answer (whether you agree with it or not), then he/she is. Simple as that.

 

[faire_jour]

Unfortunately, frequently in the deaf community, implanting their child automatically means that they want their deaf children to conform to their way of life rather than what's best for their child.

I think automatically sending a child to a deaf school without even looking into its quality and settings is not "looking out for the best for their child" but I don't think a lot of people of the deaf community would question this.

Wanna know how a parent knows what he/she is doing the best for his/her child? Ask him/her why those choices. If he/she has a well thought out answer (whether you agree with it or not), then he/she is. Simple as that.

Exactly. Why is it always said over and over, that a parent who gives their child a CI is trying to make them hearing? Do people accuse Deaf adults who get implants of trying to become hearing themselves??

 

[Buffalo]

Exactly. Why is it always said over and over, that a parent who gives their child a CI is trying to make them hearing? Do people accuse Deaf adults who get implants of trying to become hearing themselves??

That has happened. I haven't seen that in AllDeaf but I have heard of deaf people called some oral person 'Heafie'. That is a slang for a deaf person who acts like a hearing person. See the first letter is 'H' so the person think being hearing is more important than being deaf.

The exact opposite - a hearing person who is very much involved in Deaf World would be called 'Dearie'.

 

[Hear Again]

We don't currently use the hoop during therapy, with the exception of testing. We do use it during testing so that we know what she is hearing and what she is lipreading.

faire_jour,

What do you mean by "the hoop?" Could you explain? Thanks!

 

[Bottesini]

That has happened. I haven't seen that in AllDeaf but I have heard of deaf people called some oral person 'Heafie'. That is a slang for a deaf person who acts like a hearing person. See the first letter is 'H' so the person think being hearing is more important than being deaf.

The exact opposite - a hearing person who is very much involved in Deaf World would be called 'Dearie'.

I would love to explain that the sign "Heafie" is as for "hearing" except done on the forehead instead of the lips. But then people who accuse me of hating the hearing would be confused and start to think I just don't like anybody. Dilemma I guess I better not say anything.

 

[deafskeptic]

OOOH! You want them to write you back. I understand now. Thought you wanted to write to them and they speak (you lipread them). Didn't make sense this way. Thanks for the clarification.

Yeah.. Too bad that wasn't an option for me with these guys as they couldn't read at all.

 

[shel90]

Exactly. Why is it always said over and over, that a parent who gives their child a CI is trying to make them hearing? Do people accuse Deaf adults who get implants of trying to become hearing themselves??

Deafmusican said in most cases...doesnt mean all and in real life, I have personally seen that. I have one student who keeps telling me that she will be "hearing" next year when she gets her CI and that she will go to a public school. When asked the mother about it...it was her words exactly.

Why do u take offense to that if it is a fact out there?

 

[shel90]

Unfortunately, frequently in the deaf community, implanting their child automatically means that they want their deaf children to conform to their way of life rather than what's best for their child.

I think automatically sending a child to a deaf school without even looking into its quality and settings is not "looking out for the best for their child" but I don't think a lot of people of the deaf community would question this.

Wanna know how a parent knows what he/she is doing the best for his/her child? Ask him/her why those choices. If he/she has a well thought out answer (whether you agree with it or not), then he/she is. Simple as that.

In my experience, I have met many parents who have admitted to me that they wanted their children to conform to their way of life so I agree with Deafnmusican with that that there are many cases of parents believing that the CI will make their children hearing. Maybe Deafmusican had the same experiences with the parents too? He could be talking about real life not about the parents on AD.

So do you think sending deaf children to deaf schools is not considered looking out for the best interests of the child? Interesting when many deaf children end up performing better when sent to Deaf schools as a last resort after falling so far behind in the public schools.

 

[Daredevel7]

So do you think sending deaf children to deaf schools is not considered looking out for the best interests of the child? Interesting when many deaf children end up performing better when sent to Deaf schools as a last resort after falling so far behind in the public schools.

So you think ALL deaf schools are thumbs up?

 

[web730]

So you think ALL deaf schools are thumbs up?

Quite a good question, Daredevil!

It's quite difficult to answer your question since we many never experienced at least score of deaf schools ourselves, of course.

But from what I gathered from others at Gally and NTID, we knew that in general there are several great schools while many schools were rather so-so (yet pretty good ones) and several awful-poor schools. (speaking of education only)

I would say it's most approximate that I could answer... probably others would agree the same here?!

But overall (ed, social, sports, etc) deaf schools offer much more than mainstream schools could offer for the deaf.

 

[web730]

Many acknowledged and agreed that those few great deaf schools in the US regions are... listed below:
(overall especially education)

East: Maryland (MSSD, second)

West: Fremont (N. Calif.)

South: Texas

Midwest: Indiana

Southeast: FSDB (Florida)

Kansas, Texas, Wisc., and few others are quite close (maybe inside the top ten).

While for the northwest and northeast regions, it's quite difficult to know for sure from my knowledge. Anybody know?

 

[jillio]

We don't currently use the hoop during therapy, with the exception of testing. We do use it during testing so that we know what she is hearing and what she is lipreading.

Testing as in discrimination testing during an audiological evaluation in the booth, or "testing" as during a session?

 

[jillio]

Bingo! I think that in most cases, hearing parents want their deaf children to conform to their world or "way of life" instead of making the effort to adjust their thinking to identify what's best for the child.

Personally, I agree with you. It has been my experience that this is what most often occurs, but is rarely honestly admitted to.