Israel Vows to Expand Gaza Airstrikes as Death Toll Passes 200

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We as Americans can't possibly expect to understand this conflict, nor should we take sides.

I would like to see American money WITHDRAWN from Israel and to see the weapons exchange STOP. This is not our conflict and we should not be throwing fuel onto this decades-old fire.

Israel must stop their foray into Gaza. They must stop using Hamas as an excuse to conduct ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

Israel and Palestine must agree to a cease fire and must work together to resolve this conflict. The entire Western and Arab worlds cannot do it for them.
 
so far.... the studies have not shown wikipedia to be more accurate then Encyclopedia Britannica. What do you think why colleges banned the use of wikipedia for research papers? and yes that is misleading there... while wikipedia has all these "credible" sources listed... it's telling you in a misleading way. They can select just one sentence from the credible source and use it in completely out of context.

There are many places you can use the word "scholar" together with. It's called library books. peer-reviewed papers. reputable books. I'll give you a hint - Edward Said. a world-renowned scholar & writer who greatly influenced & changed the Westerner's understanding & approach toward to Palestine-Israel conflict. :cool2:

Unfortunately - he passed away five years ago. He has written many books but I have read only one book (Orientalism). it was bit too complicated for me to understand though....

Do a search on google with "wikipedia Encyclopedia Britannica accurate", the most known study is perhaps the one from Nature. I don't understand where you have it from that there are no studies on this?

Everyone in university use wikipedia, critics on sloppy articles are fewer after 2005/2006. A problem with wikipedia is that it does not fit with the university system of peer viewed articiles and papers graded after titles and rank. This does not make wikipedia less influenced and corrected by scholars. The less frequented articles are more prone to errors, but the palestine articles are read by many people, and more corrected.

Your claim that the cite is taken out of contex don't make sense. I cited from wikipedia, but they did not cite, but summarized the content in the jewish encyclopedia. This is not the same as a "sentence from the credible source and use it in completely out of context.".

I will check out Edward Said, thanks for the name!
 
We as Americans can't possibly expect to understand this conflict, nor should we take sides.

I would like to see American money WITHDRAWN from Israel and to see the weapons exchange STOP. This is not our conflict and we should not be throwing fuel onto this decades-old fire.

Israel must stop their foray into Gaza. They must stop using Hamas as an excuse to conduct ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

Israel and Palestine must agree to a cease fire and must work together to resolve this conflict. The entire Western and Arab worlds cannot do it for them.

This link: Debate: Continue U.S. Aid to Israel? - Middle East Quarterly explains more about American financial aid to Israel and the reason is...
"Kurz: Some have argued that it should. We should remember, however, that the money we give to Israel is both to help Israel defend herself and to defend American interests in the region. The money we give to NATO is for the support of American troops to defend Europe and American interests in Europe. As an American, I would much rather give money to another country to help defend our needs in the region than to have American troops in the region. That makes a lot more sense and is a lot cheaper."

Did you know that American financial aid was also given to Palestinians until Hamas took over? Link: POLITICS-US: Congress Debates Strings on Palestinian Aid
"The United States cut off all aid to Palestine in March 2006, following Hamas' victory in parliamentary elections in January. Aid has since resumed to the Abbas-led government in the West Bank, but only a limited amount of humanitarian assistance goes to Gaza, which has suffered from shortages of fuel and clean drinking water due to an Israeli blockade.

The blockade, launched in response to rockets fired at Israeli cities from militants operating in Gaza, has come under increasing fire from human rights groups."
"U.S. officials said aid to Palestine would be carefully audited by U.S. Foreign Service employees to make sure it did not end up in the hands of terrorists. The aid would primarily go toward job creation, public infrastructure projects, and improving government services."

This link: Hamas rocket attack 'act of war' is from July 2006 and it talked about Hamas fired a rocket at the town of Ashkelon. Hamas clearly is trying to kill Israeli civilians. BradB08, why do you think it is okay and that Israel should put up with it?? If a rocket landed near your town and more rockets might come, you won't sit still. You would fight back. You would do anything to stay alive. The Israelis are doing exactly the same.

Israel is very strong military-wise and could have wipe out Gaza long time ago but they didn't. I checked out the CIA's The World Factbook and compared Israel to Gaza Strip. The population in Gaza Strip is growing much faster than the population in Israel. Your argument that Israel is trying to do the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is moot! The death rate in Israel is much higher than the death rate in Gaza Strip. How much of those Israeli deaths are due to Hamas rockets, sucide bombings, snipers, roadside bombings, etc?? Did you know that the Israeli school buses are armor-plated because the terrorists would target the school buses? (BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Two die in Israeli school bus bombing)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/is.html
Israel - Pop.: 7,112,359 Pop. Rate: 1.713% (2008 est.) Birth rate: 20.02 births/1,000 population (2008 est.) Death rate: 5.41 deaths/1,000 population (2008 est.)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gz.html
Gaza - Pop.: 1,500,202 (July 2008 est.) Pop. Rate: 3.422% (2008 est.) Birth rate: 37.75 births/1,000 population (2008 est.) Death rate: 3.53 deaths/1,000 population (2008 est.)
The death rate in Israel is much higher than the death rate in Gaza Strip. How much of those Israeli deaths are due to Hamas rockets, sucide bombings, snipers, roadside bombings, etc?? Did you know that the Israeli school buses are armor-plated because the terrorists would target the school buses? (BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Two die in Israeli school bus bombing)

How can Israelis work with Palestinians if the Palestinians urge their children to hate Israel?? The Israeli Government's Official Website, by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Gaza kids 'training to kill Jews' - Israel News, Ynetnews

BradB08, before you say anything in this thread, do what I do, read on this subject from both side of sources. I read it from Jewish point of view and also from Arab point of view.

If you list the conflicts between two groups around the world like Irish Catholics versus British Protestants or North Vietnam versus South Vietnam, you will find that muslims are involved in many of the conflicts even against other muslims like Sunnis versus Shi'tes. Samuel P. Huntington wrote about Islam and Militarism: eRiposte War and Peace - Other: Propensity for Violence in Muslims.
 
We as Americans can't possibly expect to understand this conflict, nor should we take sides.

I would like to see American money WITHDRAWN from Israel and to see the weapons exchange STOP. This is not our conflict and we should not be throwing fuel onto this decades-old fire.

Israel must stop their foray into Gaza. They must stop using Hamas as an excuse to conduct ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

Israel and Palestine must agree to a cease fire and must work together to resolve this conflict. The entire Western and Arab worlds cannot do it for them.

To make it more complicated, Hamas is pissed off at, and partly accusing Fatah for making this attack possible, while veteran soldiers in Israel are demonstrating on the streets to stop the attack in Gaza....

It's damn sad yes...
 
So Israel should just sit quietly while Hamas attacks with missiles?


Is the revenage good solution?

To me, no because they (Israel and Hamas) will always get in return and then repeat... repeat... end to kill more innocents in Israel and Hamas.

Anyway, to me - they should offer to have negotiations (Yes, I know they did for years) but all what I care about is that the both sides need to quit to play children... Grow up!!!
 
Is the revenage good solution?

To me, no because they (Israel and Hamas) will always get in return and then repeat... repeat... end to kill more innocents in Israel and Hamas.

Anyway, to me - they should offer to have negotiations (Yes, I know they did for years) but all what I care about is that the both sides need to quit to play children... Grow up!!!
It's not "revenge" when someone fights back. It's self defense and an attempt to destroy or reduce the enemy's ability to attack.

If another country sent missiles into Germany, would you expect your leaders to do nothing, and wait to be attacked again? Or would you expect them to try to destroy the enemy's missiles?

Negotiations work only if both sides are willing to abide by the conditions.
 
It's not "revenge" when someone fights back. It's self defense and an attempt to destroy or reduce the enemy's ability to attack.

If another country sent missiles into Germany, would you expect your leaders to do nothing, and wait to be attacked again? Or would you expect them to try to destroy the enemy's missiles?

Negotiations work only if both sides are willing to abide by the conditions.

I have agree with you.

Hamas and Israel aren't compare because Hamas is terrorist organization since Israel is sovereignty, only better compare is PLO and Hamas has made PLO looks bad.

If anyone who criticize about my or your way then it mean they are honor to terrorist organization over sovereignty country, that's quite sad and Israel could knock Hamas down without any doubt.
 
We as Americans can't possibly expect to understand this conflict, nor should we take sides.

I would like to see American money WITHDRAWN from Israel and to see the weapons exchange STOP. This is not our conflict and we should not be throwing fuel onto this decades-old fire.

Israel must stop their foray into Gaza. They must stop using Hamas as an excuse to conduct ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

Israel and Palestine must agree to a cease fire and must work together to resolve this conflict. The entire Western and Arab worlds cannot do it for them.

Sorry, it wouldn't going happen.

It doesn't means Obama will meet your needs by 100% since everyone has different sensitive when come with way.
 
I have agree with you.

Hamas and Israel aren't compare because Hamas is terrorist organization since Israel is sovereignty, only better compare is PLO and Hamas has made PLO looks bad.

If anyone who criticize about my or your way then it mean they are honor to terrorist organization over sovereignty country, that's quite sad and Israel could knock Hamas down without any doubt.

but Hamas is the government of PLO so....
 
It's not "revenge" when someone fights back. It's self defense and an attempt to destroy or reduce the enemy's ability to attack.

If another country sent missiles into Germany, would you expect your leaders to do nothing, and wait to be attacked again? Or would you expect them to try to destroy the enemy's missiles?

Negotiations work only if both sides are willing to abide by the conditions.

yes of course retaliatory action is always expected but this is overkill. plain damn overkill. 4 dead Israelis from rocket attacks and 500+ dead PLO with 64+ fighter jets..... yep overkill.
 
yes of course retaliatory action is always expected but this is overkill. plain damn overkill. 4 dead Israelis from rocket attacks and 500+ dead PLO with 64+ fighter jets..... yep overkill.

Well the Hamas has gathered round the civilians and placed them around or on military targets on purpose - they are well known for that.

Granted we will never get full story hence we cannot point fingers at anyone - both of them are justified in their own eyes so this is clearly a no win - win situation :(
 
Well the Hamas has gathered round the civilians and placed them around or on military targets on purpose - they are well known for that.

Granted we will never get full story hence we cannot point fingers at anyone - both of them are justified in their own eyes so this is clearly a no win - win situation :(

yep..... maybe they did use civilians as shield.. but who knows? After all... Gaza Strip is roughly twice the size of Washington D.C. and that's very small and crampy for 1.5+ million Palestinians to live in. Mind you - DC's population is 588,292 (US Census) so you can get some idea how crampy it is to live in Gaza Strip. the military targets that Israelis were bombing are right next to civilians and homes. One can say Israelis didn't give a shit and just want to retaliate.... and hope for best that Palestinians will rebel against Hamas to stop this mess.

:dunno:
 
Well the Hamas has gathered round the civilians and placed them around or on military targets on purpose - they are well known for that.

That's just propaganda that they use to get you to support Israel.
 
yes of course retaliatory action is always expected but this is overkill. plain damn overkill. 4 dead Israelis from rocket attacks and 500+ dead PLO with 64+ fighter jets..... yep overkill.

That is correct. The world is finally coming to see the Israeli regime for who they are, simple thugs.
 
That's just propaganda that they use to get you to support Israel.

Exactly - that is why I am not taking any sides. I hear this or that....two of my closest friends are Israeli-American Jews so I hear their sides but I have heard stories from PLO too - we will never get to the bottom of this situation. Everyone is a victim yet bully in this one.
 
Exactly - that is why I am not taking any sides. I hear this or that....two of my closest friends are Israeli-American Jews so I hear their sides but I have heard stories from PLO too - we will never get to the bottom of this situation. Everyone is a victim yet bully in this one.

same here. couple of my Jewish friends have their facebook status message like "SUPPORT THE ISRAEL!" or something like that..... and my Arabic friend is very angry to hear about deaths of many Palestinians.

yea it's a bottomless pit :mad2:
 
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