Israel Vows to Expand Gaza Airstrikes as Death Toll Passes 200

[SeanB]

I don't fully support either Israel nor PLO. I merely have a solution for both - 50-50 split! ..... just like North Korea-South Korea. Well hey... at least they didn't throw bombs at each other for 50+ years and counting.....

The key is terrorism, terror diplomacy does not work in the civilized world. Either conform to peaceful means or suffer the consequences.

 

[Jiro]

All that before the creation of modern Israel. Already the Arabs hate the Jews and the Jewish people didn't have the State of Israel. For what??? Not for the land, that's for sure.

They have managed without the state of Israel for centuries. They coexisted just fine wherever they are. it puzzles me to why would UN put Israelis right in the middle of Arab nations that have hatred over Jewish people. puzzling..... puzzling.....

:scratch:

 

[SFShawn13]

If the Israelis are so good at playing the victim card (as you say) then why are so many posters supporting the Palestinians? I would say you have it backwards. It's the Palestinians who are playing the victim card, and apparently they and their supporters must be very adept at it because so many people are being suckered by them.

Ok but even if all of that is true, what does that have to do with Israel invading the strip and indiscriminately killing thousands of civilians? And why would those countries want to integrate the Palestinians into their systems when the whole POINT is that they, NOR the Palestinians, WANT to live in THEIR countries, they want to live in PALESTINE, which is currently occupied by Jews, whom pretty much all of those nations you listed, despise as well. Of course they’re not going to do anything that may lead to an END to the Palestinians fighting for the land Israel occupies.

 

[Fozzy]

World war 3, here we come!

Funny you should say that. It's ben speculated that the 3rd WW would start in that region and spread. I think it was Iran and Saudi Arabia trading nukes that gets the ball rolling.

 

[SFShawn13]

Funny you should say that. It's ben speculated that the 3rd WW would start in that region and spread. I think it was Iran and Saudi Arabia trading nukes that gets the ball rolling.

Yah. Both sides have done terrible things to each other. And who ever said innocents get killed the most, they are right. But this shit going on in Gaza right now? NOT cool.

 

[Reba]

Ok but even if all of that is true, what does that have to do with Israel invading the strip and indiscriminately killing thousands of civilians? And why would those countries want to integrate the Palestinians into their systems when the whole POINT is that they, NOR the Palestinians, WANT to live in THEIR countries, they want to live in PALESTINE, which is currently occupied by Jews, whom pretty much all of those nations you listed, despise as well. Of course they’re not going to do anything that may lead to an END to the Palestinians fighting for the land Israel occupies.

Who says that Israel is "invading the strip and indiscriminately killing thousands of civilians?"

The country of Jordan was specifically set up as the country for the Palestinians. It is their country. Modern "Israel" for the Jews, and "Jordan" for the Arabs--that was the agreed split of the territory.

BTW, there are Arab "Palestinians" who live in Israel; they weren't booted out.

 

[Beowulf]

Who says that Israel is "invading the strip and indiscriminately killing thousands of civilians?"

The country of Jordan was specifically set up as the country for the Palestinians. It is their country. Modern "Israel" for the Jews, and "Jordan" for the Arabs--that was the agreed split of the territory.

BTW, there are Arab "Palestinians" who live in Israel; they weren't booted out.

Are Palesttinians and the Palestines meeting in a Planetarium?

 

[flip]

The only reference is a link "CNN.com - World Regions: Middle East (biased pro-Arab)". Hardly an unreasonable rant.

So pro-Israel people are "hardcore" and "extremists", eh?

What do you call the anti-Israel people?

People who consider themselves pro-Israel in the question of occupucation and supporting the apartheid system towards arabs in Israel and around, are considered extremists within Israel by many of it's inhabitants. Rabbis are pissing of more than one Israeli, too. Many of them support bombing civilians, but don't want to join the army of religious reasons.

Anti-Israel sounds like something extreme, if you ask me!

 

[flip]

Many people are being suckered by Israel's claims as well. You could call it an even split.

Do you assume that every single Palestinian is a supporter of Hamas or the PLO? I believe that there are non-supporters of both Hamas/The PLO and the Israeli government. There's got to be people on both sides who are utterly sick of this game being played by their governments.

That's my impression of the situation. Civilians are sick of war, but power thirsty people on both sides just go on and on and on and on .....

 

[Foxrac]

I don't fully support either Israel nor PLO. I merely have a solution for both - 50-50 split! ..... just like North Korea-South Korea. Well hey... at least they didn't throw bombs at each other for 50+ years and counting.....

I wouldn't rather to compare with between NK/SK and Israel/PLO because of their situation is totally different, however separate of NK and SK are really not make sense because of people are just Korean, for conflict then both of NK and SK seems more nothing than just for military that's heavily guarded in border.

I had heard about alot of bad thing in NK and it would be chance for NK and SK to reunification in future and not know about what years would start.

 

[Jiro]

I wouldn't rather to compare with between NK/SK and Israel/PLO because of their situation is totally different, however separate of NK and SK are really not make sense because of people are just Korean, for conflict then both of NK and SK seems more nothing than just for military that's heavily guarded in border.

I had heard about alot of bad thing in NK and it would be chance for NK and SK to reunification in future and not know about what years would start.

point is - it was geographically 50-50 split. It doesn't matter if both sides are of same race. Both sides are enemy to each other and they kill each other... with total loss of at least 1,500,000 dead. No conflict has occurred since the split.

that should work same for PLO/Israel. Everybody will be happy. Sure there will probably be some heavily guarded shit along the borders.

 

[Foxrac]

point is - it was geographically 50-50 split. It doesn't matter if both sides are of same race. Both sides are enemy to each other and they kill each other... with total loss of at least 1,500,000 dead. No conflict has occurred since the split.

that should work same for PLO/Israel. Everybody will be happy. Sure there will probably be some heavily guarded shit along the borders.

PLO and Israel wouldn't be same as NK/SK does, very different situation, also don't forgot about North Vietnam and South Vietnam in 60's/70's but both of them are gone and merged into Vietnam.

PLO has issue with Hamas but if without Hamas then PLO wouldn't big issue as like right now and too late to change since Israel is more powerful when attack against PLO.

 

[Reba]

Are Palesttinians and the Palestines meeting in a Planetarium?

Their fellow Arabs in Jordan refuse to allow them entry into the country that was given them.

 

[Reba]

Again:

"First of all, the Palestinian Arabs do have a state. Its called Jordan. During the League of Nations Mandate period, the land originally set aside by the League of Nations as the Palestine Mandate was supposed to provide for a national home for the Jewish people. The British were given the authority to manage the Mandate and help the Jews make the transition to independence. Instead, almost 80% of the original Mandate land was carved out and arbitrarily made into the Arab country of Trans-Jordan (later renamed Jordan). In all the land of the Mandate east of the Jordan River it was "No Jews Allowed". West of the Jordan, the 20% part of the Mandate, the British restricted Jewish immigration and gradually adopted policies that were more and more pro-Arab. Palestinian Arabs are the majority of the population of Jordan even today.

All of Israel today, and the Jewish lands historically called Judea and Samaria (now the West Bank) plus Gaza are entirely within the 20% slice of the British Mandate left over after the creation of Transjordan."

 

[Reba]

They have managed without the state of Israel for centuries. They coexisted just fine wherever they are. it puzzles me to why would UN put Israelis right in the middle of Arab nations that have hatred over Jewish people. puzzling..... puzzling.....

:scratch:

Well, they "coexisted just fine" until they were either driven out (Spain), tormented under pogroms (Russia), put into ghettos (Poland), or killed (Germany) in other countries.

Historically and geographically that's where Israel has always been. Where else would you expect them to "put" Israel? In the middle of Australia or China?

 

[Reba]

(March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein.)

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.


The same day that Yasser Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, he said the following on Jordanian TV:

"Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel."

Palestinian people do not exist

 

[flip]

Again:

"First of all, the Palestinian Arabs do have a state. Its called Jordan.

Acccording to wikipedia, most scholars seems to disagree with cites you put up here:

"Palestinians have never exercised full sovereignty over the land in which they have lived. Palestine was administered by the Ottoman Empire until World War I, and then by the British Mandatory authorities. Israel was established in parts of Palestine in 1948, and in the wake of the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, the West Bank and East Jerusalem were occupied by Jordan, and the Gaza Strip by Egypt, with both countries continuing to administer these areas until Israel occupied them during the 1967 war. Avi Shlaim explains that the argument that "you never had sovereignty over this land, and therefore you have no rights," has been used by Israelis to deny Palestinian rights and attachment to the land."
From wikipedia, article named "Palestinian people"

"The name and the borders of Palestine have varied throughout history, though Palestine has certain natural boundaries that justify its historical individuality."
From wikipedia, article named "Palestine", again from a jewish encyclopedia.

 

[Jiro]

Acccording to wikipedia, most scholars seems to disagree with cites you put up here:

"Palestinians have never exercised full sovereignty over the land in which they have lived. Palestine was administered by the Ottoman Empire until World War I, and then by the British Mandatory authorities. Israel was established in parts of Palestine in 1948, and in the wake of the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, the West Bank and East Jerusalem were occupied by Jordan, and the Gaza Strip by Egypt, with both countries continuing to administer these areas until Israel occupied them during the 1967 war. Avi Shlaim explains that the argument that "you never had sovereignty over this land, and therefore you have no rights," has been used by Israelis to deny Palestinian rights and attachment to the land."
From wikipedia, article named "Palestinian people"

"The name and the borders of Palestine have varied throughout history, though Palestine has certain natural boundaries that justify its historical individuality."
From wikipedia, article named "Palestine", again from a jewish encyclopedia.

you know that you shouldn't put "scholars" and "wikipedia" in same sentence.... just my

 

[flip]

you know that you shouldn't put "scholars" and "wikipedia" in same sentence.... just my

If studies show Wikipedia is more accurate than Encyclopaedia Britannica, I don't hestitate use the word scholar. Check the reference to scholars in articles on palestine. The claim that palestine have a history to justify it's individuality at wikipedia is referenced to the jewish encyclopedia. If I can't use the word scholar here, then it's indeed few places I can use it!

 

[Jiro]

If studies show Wikipedia is more accurate than Encyclopaedia Britannica, I don't hestitate use the word scholar. Check the reference to scholars in articles on palestine. The claim that palestine have a history to justify it's individuality at wikipedia is referenced to the jewish encyclopedia. If I can't use the word scholar here, then it's indeed few places I can use it!

so far.... the studies have not shown wikipedia to be more accurate then Encyclopedia Britannica. What do you think why colleges banned the use of wikipedia for research papers? and yes that is misleading there... while wikipedia has all these "credible" sources listed... it's telling you in a misleading way. They can select just one sentence from the credible source and use it in completely out of context.

There are many places you can use the word "scholar" together with. It's called library books. peer-reviewed papers. reputable books. I'll give you a hint - Edward Said. a world-renowned scholar & writer who greatly influenced & changed the Westerner's understanding & approach toward to Palestine-Israel conflict.

Unfortunately - he passed away five years ago. He has written many books but I have read only one book (Orientalism). it was bit too complicated for me to understand though....