Israel Vows to Expand Gaza Airstrikes as Death Toll Passes 200

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I have agree with Texan Guy and Reba for most way, however I do understand about their history and really don't care about situation with Palestinian.

I'm support Israel for all way.

So you all would stand idly by like another group of people, the good Germans that stood silent while the Nazis wiped out millions of people?

Let's see:

The mass killing of Jews = awful
Israel's mass killing of Palestinians = o.k

You tell me if this is correct or not.
 
So you all would stand idly by like another group of people, the good Germans that stood silent while the Nazis wiped out millions of people?

Let's see:

The mass killing of Jews = awful
Israel's mass killing of Palestinians = o.k

You tell me if this is correct or not.

ouch that's gonna sting :whip:
 
I have agree with Texan Guy and Reba for most way, however I do understand about their history and really don't care about situation with Palestinian.

I'm support Israel for all way.

I support Israel all the way, too. I love Jew/Israeli people. :)
 
So you all would stand idly by like another group of people, the good Germans that stood silent while the Nazis wiped out millions of people?

Let's see:

The mass killing of Jews = awful
Israel's mass killing of Palestinians = o.k

You tell me if this is correct or not.

Ummm, who were the "bad" Germans? What were they doing, standing idly by as well? Don't be surprised if that were true, since propaganda affects EVERYONE.
 
So you all would stand idly by like another group of people, the good Germans that stood silent while the Nazis wiped out millions of people?

Let's see:

The mass killing of Jews = awful
Israel's mass killing of Palestinians = o.k

You tell me if this is correct or not.

Two totally different situations! LOL This is going to take a history lesson to get you to understand what is going on.
 
I support Israel all the way, too. I love Jew/Israeli people. :)

Yup, I'm just ignore them if other members criticize my way to support something like that and rather not to debate in this way.

It's quite wrong for other members to criticize on other member's way.

Otherwise, Hamas has make Palestinian looks bad, not surprised about happened after formed in almost last 22 years ago.
 
The holocaust was more of the initiation of one man by his own ideals, and a bunch of people that did his bidding.
The modern day Palestinian-Israeli situation is a clashing of religious and government ideals, more of a mass scale disagreement.
 
The holocaust was more of the initiation of one man by his own ideals, and a bunch of people that did his bidding.
The modern day Palestinian-Israeli situation is a clashing of religious and government ideals, more of a mass scale disagreement.

PLO-Israel is nothing about religion or government ideal. it's about getting their home back that was taken by Israelis. see the map below again.

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I understand, and agree the modern fight is about the land. But I was going more in principle depth to why they are really fighting behind the lands (as in why the Jews were really slain) - wasn't it the religious beliefs that clash between them so they both do not accept each other?
 
Two totally different situations! LOL This is going to take a history lesson to get you to understand what is going on.

I don't need a history lesson.

People who support Israel's destruction of Gaza and the Palestinians need a reality check.

It would be one thing if they were concentrating solely on Hamas. However, they are killing civilians and denying Palestinian citizens access to medical care.
 
I understand, and agree the modern fight is about the land. But I was going more in principle depth to why they are really fighting behind the lands (as in why the Jews were really slain) - wasn't it the religious beliefs that clash between them so they both do not accept each other?

Lol, I was wondering the same thing. What would Jesus do? Be a bloodthirsty bugger?
At the risk of getting banned, I found this link...
True worship - John 4
Jews and Samaritans STILL do not get along!
 
I understand, and agree the modern fight is about the land. But I was going more in principle depth to why they are really fighting behind the lands (as in why the Jews were really slain) - wasn't it the religious beliefs that clash between them so they both do not accept each other?

that's what I called a distraction. Simple - give them back their land and everybody will be happy. Look at the current size of PLO's land. That's not really fair, isn't it?
 
In context over the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I had thought that the city of Jerusalem played the biggest role of all biblical passages from both religions. Jerusalem being the sacred "Holy Land", both religious factions all want to rule it in order to "instill" their true devotion to God, as in showing the fruits of their work for the guy above.

So that is why I thought there was more to the conflict never-ending, because neither side would be able to have full control over Jerusalem. Correct me if I am wrong though, this was what I was told over four years ago.
 
In context over the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I had thought that the city of Jerusalem played the biggest role of all biblical passages from both religions. Jerusalem being the sacred "Holy Land", both religious factions all want to rule it in order to "instill" their true devotion to God, as in showing the fruits of their work for the guy above.

So that is why I thought there was more to the conflict never-ending, because neither side would be able to have full control over Jerusalem. Correct me if I am wrong though, this was what I was told over four years ago.

nobody can get a full control of Jerusalem. UN gave Israelis a piece of Jerusalem. I'm fine with that. But look at the size of PLO's land compared to UN Partition Plan. It went from half of the country to nearly nothing!!! How is that fair?
 
nobody can get a full control of Jerusalem. UN gave Israelis a piece of Jerusalem. I'm fine with that. But look at the size of PLO's land compared to UN Partition Plan. It went from half of the country to nearly nothing!!! How is that fair?

It's not fair and that is the reason why organizations like Hamas exist in the first place.

What if the UN decided that a small US state (perhaps even Vermont?) was to be given to a specific ethnic group? What if that group wanted more land and they secured the funding of say, Russia, to supply them with weapons and money to invade and conquer more land in the state?

Do you honestly think that people in that state would sit by and watch their land get taken, their homes get burnt down and their family members and friends die?

Violence is never justified but when an animal is cornered, it can/will fight back with anything that it has.
 
Why don't the Palestinians have a state?

First of all, the Palestinian Arabs do have a state. Its called Jordan. During the League of Nations Mandate period, the land originally set aside by the League of Nations as the Palestine Mandate was supposed to provide for a national home for the Jewish people. The British were given the authority to manage the Mandate and help the Jews make the transition to independence. Instead, almost 80% of the original Mandate land was carved out and arbitrarily made into the Arab country of Trans-Jordan (later renamed Jordan). In all the land of the Mandate east of the Jordan River it was "No Jews Allowed". West of the Jordan, the 20% part of the Mandate, the British restricted Jewish immigration and gradually adopted policies that were more and more pro-Arab. Palestinian Arabs are the majority of the population of Jordan even today.

All of Israel today, and the Jewish lands historically called Judea and Samaria (now the West Bank) plus Gaza are entirely within the 20% slice of the British Mandate left over after the creation of Transjordan. The British Mandate Overview page gives a table with the details of this geographical distribution of the Mandate lands.

In all of the history of the region, there never was a Palestinian Arab state. The Palestinian Arabs are not a distinct people. With very few exceptions, they are a highly mixed group of immigrants from all over the Middle East and even further regions: Assyrians, Persians and Romans from ancient times, Turks, Armenians, Greeks, Albanians, and Italians, Afghans, Kurds, other Europeans including Germans, Bosnians, Circassians as well as Egyptians, Bedouins, Algerians, Sudanese and many others who have been identified in the population. Most of today's inhabitants can trace their history in the Palestine area no further than the early 20th century when many came to Palestine attracted by the Zionist prosperity and, after World War I, the political stability of the British administration of the Mandate.

Palestinian Arabs have been offered the opportunity to create a state many times, starting with plans advanced during the British Mandate which the Arabs rejected. Then the United Nation partition plan of 1947, which brought Israel into existence, included a nation for the Palestinians, but the Arabs rejected it. Over the decades since there has been plan after plan that would bring peace to the region and a state for the Palestinians: all they had to do was let Israel live in peace. Arabs rejected all these plans, up to and including at Camp David in 2000 and Taba in 2001, and kept the armed struggle going.

It should also be remembered that from 1948 to 1967 the land known as the West Bank, historically Judea and Samaria, part of the Land of Israel, was held by Jordan. During that period the Gaza Strip was held by Egypt. There were no "occupied territories", no "settlements" or any of the other excuses used today to attack Israel. But there was also no peace. Palestinians and the neighboring Arab countries continuously attacked Israel and worked for the destruction of the Israeli state. At the same time, there was no call for Palestinian independence or statehood even though it could have been done by Jordan with the stroke of a pen.

On November 15, 1988, a Palestinian state was proclaimed by Yasser Arafat at a meeting of the Palestine National Council in Algiers. This was the second declaration of such a state, the first being at a meeting in Gaza in October 1, 1948 during Israel's War of Independence. Both the Gaza and the Algiers declarations are largely irrelevant today, notwithstanding that the Algiers Declaration received enormous attention at the time. Since the PLO did not control the intended Palestinian territory, it was only a symbolic act.

In all probability there will be an independent Palestinian Arab state some day, but only after the Palestinian Arabs find leadership that is committed to peace with Israel.
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It's not fair and that is the reason why organizations like Hamas exist in the first place.

What if the UN decided that a small US state (perhaps even Vermont?) was to be given to a specific ethnic group? What if that group wanted more land and they secured the funding of say, Russia, to supply them with weapons and money to invade and conquer more land in the state?

Do you honestly think that people in that state would sit by and watch their land get taken, their homes get burnt down and their family members and friends die?

Violence is never justified but when an animal is cornered, it can/will fight back with anything that it has.
 
The British were responsible for problems caused by divvying up lands, which caused strife among the inhabitants of those lands.
 
Reference Wiki Answers
"The conflict over Palestine predates the creation of the state of Israel in 1948. The modern conflict is generally dated from the early 20th century, when Jewish immigration to Palestine increased significantly as a consequence of Zionism.

The Jewish people originally believed that the land was given to them by God, which is why they were able to inhabit and control the area. The area has been part of their Holy Land since before the rise of Islam.

They created an independent society there due to prejudice and persecution in many of the countries where they lived, off and on for hundreds of years. The building of the new society began in the 1880's and culminated in independence in 1948, following the murder of 6,000,000 Jews in the Nazi Holocaust. "

Right now the area is smaller than it could be as they devistated the militaries of most of the neighboring Arab countries during the six day war, which involved them grabbing a great deal of land, most of which they ended up returning.

Note that as for "kicking people out", although this is now considered wrong, in the late forties millions of people in many countries were kicked out of their homes, and were driven further away than the Palestinians and involving much larger distances, So it wasn't unique, just Israel is the only country that still gets blamed for it. (The other countries that suffered exiles like this are Russia, Poland, Germany, Finland, Pakistan, and India.)

Not all Jews share the same meaning on Israel; many of them are Zionists, and live in Israel. Others are anti-Zionists (these include many Jews outside of Israel). They are Jewish, and share the same believe as the Israelis, but they don't see the point in having a Jewish state. These Jews cherish their ancestry, but just practice Judaism in other countries."
 
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