I need help with my thesis

[jillio]

Yes.

The argument is that I said you were Deaf and got a CI, and they all attacked me for saying that my daughter is Deaf, and said that I was calling a hearing person Deaf and that I don't have the right to call my daughter Deaf because I'm hearing.

None of it matters, it's just another way to attack me.

She was not born Deaf. She was diagnosed as deaf at the age of three, and chose to i.d. as Deaf at some point in her life.

And no one attacked you. We questioned whether you could assign a cultural identity to your daughter when you, yourself are not Deaf, and do not have an in depth understanding of, nor the ability to transmit Deaf culture to your child.

 

[jillio]

Jillio,

Now I'm confused. What's the difference? Is the difference that I had some hearing loss from age 3 whereas a late deafened person has normal hearing until they are an adult?

Yes. All late deafened are post-lingual, but all that are post-lingual are not late deafened.

 

[faire_jour]

She was not born Deaf. She was diagnosed as deaf at the age of three, and chose to i.d. as Deaf at some point in her life.

And no one attacked you. We questioned whether you could assign a cultural identity to your daughter when you, yourself are not Deaf, and do not have an in depth understanding of, nor the ability to transmit Deaf culture to your child.

Read again. She said she was born with a loss.

And you know what I'm so done.

 

[jillio]

Born with a loss equals prelingual. Even though it was a mild loss, it was there before you learned language.

She just stated that it is not known whether she was born with a loss, or whether she acquired it from ototoxic drugs.

 

[Byrdie714]

The Deaf community used to be very against the CI about 10 years ago but that is changing now. It is more of the audist view that comes with the CI that the Deaf community is against, not the CIs themselves.

Not in this household.

So, no child is Deaf?

Jillio answered before me:

Deaf of Deaf could certainly be considered to be culturally Deaf, as they are raised with the norms, values, and philosophies of the culture.

Deaf of hearing are raised with the values, norms, and philosophies of the hearing. They can choose to change their i.d. when they are able to distinquish the differnces inherent between the two cultures. Until then, they are deaf being raised in hearing culture.

Well said.

Someone told me that I am not culturally Deaf even though I feel like I am now only cuz I grew up orally. Then again, others say I am so I just say screw it...I am part of the Deaf community...keep it simple!

I would disagree due to the fact that you have a sibling that is also deaf. Granted that the two of you were brought up in hearing families--you still had a sibiling that was deaf.

I am Deaf as of last year even though I was born deaf. and my journey just started. I just signed up for ASL classes today (just 15 min before closing hour )

Not yet. However you are on your journey. Welcome to the Deaf World!

What about those deaf of hearing who lived at the residential schools?

They would be part of the deaf community.

Myself, I was born into the big 'D' as I have parents that are Deaf and HOH as well as my siblings. All using ASL as it is our native language with English as a second language.

I think that the 10% of the deaf would consider themselves in the Deaf community and the 90% would consider themselves a part of the deaf community.

 

[Hear Again]

Born with a loss equals prelingual. Even though it was a mild loss, it was there before you learned language.

I'd really like Jillio to answer this question because I'm not so sure of that. My understanding is that someone could only be prelingual if their hearing loss was severe enough to negatively affect language acquisition. Since my loss was mild, this was not the case.

 

[jillio]

Not in this household.



Jillio answered before me:



Well said.



I would disagree due to the fact that you have a sibling that is also deaf. Granted that the two of you were brought up in hearing families--you still had a sibiling that was deaf.



Not yet. However you are on your journey. Welcome to the Deaf World!



They would be part of the deaf community.

Myself, I was born into the big 'D' as I have parents that are Deaf and HOH as well as my siblings. All using ASL as it is our native language with English as a second language.

I think that the 10% of the deaf would consider themselves in the Deaf community and the 90% would consider themselves a part of the deaf community.

Your estimate is probably pretty much on target.

 

[Babyblue]

Read again. She said she was born with a loss.

And you know what I'm so done.

being born with deafness does not make a person culturally deaf.


For an example. being born Hispanics does not make a person culturally Spanish.

 

[jillio]

Read again. She said she was born with a loss.

And you know what I'm so done.

She said she thinks she was born with a loss, but there is no medical evidence to confirm that. Read again.

 

[Byrdie714]

What if a child is born to hearing parents, but raised with the norms, values and philosophies of the Deaf community?

Hearing parents teaching the values, norms, and philosophies of the Deaf community?!

That is being transparent because no Deaf parent would put a CI on their Deaf child.

 

[shel90]

Ok now I understand much better about the cultural identification...I was not 100% sure but never really put much thought into it until this thread.

 

[Hear Again]

She just stated that it is not known whether she was born with a loss, or whether she acquired it from ototoxic drugs.

Exactly. All I said was that my former hearing aid audis (and my CI surgeon) *think* I was born with a mild hearing loss. Given all of the medical information I have, I'm inclined to agree. At any rate, it really doesn't matter since I could still hear.

 

[Jiro]

Not yet. However you are on your journey. Welcome to the Deaf World!

I just read about exactly what Deaf World is after I posted mine. You're right!

 

[Babyblue]

It is how a person is raised. How a person is brought up to make them culturally accepted in any culture.

That is all we are saying.

 

[jillio]

I'd really like Jillio to answer this question because I'm not so sure of that. My understanding is that someone could only be prelingual if their hearing loss was severe enough to negatively affect language acquisition. Since my loss was mild, this was not the case.

You are correct. And, if your loss was due to the ototoxic drugs and the treatment you were given as a preemie, it is not a congenital loss, but an acquired one, as it occurred after birth.

 

[Byrdie714]

Yes.

The argument is that I said you were Deaf and got a CI, and they all attacked me for saying that my daughter is Deaf, and said that I was calling a hearing person Deaf and that I don't have the right to call my daughter Deaf because I'm hearing.

None of it matters, it's just another way to attack me.

The bolded comment is also getting a little tiring.......

 

[naisho]

Basically, if you get a CI for furthering audio purposes you are going back to little d or am I wrong?

 

[Byrdie714]

Basically, if you get a CI for furthering audio purposes you are going back to little d or am I wrong?

"Hearing wanna-be"

 

[Jolie77]

Guys - If you want to discuss about the discretion of "d" and "D" of the norms of Deaf Culture/World, so and on - Please create a new thread about it. It is getting off the topic as we speak.

The OP is wanting to know about the issue that revolves with the Cochlear Implant.

The reason why I decided to write my thesis on cochlear implants to help myself and my colleagues better understand the decision making process and I felt that it would be better to get this information from people who have been through it themselves. I can try to tell parents that I understand what they are going through, but I don't. I know what my education has taught me and I have worked with children with cochlear implants and I have learned a lot from them and their parents, but all of their parents are hearing. I think it would be great to get the perspective from people from deaf culture so that I would have even more information to share with colleagues and parents.

 

[faire_jour]

In real life the Deaf community has been nothing but welcoming, encouraging and helpful. They have accepted my daughter from the moment we entered this journey with hearing loss.
The people here have been the exact opposite; judgemental, fault-finding, and exclusionary. They have wanted her to be a part of their community, and they have invited us (my husband and I) in as well. THEY identify her as Deaf, and I am proud of that. Whenever I am introduced to another Deaf person, they say "she is hearing BUT, " and then they list all the things we do with my daughter. When the bi-bi school set up their advisory commitee, I was asked to be a part of the board. They respect my opinion, even though people here don't.
I am tired of being called names. I am tired of being attacked. I find it sad that oral parents on CICircle are more accepting of my daughter and ASL than the people here are.
I am so glad that my family didn't run into people like YOU when we first discovered my daughter's hearing loss. I had never understood when other hearing parents relayed these shocking experiences with the Deaf community, stories of distain and judgement, but I do now. I had always thought that the parents had taken people the wrong way, maybe they had just run into someone on a bad day, or maybe there were just a few, very few, bad seeds out there....guess I was wrong. I guess my experience with a loving, accepting community is actually the minority.

Good luck.