Hearing people's view of CI

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"That handful of us who are hearing and deaf parents of deaf kids can and do learn a lot from this community, ....so some of us may be listening to those who are deaf/hoh, as you suggest: listening to the majority of those who say go mainstream (whether with ASL or oral support) or deaf school (oral) vs. a minority who advise that deaf kids need to learn in an ASL environment."

Majority of dhh/deaf in this community (I'm assuming you mean AD) recommend mainstreaming? Really?
 
But I have learned a lot. For example..
If you start a thread here about deaf parents talking about their decision to let there deaf child hear (yes.. I use "let" again).. the thread will be removed asap...
For some reason, arguments of those deaf people, deaf parents, should not be shown on AllDeaf...

AllDeaf doesn't censor anything other than primarily unwanted posts that might contain: harassment, provoking, belittling, opinion-bashing, and obvious related criteria. If one can express opinions without intending for a flame war, nothing happens to those threads. If a jihad happens, then you pretty much lose the thread, period.

Anything, whether opinion, information, or suggestion that is seen as intended to stir trouble, resentment, hostility or makes members take pitchforks against another is taken away without a second thought.

There is a fine line from what shouldn't be posted vs debating and respecting the opinions of others, even if you beg to differ.
 
"That handful of us who are hearing and deaf parents of deaf kids can and do learn a lot from this community, ....so some of us may be listening to those who are deaf/hoh, as you suggest: listening to the majority of those who say go mainstream (whether with ASL or oral support) or deaf school (oral) vs. a minority who advise that deaf kids need to learn in an ASL environment."

Majority of dhh/deaf in this community (I'm assuming you mean AD) recommend mainstreaming? Really?

It probably would be more clear to you if you hadn't mixed and matched sentence fragments to create a new quote. Take a look at the original sentence:

But the deaf community here and beyond is not homogeneous, so some of us may be listening to those who are deaf/hoh, as you suggest: listening to the majority of those who say go mainstream (whether with ASL or oral support) or deaf school (oral) vs. a minority who advise that deaf kids need to learn in an ASL environment.
 
It probably would be more clear to you if you hadn't mixed and matched sentence fragments to create a new quote. Take a look at the original sentence:

didn't mix and match at all and my dots were to show that a part was left out.
You wrote: "That handful of us who are hearing and deaf parents of deaf kids can and do learn a lot from this community, and can also provide a great deal of info. about what our children are experiencing both to this community and to the next generation of new parents who come here. But the deaf community here and beyond is not homogeneous, so some of us may be listening to those who are deaf/hoh, as you suggest: listening to the majority of those who say go mainstream (whether with ASL or oral support) or deaf school (oral) vs. a minority who advise that deaf kids need to learn in an ASL environment."

I quoted: ""That handful of us who are hearing and deaf parents of deaf kids can and do learn a lot from this community, ....so some of us may be listening to those who are deaf/hoh, as you suggest: listening to the majority of those who say go mainstream (whether with ASL or oral support) or deaf school (oral) vs. a minority who advise that deaf kids need to learn in an ASL environment."

SAME PARAGRAPH

Where's the mixing and matching? I left out the part in the middle of the same paragraph because I am asking you if you're saying that "from this community...majority of dhh/deaf recommend mainstreaming" and I even threw in "I'm assuming by "this community" you mean AD". If I'm wrong, just say so.

There was no mixing/matching. That made me laugh though, thanks.

You still haven't answered the question BTW.
 
AllDeaf doesn't censor anything other than primarily unwanted posts that might contain: harassment, provoking, belittling, opinion-bashing, and obvious related criteria. If one can express opinions without intending for a flame war, nothing happens to those threads. If a jihad happens, then you pretty much lose the thread, period.

Anything, whether opinion, information, or suggestion that is seen as intended to stir trouble, resentment, hostility or makes members take pitchforks against another is taken away without a second thought.

There is a fine line from what shouldn't be posted vs debating and respecting the opinions of others, even if you beg to differ.
I'm grateful for the info..
However... the thread I started was regarding an article I read and wanted to share. It was removed before any new posts could be made.
 
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Not understanding your last sentence - you're saying deaf parents talking about "letting" their deaf kids hear should not be allowed on AD?
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Most definitely not..
I'm saying that when I started a thread showing deaf parents making a decision for their child to have CI, this thread was removed in a flash..
As if arguments from those parents are not welcome here.

Already read the post from the Mod naisho that this is not the case..

So, I might try to start that thread again....
 
I'm grateful for the info..
However... the thread I started was regarding an article I read and wanted to share. It was removed before any new posts could be made.

Then it was clearly removed under guidelines, such as:

Anything, whether opinion, information, or suggestion that is seen as intended to stir trouble, resentment, hostility or makes members take pitchforks against another is taken away without a second thought.
 
In the post: but again, clickable here...
"If you start a thread here about deaf parents talking about their decision to let there deaf child hear (yes.. I use "let" again).. the thread will be removed asap..."

"Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to cochlearimplantonline.com
Suggestions:
Access a cached copy of cochlearimplanto*nline.*com/*site/*3787/*deaf-*parents-*cochlear-*implant-*story/*
Try reloading: cochlearimplanto*nline.*com/*site/*3787/*deaf-*parents-*cochlear-*implant-*story/*
Search on Google:"
 
"Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to cochlearimplantonline.com
Suggestions:
Access a cached copy of cochlearimplanto*nline.*com/*site/*3787/*deaf-*parents-*cochlear-*implant-*story/*
Try reloading: cochlearimplanto*nline.*com/*site/*3787/*deaf-*parents-*cochlear-*implant-*story/*
Search on Google:"

Do you happen to also have Firefox? It was a bit slow to load but came up just fine in the end for me using Firefox.
 
I don't use FireFox - it keeps hanging during page loading and freezing my Mac so I switched over to Chrome.
 
Saw the article finally...see Cloggy? Not all Deaf people are against CIs in kids.

I'm wondering if the deaf parent grew up with oralism and speech therapy herself. It states ASL as her primary language.
 
"Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to cochlearimplantonline.com
Suggestions:
Access a cached copy of cochlearimplanto*nline.*com/*site/*3787/*deaf-*parents-*cochlear-*implant-*story/*
Try reloading: cochlearimplanto*nline.*com/*site/*3787/*deaf-*parents-*cochlear-*implant-*story/*
Search on Google:"

I'm on chrome and the link works fine..
Don't search.. click the link..
 
Saw the article finally...see Cloggy? Not all Deaf people are against CIs in kids.

I'm wondering if the deaf parent grew up with oralism and speech therapy herself. It states ASL as her primary language.
No surprise.. I knew that... Have been talking to many d/Deaf pro CI people.. here and elsewhere...
Surprised?

The thread was started not because I found this astonishing... but to share information..
 
There have been all these videos circulating on facebook lately of infants being implanted and everyone being like OMG THEY CAN HEAR NOW!!!! Yes, their brain can process sound electronically, but your child is still deaf. People jump to CI when they have a deaf child because they think that the child cannot possibly lead a happy, fulfilling life without them. I'm not against CI, I just think that people should be able to make their own decisions regarding them. My friend who's deaf got her first CI when she was 8; she was old enough to know what was going on and had a say in the decision. My cousin who is deaf is 25 and thinking about getting the esteem implant when and if she can afford it. Again, it's her decision and no one else's.
Who said that?
That's not my experience...

It's interesting you say "..your child is still deaf."
I suddenly realise.. "deaf" is a label here... It's an identification for the group..
The child cannot hear without CI, so it is "deaf". It belongs in the deaf people world..
I see "deaf" as a physical thing... as "not able to hear".. Not a label, but a way to describe a function.

As a parent looking at his daughter listening & chatting away to her family, friends, on the telephone.. my daughter is not deaf. Her whole waking time is spent listening to sounds. And when she goes to sleep, she takes off the CI to be charged, and goes to sleep... after some more chatting...
If "deaf" means "cannot hear anything" or "cannot recognise speech".. then this child is not deaf.

So... she's "deaf" so that she can "belong" in the group with all other people that have been born deaf or became deaf. But otherwise .. she's not deaf.

She's been born deaf... now she can hear.
 
Who said that?
That's not my experience...

It's interesting you say "..your child is still deaf."
I suddenly realise.. "deaf" is a label here... It's an identification for the group..
The child cannot hear without CI, so it is "deaf". It belongs in the deaf people world..
I see "deaf" as a physical thing... as "not able to hear".. Not a label, but a way to describe a function.

As a parent looking at his daughter listening & chatting away to her family, friends, on the telephone.. my daughter is not deaf. Her whole waking time is spent listening to sounds. And when she goes to sleep, she takes off the CI to be charged, and goes to sleep... after some more chatting...
If "deaf" means "cannot hear anything" or "cannot recognise speech".. then this child is not deaf.

So... she's "deaf" so that she can "belong" in the group with all other people that have been born deaf or became deaf. But otherwise .. she's not deaf.

She's been born deaf... now she can hear.

Sigh...back to square one again.
 
There will alway be doubt at any decision one makes. Only time will remove the doubt bit by bit. And that goes both ways. Yes/no for CI.
People that choose not to let their child hear, and raise the child with signlanguage will also have their doubts about their decision. Only in time, seeing that their decision was good, that communication is established, friends are made, school is going well.. all these factors help to grind away the doubt.

Parents that make the choice for CI will have gone through an emotional process leading to their decision, and with it there will will be doubts. Will it work. How successful will it be... Only when CI is activated this doubt will be (for most) reduced when communication is established etc. like with the decision to raise a child deaf.
For me, and many other parents that have made the same decision, any doubts about making the decision TO have faded away. For some faster than for others..

The problems start - in any of the choices made - with communication. When this is not established from day 1, there will be problems. When the child cannot hear, and the parents don't use signs: there will be problems. When the child learns sign, but the parents don't: there will be problems. When the parents decide for CI, but do not establish a form of communication before the child can here: there will be problems. When a child has CI and the parents think that the problems are fixed now.. there will be problems..
When a someone that has been deaf all his/her life and decided to "try" a CI expecting to hear: there will be problems..

Any decision a parent (or any other person) takes regarding CI requires full involvement in the process. Whether learning to use sign language (fluently) or to (help) learn make sense out of the new input. No involvement - no success. And even with that.. success is not guaranteed..
Your child might be fluent in sign language, have many deaf friends, be happy in the Deaf world, but in a family setting the parents have to be interpreters.. Contact with the nearby family and friends is a problem. Your child might be able to hear with CI, but not enough to speak and listen to a conversation..
In the end, success is defined by expectations...

If you expect CI the give you hearing.. you might be disappointed. If you expect sign language is solving the communication gap, you might be disappointed.

But... when it works... when the decision turns out to be successful.. when all the studying you have done has paid off, when all the attention to your child proves to be working... parents have all the right to be proud of it, and to share it. Whether their child is deaf or can hear.

btw.. when you said "Even those who takes input from the deaf community or linquistics, are still under pressure from oralist."... this is perhaps even more strong the other way around.
The pressure from Deaf community might even be bigger. When part of Deaf community, one has to be very strong to consider CI.. Even stronger to go through with it.. Because... any hint of wanting to hear sounds is regarded as treason.. Let alone enjoying sounds....
Nobody wants to lose their family and friends...


Have you ever heard of doing both? Whats wrong with that?
 
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