Hearies view on a CI kid... its a bummer

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Damn! You mean Deaf people can achieve as much success as a hearing person without being able to speak? Dang!

Exactly who says differently?

Do you resent the fact that people can tell you are deaf when you speak, fuzzy?

I already said I am secure as to my worth, so no I don't give flying fart about that.

Don't play games with me woman, you are transparent. I know why you are doing when you write things like that. you can fool others, not me.

Uhhhh...that's put away his crack pipe, fuzzy. If you're going to use my lines, at least get 'em right.

You are unbeliveably petty.
And anyway stop obsessing about everything I write.

Fuzzy
 
It's labeled as a hypersensitivity to certain frequencies. I personally respond very kinesthetically to sound. Not tothe point that I am in pain, but to the point that I actually feel the sound in various parts of my body. But I also come from a family full of musicians who respond the same way, so in my case it is probably a genetic predisposition.

Thanks, I googled hypersinsitivity to sound and came up with Hyperacusis.
According to the description this is what she has. Treatment is spendy.
Now I have to find out if it bothers her enough to pay for treatment. Also need to get official diagnosis. But she just stays away from anything
with base sound and vibration. Actually makes her nauseous. Strange to
me. Thanks again
 
And WHO allowed him to do just that? Who DIDN'T allow him to ALSO have benefits from early implantation?

Fuzzy

Obviously, he did not need the early impantation to happy, well adjusted & capalbe.And, he still is allowed the freedom to choose implantaion at any time he desires. And had he expressed a desire to be implanted at an age where he was capable of understanding the implications, I would have conceeded to his request. My son was given the freedom to explore his identity without being pushed or pulled in any particular direction based on my needs for him rather than his needs for himself. You seem to have a great deal of difficulty in grasping that concept.
 
Exactly who says differently?

Ummmm....that would be you. Post 391 inthe closed thread, and I quote: "A hadicapped person is never able to achieve more than a non-handicapped person." And, since you have already defined deafness as a handicap. that would logically lead to the conclusion that a deaf person is incapable of achieving at the same level as the non-deaf.

I already said I am secure as to my worth, so no I don't give flying fart about that.

Don't play games with me woman, you are transparent. I know why you are doing when you write things like that. you can fool others, not me.

Yep, fuzzy, you're a regular Einstein, you are.:giggle:



You are unbeliveably petty.
And anyway stop obsessing about everything I write.

Then stop throwingit out there for everyone to see. Sometimes it would be best never to let some thoughts out of one's head.
 
Thanks, I googled hypersinsitivity to sound and came up with Hyperacusis.
According to the description this is what she has. Treatment is spendy.
Now I have to find out if it bothers her enough to pay for treatment. Also need to get official diagnosis. But she just stays away from anything
with base sound and vibration. Actually makes her nauseous. Strange to
me. Thanks again

You are more than welcome, fredfam! Anytime.
 
Obviously, he did not need the early impantation to happy, well adjusted & capalbe
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I never said your son, or anyone for that matter, needs early implantation to be well adjusted, capable and happy.



And, he still is allowed the freedom to choose implantaion at any time he desires.

yes, but since he missed the window of opportunity he will never have as good a benefits from CI as he would if implanted early. And because of that he can not chose if he wants to be "hearing" or "deaf". You chose it.

My son was given the freedom to explore his identity without being pushed or pulled in any particular direction based on my needs for him rather than his needs for himself.

NO HE WASN'T. OH, NO HE WASN'T. He deals with what YOU have choosed for him. And because of the missed "window of opportunity", he now has no choice at all.

You seem to have a great deal of difficulty in grasping that concept.

Or, maybe it's YOU.

Ummmm....that would be you. Post 391 inthe closed thread, and I quote: "A hadicapped person is never able to achieve more than a non-handicapped person." And, since you have already defined deafness as a handicap. that would logically lead to the conclusion that a deaf person is incapable of achieving at the same level as the non-deaf.


NOPE. That is not what it says, Einstein. Not my fault you can not comprehend this:

"A hadicapped person is never able to achieve more than a non-handicapped person."


someday you will. maybe. I'll give you a clue - the above quote works vice versa, too!

Fuzzy
 
NO HE WASN'T. OH, NO HE WASN'T. He deals with what YOU have choosed for him. And because of the missed "window of opportunity", he now has no choice at all.

Jillio did not choosed him anything, She let him be who he is a person that was born deaf, raised deaf. He may not hear through his ears all the nice things she says to him, but she showed him that she loves him is the most important thing and she did help him learn, grow, helped him take in information through his eyes, and given her son many opportuntites in communication. she was always there for him totally there! because why? She was very accepting and accomodating to her son for who he is.


Who gives a damn about having hearing, and who gives a damn about window of opportunity. If her son has advance in developement of language skills then that's all it should matters.
 
Who gives a damn about having hearing, and who gives a damn about window of opportunity. If her son has advance in developement of language skills then that's all it should matters.


he could have all that PLUS he can hear.

besides, you say you are all for "choice"?
Where is the choice when the window of oportunity is missed? nowhere. or, more precise- not as good.

Jillio, as many other parents, chose the deaf way for her son. That doesn't mean she doesn't love him - I never said that. Of course she loves him.

You Cheri would understand things better if you let your past go. You are still looking thru your painful early childhood experience. Your experince was NOT good, I know and admit that, but it also prevents you from being truly objective.

Imagine in additon to your oral skills you were also given an opportunity to sign and all.
In essence, you would be what you are now, but without the heartache.

Fuzzy
 
You Cheri would understand things better if you let your past go. You are still looking thru your painful early childhood experience. Your experince was NOT good, I know and admit that, but it also prevents you from being truly objective.

Imagine in additon to your oral skills you were also given an opportunity to sign and all.
In essence, you would be what you are now, but without the heartache.

Fuzzy

Just because I care about the future deaf and present deaf kids, I should not help them is that what you're saying? Seems even so to me.


Looking back at my past experience and others who shared their similar stories as mine, I can see for matter of fact that hearing parents have no experience or knowledge of the deaf community, Many parents do not know Sign Language And, there are deaf children who do not know other deaf children.

It's important to listen to us because of our experiences we don't want to see other deaf children to go through the painful experience that we went Thu. It's important to give those deaf children good education, many communication modes variety of different language and develop their language skills, the deaf can function as well as anyone else hearing or not.
 
Just because I care about the future deaf and present deaf kids, I should not help them is that what you're saying? Seems even so to me.

Define "help them".

Looking back at my past experience and others who shared their similar stories as mine, I can see for matter of fact that hearing parents have no experience or knowledge of the deaf community, Many parents do not know Sign Language And, there are deaf children who do not know other deaf children.

yes, I remember that, and that is unfortunate - but it has nothing to do with receiving CI benefits if implanted early.
After all YOU were NOT implanted.

It's important to listen to us because of our experiences we don't want to see other deaf children to go through the painful experience that we went Thu.

absolutely and that is why i advocate use both- CI + hearing world and ASL + deaf world.
this is based on my own experiences, too.

It's important to give those deaf children good education, many communication modes variety of different language and develop their language skills, the deaf can function as well as anyone else hearing or not.

True, but with the additional benefits of CI it all could come easier, faster, better.

Fuzzy
 
:roll: Here we go again with the "cochlear implant" issue. I'm not even interesting even discussing this. You don't care what I think, so why should I care about what you think Fuzzy?

It's not even worth debating with you. Farewell!
 
You don't care what I think, so why should I care about what you think Fuzzy?

I do care, but I see faults in your thinking, so I try to address that.
Likewise I don't see you caring about my POV, so whatever -OK, farewell.

Fuzzy
 
It's labeled as a hypersensitivity to certain frequencies. I personally respond very kinesthetically to sound. Not tothe point that I am in pain, but to the point that I actually feel the sound in various parts of my body. But I also come from a family full of musicians who respond the same way, so in my case it is probably a genetic predisposition.


My daughter is soooo excited! She now has a name for her problem. She
jumped up and down and said, "Thats ME!" She's so releived, she said, "It's great to know its not all in my head, well, yes it is, but you know what I mean!" Below is the name of her condition and the symptoms.

The Result of Recruitment
The result of this recruitment causes us two basic problems.

First, the sounds reaching our brains appear to be much louder that normal. This is because the recruited hair cells still function in their original critical bands and also in the adjacent one(s) they have been recruited into.

Remember that when any hair cell in a critical band is stimulated, the whole critical band sends a signal to our brains. So the original critical band sends one unit of sound to our brains, and at the same time, since the same hair cell is now recruited to an adjacent critical band, it stimulates that critical band also. Thus, another unit of sound is sent to our brains. Hence, we perceive the sound as twice as loud as normal.

If our hearing loss is severe, a given hair cell may be recruited into several critical bands at the same time. Thus our ears could be sending, for example, eight units of sound to our brains and we now perceive that sound as eight times louder than normal. You can readily see how sounds can get painfully loud very fast! This is when we complain of our recruitment.

In fact, if you have severe recruitment, when a sound becomes loud enough for you to hear, it is already too loud for you to stand.

The second result of recruitment is "fuzzy" hearing. Since each critical band sends one signal at the frequency of that critical band, when hair cells get recruited into adjacent bands, they stimulate each critical band they are a member of to send their signals also. Consequently, instead of hearing just one frequency for a given syllable of sound, for example, perhaps our brains now receive eight signals at the same time—each one at a different frequency.

The result is that we now often cannot distinguish similar sounding words from each other. They all sound about the same to us. We are not sure if the person said the word "run" or was it "dumb," or "thumb," or "done," or "sun," or? In other words, we have problems with discrimination as well as with volume. If our recruitment is bad, our discrimination scores likely will go way down.

When this happens, basically all we hear is either silence or loud noise with little intelligence in it. Speech, when it is loud enough for us to even hear it, becomes just so much meaningless noise.

This is why many people with severe recruitment cannot successfully wear hearing aids. Their hearing aids make all sounds too loud—so that they hurt. Also, hearing aids cannot correct the results of our poor discrimination. We still "hear" meaningless gibberish.

However, people with lesser recruitment problems will find much help from properly adjusted hearing aids. Most modern hearing aids have some sort of "compression" circuits in them. When the compression is adjusted properly for our ears, these hearing aids can do a remarkable job of compensating for our recruitment problems.
 
Obviously, he did not need the early impantation to happy, well adjusted & capalbe.
Obviously, you have no idea about CI. Being happy, adjusted and capable is not the reason for implantation. It has to do with being able to hear, and from there to understand speach. It has to do with communication.

And, he still is allowed the freedom to choose implantaion at any time he desires. And had he expressed a desire to be implanted at an age where he was capable of understanding the implications, I would have conceeded to his request.
Obviously, his freedom to choose CI when he wants is a reduced option because his abilities with CI will never be as good as it could have been.. This because you forced him not to hear.

My son was given the freedom to explore his identity without being pushed or pulled in any particular direction based on my needs for him rather than his needs for himself. You seem to have a great deal of difficulty in grasping that concept.
Obviously, he did not have the freedom to choose. He was too small. You forced him to go through life deaf, without hearing, and that was the basis for his identity. Had you forced him to be deaf and hear, then that would be his identity. Identity is not something you are born with, it is something society around the child is forcing upon the child.
One is not born with a "christian" identity, or "islam" identity. On is not born with a "deaf" identity.
 
Yea, I know! I didnt realize that until Cloggy pointed that out about deaf people not being able to hear with HAs. That is just sooooo fascinating how my HAs were a cover-up! :giggle:

Pretty sad, that you still haven't figuered out that when a person is not able to hear with a HA, a cochlea implant will make it possible to hear again. And often - as many here have explained - better that with the HA.

But you just giggle along.... it suits you!
 
Obviously, you have no idea about CI. Being happy, adjusted and capable is not the reason for implantation. It has to do with being able to hear, and from there to understand speach. It has to do with communication.

A very important and excellent point Cloggy. in these discussion the most obvious thing - CI is but a hearing aid - is so forgotten. What also matters is what KIND of hearing aid it is, and what benefits it offers. nonetheless it's but a hearing aid.



Obviously, his freedom to choose CI when he wants is a reduced option
because his abilities with CI will never be as good as it could have been..


BINGO.

This is why early implanation is so important.




Obviously, he did not have the freedom to choose. He was too small.
Exactly.
if one decides a deaf child to "leave it in his natural state" - then why all those AVT, speech therapies and all that later on?


Fuzzy
 
Jillio:
Obviously, he did not need the early impantation to happy, well adjusted & capalbe.

Obviously, you have no idea about CI. Being happy, adjusted and capable is not the reason for implantation. It has to do with being able to hear, and from there to understand speach. It has to do with communication.

Jillio:
And, he still is allowed the freedom to choose implantaion at any time he desires. And had he expressed a desire to be implanted at an age where he was capable of understanding the implications, I would have conceeded to his request.

Obviously, his freedom to choose Ci when he wants is a reduced option because his abilities with CI will never be as good as it could have been..

Jillio:
My son was given the freedom to explore his identity without being pushed or pulled in any particular direction based on my needs for him rather than his needs for himself. You seem to have a great deal of difficulty in grasping that concept.

Obviously, he did not have the freedom to choose. He was too small. You forced him to go through life deaf, without hearing, and that was the basis for his identity. HAd you forced him to be deaf and hear, then that would be his identity. Identity is not something you are born with, it is something society around the child is forcing upon the child.

One is not born with a "christian" identity, or "islam" identity.
 
Pretty sad, that you still haven't figuered out that when a person is not able to hear with a HA, a cochlea implant will make it possible to hear again. And often - as many here have explained - better that with the HA.

But you just giggle along.... it suits you!

Not be able to hear with a HA? Last night, I was dancing to old 80s music that was playing on the TV. If I take them off then I "cant" hear the music. Big difference

"Cant hear" or "cant hear as well" mean two different things...
 
Obviously, he did not have the freedom to choose. He was too small. You forced him to go through life deaf, without hearing, and that was the basis for his identity. HAd you forced him to be deaf and hear, then that would be his identity. Identity is not something you are born with, it is something society around the child is forcing upon the child.

One is not born with a "christian" identity, or "islam" identity.

Oh blimey!!! CLOGGY !!! Geezh !!! How about you too forced your daughter to be hear with C.I. eh when she have no choice as while she was very young.
CLOGGY.. doesn't we all*DEAF PEOPLE ALLOW TO LIVING IN THIS SAME UNIVERSE AS YOU ? ONLY YOUR DAUGHTER TO BE ALLOW LIVING IN THIS SAME UNVERISE AS YOU* :ugh3:

:roll: You are so unbelievable because you're so closed minded person i ever have to know here also this other person who is Fuzzy too .
 
Cloggy,


Obviously, Either did your daughter did not have the freedom to choose. You forced cochlear implant on her and forced her to go through life being hearing because of that you're hearing. You even choose to let her participle in the hearing world, reply on speech, no needed to continue signs, no needed to participle her in the deaf world. What makes you a better parent than Jillio?
 
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