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Processing problems.
Hearies view on a CI kid... its a bummer
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Yes, exactly. I have one hearing woman on my MSN who told me that as a child her speech was so terrible that the school threatened to kick her out. I was like are you serious? She's serious.
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Sorry Tousie. I didn't mean to give you an abrupt answer, but I had a student come in that I needed to speak with.
This may sound a bit off topic, but I think if you will bear with me, you will see how it realtes.
Have you ever heard the term "tone deaf" when referring to someone's ability to reproduce an exact muscial note? Well, that term is a misnomer. If I play a middle C on the piano to two different people, they will both hear exactly the same thing. However, when asked to reproduce that tone vocally, one will be able to reproduce it exactly, and one will reproduce it perhaps a 1/2 step or a step off. That is because even though they have heard the same note to the same degree of clarity, one processes it neurologically the same, and one processes it neurologically with a slight variance. Likewise, if Iplay the same not on a piano, and ask the same indiviudals to reproduce it on the keyboard without seeing the exact note I have played, one will be able to play the middle C and one will raise or lower it a 1/2 step or a full step.
Have I made it even more confusing, or does that help?
This may sound a bit off topic, but I think if you will bear with me, you will see how it realtes.
Have you ever heard the term "tone deaf" when referring to someone's ability to reproduce an exact muscial note? Well, that term is a misnomer. If I play a middle C on the piano to two different people, they will both hear exactly the same thing. However, when asked to reproduce that tone vocally, one will be able to reproduce it exactly, and one will reproduce it perhaps a 1/2 step or a step off. That is because even though they have heard the same note to the same degree of clarity, one processes it neurologically the same, and one processes it neurologically with a slight variance. Likewise, if Iplay the same not on a piano, and ask the same indiviudals to reproduce it on the keyboard without seeing the exact note I have played, one will be able to play the middle C and one will raise or lower it a 1/2 step or a full step.
Have I made it even more confusing, or does that help?
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Okay so if one is totally immersed in the program and has skilled guidance and takes as long as necessary (I'm guessing a good 2-5 yrs) they could overcome these processing problems? Any idea of the percentage of those who fail to overcome these processing problems? I'm gonna assume we are talking about someone deafened at birth vs, say, someone going deaf at 25.
I'm just trying to get my mind around this because, for myself anyway, give me enough clear amplification and I'm pretty much right there, both aurally and orally. I do admit that I need to be vigilant when speaking lest I speak in a monotone. Maybe I can clear that up by simply harnessing my diaphram, lol.
There's another person here on the board who for all intents and purposes is "a hearing person"; however he has single-sided deafness that apparently bothers(ed) him to no end and I find that fascinating but then that's because I don't know anything, lol. I'm digressing now in the hope that this guy can shed a little more light on it.
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That's horrible!
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Actually, the processing difficulties are pretty much innate in these cases. The exception would be traumatic brain injury. And,there are techniques that can modify what is produced by pushing up, pushing down, etc with the diapragm so that one physically modfies what has been processed. But the processing remains the same. To go back to my musical example, you can train a vocalist to push up a 1/2 step to the correct note, but they have to do it consciously and be aware of the physical modification. They still process it as a 1/2 step off.
And given time, one can achieve a reasonable degree of success. However, the time spent in the mechanics, particularly in regard to a young deaf child, is time lost in acquisition of language. That is where the problem lies.
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Re: the unilateral deafness.....our brains are meant to process sound from bilateral stimuli. To loose one side means that the brain is unable to process the stimuli completely. I.E. loss of location, tone, etc.
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Agreed, that is a factor as well, and an attitude that is routinely taught in medical school, and reinforced by the majority of society.
Sheesh! Don't they provide speech therapist at school? I thought all schools provide speech programs for those who need it.
That's a big "If" it'll work the microphone has to picks up sound, You can't expect so much out of cochlear implant, they're not miracle devices. I think cochlear implant is a greater responsiblity decision to make on a child.
Maybe she cares about what we think more than you would care about how we think. See the differences?
I'm more like jillio, If I have a blind child, I would talk and ask someone who had experiecing in raising a blind child, I would take every suggestion seriously. Would you? I haven't seen you taking our suggestion any serious when we tried advise you that sign was very important to be added in the child's life and keep using it. What did you do? You decide well, my daugher reply on speech. Doesn't seem any important to you on what we have to offer to you doesn't it?
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I have to disagree on that.. I have biletaral severe/profound loss and I wear hearing aids but I cannot get crispy sounds.. I am heavily dependant on lip reading..hearing aids amplify sound to my hearing levels but this is not enough cuz I have highly damaged cochlea ,so my brain get distorted sounds when it comes to speech even if it is loud enough .
A child with a loss smilar to mine ( that means profound loss) wouldn't be able to get enough speech information via has..I'm sure of this due to my experience. CI would do a much better job for the child if parents wish the child to 'hear' some.. ( assuming that there is no any other medical factor for not implanting)
That's not even true, You don't have to hear thru hearing aids or cochear implant to be able to speak. Speech is presented to anyone, deaf, hoh, hearing, etc.
I'm deaf and I have wonderful speech skills, most people thought I was hearing. I've even had some hearings who would whisper in my ears, and forgot that I was deaf. I thought it was cute.
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That's not even true, You don't have to hear thru hearing aids or cochear implant to be able to speak. Speech is presented to anyone, deaf, hoh, hearing, etc.
I'm deaf and I have wonderful speech skills, most people thought I was hearing. I've even had some hearings who would whisper in my ears, and forgot that I was deaf. I thought it was cute.
you weren't born deaf .. you became hard of hearing (or deaf ) at 5 ( if I don't know wrong ) and then you slowly went deaf.. that's a different story.
Infants or childrens with a severe or profound hearing loss need a small, robust, and durable hearing aid that can provide the necessary gain to ensure that the child has the best hearing possible during the critical period for speech and language....
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Gain is not enough for very high losses.. the child may hear sounds in that case but speech would be distorted in most case.. that's why CIs are designed .
A hearing aid may amplify sounds to required level but due to high damage to cochlea , speech becomes distorted..I've been experiencing this for such many years.. loud enough but distorted sounds via ha.
Let's get the fact straight, my parents recovered that we were deaf at the age of 5 nobody really knows if we were born deaf, or we lost our hearing throughout the years before the age of five. As I remember we could hear music better before than we do now.
That doesn't mean I use my ears to hear to be able to speak, anyone can learn to speak. That's why we have speech therapist for.
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