Hearies view on a CI kid... its a bummer

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Cloggy said:
Nonsense!
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Why is it non-sense?, Jillo brought up a good point. Why are you trying to shut your daughter out on the other side of the world? I'm very curious on your point of view, Cloggy.
 
Cloggy said:
Nonsense!
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Oh really? I felt like a 2nd class citizen growing up cuz I had nobody to really relate to. Now, I have people I can relate to so I feel a lot better about myself.
 
Cheri said:
Why is it non-sense?, Jillo brought up a good point. Why are you trying to shut your daughter out on the other side of the world? I'm very curious on your point of view, Cloggy.
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I agree with u. It doesnt make sense. *sighs*
 
Cheri said:
Deaf children with cochlear implants don't have free will to choose, Parents make the choice which world the child should explore to, while we advise that the child should be included in both worlds, don't you think it'll be fair for the child to know both worlds?
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Good post, Cherie but let's be fair and say there are some parents who expose their CI child to both worlds. I just don't know how many there are, tho.....I can only hope there's lots.
 
Tousi said:
Good post, Cherie but let's be fair and say there are some parents who expose their CI child to both worlds. I just don't know how many there are, tho.....I can only hope there's lots.
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I hope so too. :fingersx:
 
Tousi said:
Good post, Cherie but let's be fair and say there are some parents who expose their CI child to both worlds. I just don't know how many there are, tho.....I can only hope there's lots.
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I know of some that do. They are great! :)
 
Ahhhh, what a respite; an infusion of positiveness for a change from you two! Thanks...this is a tough and hot topic, hotter than Cheri's new smoke pager, lol.
 
Tousi said:
Ahhhh, what a respite; an infusion of positiveness for a change from you two! Thanks...this is a tough and hot topic, hotter than Cheri's new smoke pager, lol.
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Those parents who had their children implanted and enrolled their children in our program have faith in using both ASL and spoken language.
 
jillio said:
Why must a child be made to struggle to speak and/or hear at all?
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I agree.

That is why I am so opposed to the philosophy that denies a child who does not benefit from HAs a cochlear implant but would rather have them continue to pursue oral speech and language as the primary mode of communication without a cochlear implant and to struggle. It was one of the reasons why we chose the cochlear implant for our child. It is also one of the reasons we rejected AVT for our daughter.

I can tell you that the cochlear implant has had a tremendous impact upon my child's life and most definitely yes, it has made her life easier. For her, there was no struggle to learn to speak and/or hear.
 
Cheri said:
Deaf children with cochlear implants don't have free will to choose, Parents make the choice which world the child should explore to, while we advise that the child should be included in both worlds, don't you think it'll be fair for the child to know both worlds?
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Sounds like you changed the situation that Neecy was in and to the response that Fuzzy had some of the people from the school in question. Sounds more of a denial.
 
jillio said:
Hmmmm. And why wasn't it a possibility?
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I think I'm with Neecy on this one. I nearly got sent to a deaf residential school when I was aged 11 too, but I think I would not have enjoyed being separated from my family. My mother was able to get a new job in an area with better education so it didn't happen. I do remember at the time though that it was a recession and she was applying for jobs for months and months before she scored a hit.

I would have been happy with a supportive mainstream placement but with lots of regular access to other deaf young people where possible e.g. at a youth club, sleep overs and summer camps for example.

I think these days hearing parents are less willing to send away deaf children from home because they want a closer relationship with them. Is that really a bad thing?
 
Cloggy said:
Some people have a life where they live.!
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And some people are willing to make a different life to provide what they beileve is right for their chidlren. Doesn't mean it is necesary to abandon one for the other. Just willingness to make a change.
 
R2D2 said:
I think I'm with Neecy on this one. I nearly got sent to a deaf residential school when I was aged 11 too, but I think I would not have enjoyed being separated from my family. My mother was able to get a new job in an area with better education so it didn't happen. I do remember at the time though that it was a recession and she was applying for jobs for months and months before she scored a hit.

I would have been happy with a supportive mainstream placement but with lots of regular access to other deaf young people where possible e.g. at a youth club, sleep overs and summer camps for example.

I think these days hearing parents are less willing to send away deaf children from home because they want a closer relationship with them. Is that really a bad thing?
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No not at all.

However, if the hearing parents refuse to send their child to stay in the dorms but at the same time dont learn ASL if that's the only language their child is able of communicating especially if the child is very young and isnt writing yet? What do u think if that?
 
dreama said:
Most of my Real life friends are hearing and sighted. However, I find I relate better to other deafblind people as we share experience that my hearing sighted friends don't have so don't really understand.
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Exactly. And that sameness of experience is a very real, universally human need.
 
neecy said:
For one, the other deaf institutes in other provinces (I live in Canada) were boarding schools as well, and for another, my parents didn't have the financial means to move out of province and both find new jobs. The area we were going to move to near Jericho Hill School for the Deaf was in a place where both my parents could have transferred their jobs. Out of province wasn't a possibility. Is that sufficient enough or do I need to go into greater detail?
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No need to get defensive. I simply asked a question. So there were no day programs in your area?
 
because she is still deaf without her implant...and it's fun signing with other deaf children 2....let a kid be a kid
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Exactly.........why should a dhh kid have to live life as an eternal speech therapy session? Even if a kid can speak, often times there's issues like having a "deaf voice" or mispronouncing words or overusing the word "What?" Maybe too, since the gross majority of dhh kids are VISUAL learners, Sign would really capitalize on that strengh, and they could achieve more!
rick48,
If I recall correctly, your daughter lost her hearing right? She didn't have to start from scratch. Plus, I mean there have ALWAYS been dhh kids who could effortlessly pick up oral skills. Even back in the days when everyone wore body worn aids. Plus even if a kid can hear and speak pretty well it doesn't mean that that's the only tool that should be in their toolboxes. I'm VERY oral (and enough so that I have a VERY high verbal IQ and scored 660 on the verbal portion of the SATs) and yet, I always felt like MORE tools would have been useful for me. Maybe then I wouldn't have had to struggle to learn in school.
 
rick48 said:
I agree.

That is why I am so opposed to the philosophy that denies a child who does not benefit from HAs a cochlear implant but would rather have them continue to pursue oral speech and language as the primary mode of communication without a cochlear implant and to struggle. It was one of the reasons why we chose the cochlear implant for our child. It is also one of the reasons we rejected AVT for our daughter.

I can tell you that the cochlear implant has had a tremendous impact upon my child's life and most definitely yes, it has made her life easier. For her, there was no struggle to learn to speak and/or hear.
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As usual, you totally missed the point of the question. And if it was no struggle, why the AVT? Also, haven't you said that your daughter was post lingual?
 
R2D2 said:
I think I'm with Neecy on this one. I nearly got sent to a deaf residential school when I was aged 11 too, but I think I would not have enjoyed being separated from my family. My mother was able to get a new job in an area with better education so it didn't happen. I do remember at the time though that it was a recession and she was applying for jobs for months and months before she scored a hit.

I would have been happy with a supportive mainstream placement but with lots of regular access to other deaf young people where possible e.g. at a youth club, sleep overs and summer camps for example.

I think these days hearing parents are less willing to send away deaf children from home because they want a closer relationship with them. Is that really a bad thing?
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No, of course its not a bad thing. It is a perfectly natural thing. Which is why, as Ihave said, I relocated in order that my son could attend a deaf school as a day student. He was home with me every evening.
 
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Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy
I am all for deaf culture ON ONE'S FREE WILL.
Fuzzy

Deaf children with cochlear implants don't have free will to choose, Parents make the choice which world the child should explore to, while we advise that the child should be included in both worlds, don't you think it'll be fair for the child to know both worlds?
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Deaf parents keeping their children AWAY from CI are also not giving them FREE WILL to chose, but make choice for their children by themselves.

Don't forget the CI will work at its optimal only when implanted EARLY.
It works both ways, hon.

And don't give me ""while we advise that the child should be included in both worlds"" because such a position is a rarity here.

Just read some replies:

FYI, I am against CI itself, not your deaf children. Understand ? I really wish that the company DON'T invent that CI in the first place.
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And my son,too has oral skills and no implant.
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""My view is a choice to have the cochlear implant, where's the child's choice in this? That's my point. ""


haha, "let the child decide" WHILE Don't forget the CI will work at its optimal only when implanted EARLY.


so no CI for your kids from YOU either, huh Cheri? what happened to the "best of BOTH worlds"?



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