Health Care to "control the people"

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jillio said:
Yes, it is still a choice. Just because you don't like the consequences of making that choice doesn't mean that the choice is not available to you. Refusing to exercise your choice does not mean that anything has been taken away from you. It simply means you have decided not to make a choice.
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The question is, will Americans be required to choose between obeying a law or breaking it? That is, will it be illegal for Americans to refuse to pay into the health care program if they don't want to use it?
 
Reba said:
The question is, will Americans be required to choose between obeying a law or breaking it? That is, will it be illegal for Americans to refuse to pay into the health care program if they don't want to use it?
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That's what the courts are for. I am curious as to the outcome myself. I expect a lot of court cases from people challenging this.
 
Reba said:
The question is, will Americans be required to choose between obeying a law or breaking it? That is, will it be illegal for Americans to refuse to pay into the health care program if they don't want to use it?
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Yup, if you don't want get insurance so you have pay penalty fee, of course.

I would like US Supreme Court to hear on issue with mandatory insurance coverage if it is constitutional or not.

For me, health care bill is fine, except for mandatory insurance and I don't think it is good idea and need something to deal with uninsured patients.

Sometime, I feel that hospitals should deny the treatment to uninsured patients, including ER visits and any kind of diseases.
 
Reba said:
The question is, will Americans be required to choose between obeying a law or breaking it? That is, will it be illegal for Americans to refuse to pay into the health care program if they don't want to use it?
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I have a feeling pro-choicers wouldn't accept it if I said "Hey, I think abortion should be illegal, but I'm still pro-choice. I just want to change the consequences. You'll still have the choice to have an abortion, except now, the consequence will be that you get thrown in prison for life. You just don't like the consequence. Cowards."

I'm a law and order type but laws like this undermine the credibility of the law. The law should protect citizens from theft, fraud, corruption, violence, etc.. When an otherwise law-abiding citizen is forced to break the law in order to make a previously uncontroversial choice, that makes it harder to be a law and order type.
 
Beowulf said:
Virginia's argument about the Commerce Clause in the constitution sounds awfully weak, but we will see how it plays out.
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I think the article misstates the issue a bit. It's not so much that it violates the commerce clause, but rather, it is not justified by the commerce clause. According to the Constitution, Congress only has powers that are specifically enumerated. Most of them are listed in article I, section 8, although more are scattered throughout. Congress is trying to justify the mandate as regulating commerce among the states. No reasonable person would take that to mean they can compel people who don't want to engage in commerce to engage in commerce. That's just not the definition of regulation. If I want to cross state lines to sell stuff, they can regulate how I do business. It doesn't mean they can force someone to buy my stuff. Certainly, that's not how the people who ratified the Constitution understood the clause and at no time has the Constitution been amended to reflect a change in meaning.
 
Reba said:
The question is, will Americans be required to choose between obeying a law or breaking it? That is, will it be illegal for Americans to refuse to pay into the health care program if they don't want to use it?
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Many choices come down to that. It is still a choice. Just because you CHOOSE not to put yourself in the position of paying the price doesn't mean you don't have a CHOICE. It depends on how much you choose to stand by your philosophy.
 
jillio said:
Many choices come down to that. It is still a choice. Just because you CHOOSE not to put yourself in the position of paying the price doesn't mean you don't have a CHOICE. It depends on how much you choose to stand by your philosophy.
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You didn't answer my question.

"The question is, will Americans be required to choose between obeying a law or breaking it? That is, will it be illegal for Americans to refuse to pay into the health care program if they don't want to use it?"

Is it a tax or not?
 
Perhaps you don't notice but many people here do.
 
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