Golden Window

[ambrosia]

well the practice is done to help along what is called thought experiments for others who may be having difficulty in grasping certain ideas or have mental blocks in understanding thso difficult ideas.
thats one reason its used.




in regards to my statements i was trying to convey to you and others the feeling WE Deaf felt when our wishes and very statements where ignored and disregarded and ci was literally rammed into us..
now

the world has something that it similar to that..
ill let yoru mind fill in the rest..



see above to help you better understand my statement.



well this what i'm NOT doing
i'm not on another cultures and peoples board Not being one of them, arguing with them about their history and what they went and go through and im NOt telling those other people, that they have it wrong and so on and so forth..
i'm NOT doing that..

unlike you..

anyway
shrugs shoulders..

I know WHY you did it. I actually don't even have any problems with the fact that you did. You feel how you feel, and that's okay. I just think it's hilarious that's you're denying you compared true two.

You may have noticed that this part of the forum is for hearing aids and cochlear implants. There is not just one way to be deaf. This forum is alldeaf, all the ways of being deaf. It's not JUST for the Deaf. If Alex hadn't wanted people with them talking about them I doubt he would have created the section. This is not your personal corner of the sandbox buddy......in fact since here I am wearing my CI posting in the CI section.....I dare maybe I have more of right to be here than you do. I have been through the process and answer questions with actual first hand experience.

 

[C-NICE]

in regards to my statements i was trying to convey to you and others the feeling WE Deaf felt when our wishes and very statements where ignored and disregarded and ci was literally rammed into us..
now

Has the thought ever crossed your mind that these people would not be working with CI kids and making the recommendations they do without knowing their jobs?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech-language_pathology#Education_and_training

 

[hoichi]

The Cochlear implant companies don't deny anybody anything.

so we are all lying, the books i cited, the academic peer reviewed papers, our very own testimonials form our own culture, survivor groups int he thousands they are all lying according to you..

how many of the cites and works that i posted and recommended have your read?

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They have nothing to do with anything other than supplying the equipment.

this is rather like stating this
drug cartels have nothing to do with the violence in american cities they only provide the drugs.....

OIC...

The doctors, speech pathologists etc are the ones that guide the parents on how they should proceed. So if you want to get mad at anyone, get mad at them. I have an Advanced Bionic. Know how much dealings I had with the company directly? None. Whatsoever.

this isnt just about you ambrosia as hard as you may find that to believe.
it is termed the COMBINED SYSTEM, the CI manufacturers and producers are very much a part of it, they are stake holders in the orlaist system they even sit on each others boards even have founded oralists organizations
do i really have to embarrass you here?
you are demonstrating you knwo very little about this subject....

here just the top of my head..and i knwo this wont matter for you but im posting this for others..

dr.karl r white, founded the national centre for hearing assessment and management in utah state university the NCHAM in partnership with the CI industry heavily promotes AO as part of early intervention. this regime is very against the idea of any deaf learning ASL..and actually works to make sure it does not occur..

the CI industry is heavily stakeholders in orlalsim OBVIOUSLY...and they actually are a aprt of the same organizations, down the line, they even go to each others dinners, yes we know what they eat for breakfast..

tell me

why do you have it in your head you an outsider, a stranger, someone who is NOT deaf, NOT a part of our culture or community or history seem to have it that you can make statements and even be taken for anything?

care to explain?

can i use this trick on a woman's board?

if your going to claim we are all liars and all the works that i cited and provided are all written by liars then why are you even here?

besides to spread your religion of CI amongst the non adherents..

how many of the cites and works i provided to you have you even read?
how many pages?

and you want to tell us how it is?

yeah lady

spare us..

 

[hoichi]

I know WHY you did it. I actually don't even have any problems with the fact that you did. You feel how you feel, and that's okay. I just think it's hilarious that's you're denying you compared true two.

if thats how you see it cool

You may have noticed that this part of the forum is for hearing aids and cochlear implants. There is not just one way to be deaf. This forum is alldeaf, all the ways of being deaf. It's not JUST for the Deaf.

indeed and i never stated otherwise but this thread we have been discussing Deaf..and your not one of us...i wouldn't presume to go to a oh i dunno a women's board, native or black board and tell them their history is wrong and they have it all wrong and that the books they recommended are all full of it, and that they should just well coem around and listen to the outsiders who know best for them....
i wouldn't be doing that..
why are you?

and this forum all views are allowed in regard sot CI, i know that sucks for you but thats how it is..

If Alex hadn't wanted people with them talking about them I doubt he would have created the section. This is not your personal corner of the sandbox buddy......in fact since here I am wearing my CI posting in the CI section.....I dare maybe I have more of right to be here than you do. I have been through the process and answer questions with actual first hand experience.

i want people to discuss it, unlike you and others i never move to shut anyone up. i enjoy these discussions, i even tell cnice to post more...so i can deconstruct the bullshit... i i enjoy this...want more of them...we NEED to discuss this...

your just some women who got drilled into and now is some missionary for a product..

for others like me, we've been in this for 30 years or more, and seen what has happened to our very community and culture our very eyes have seen it.....so...

this is about our future..our people, our culture..

yeah i know you have product loyalty, i get it..

cool

im trying to tell you

loyalty to a product is a pale horse compared to ones loyalty to their people..to language, their culture..

for what its worth

always a pleasure

and i hope one day you can see it

 

[Jezie]

The Cochlear implant companies don't deny anybody anything. They have nothing to do with anything other than supplying the equipment.

The doctors, speech pathologists etc are the ones that guide the parents on how they should proceed. So if you want to get mad at anyone, get mad at them. I have an Advanced Bionic. Know how much dealings I had with the company directly? None. Whatsoever.

Cute... and still not saying much... you are an adult... less of interest and consequence... you had hearing and want it back, not much promotion needed... you are not prelingual deaf and are not harmed by the CI... however, how much, dealings as you call them, do you think doctors, and the like have with the companies? How do drugs and devices get to patients again? How are the guidelines developed? You think doctors and the like doing the surgical procedures and other treatments come up with it on their own?

 

[Jezie]

Has the thought ever crossed your mind that these people would not be working with CI kids and making the recommendations they do without knowing their jobs?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech-language_pathology#Education_and_training

So one answer is all you can manage? Ah well... you do realize that Wikipedia can be edited by anyone right? It is not a reliable source...

 

[ecp]

sure..it happens.
NO one has ever denied this..i most certainly have not.
your a graduate student yet were unable to comprehend simple english in my posts on here?
i've never ever stated no kids with CI ever acquire sign....
we have entire organizations dedicated to this so, i'm not sure where your coming form, anyway

Questioning my reading compression is pretty rich coming from s person who can manage to sting proper English words together to make a coherent thought. Also, I finished graduate school 2 years ago.

 

[ambrosia]

Cute... and still not saying much... you are an adult... less of interest and consequence... you had hearing and want it back, not much promotion needed... you are not prelingual deaf and are not harmed by the CI... however, how much, dealings as you call them, do you think doctors, and the like have with the companies? How do drugs and devices get to patients again? How are the guidelines developed? You think doctors and the like doing the surgical procedures and other treatments come up with it on their own?

You think engineers and scientists researching and designing the equipping are instructing surgeons on how to operate? And what therapies are needed after?!!! How naive are you? Everyone has their area of expertise and education. Not even the otologists that perform the operations are educated on the language aspects of it, and they certainly don't instruct about it. That's where the speech pathologists come in. The audiologists don't even have anything to do with the kids language development. They test for hearing and speech recognition, and that's it. There's many different players on the board but the CI companies are not controlling them moving them around like chess pieces. They all deal with many things other than cochlear implants. These professionals aren't really invested in children not learning sign. They don't need it not exist for the bread to buttered. Not even cochlear implant manufacturers themselves. They don't need to create a vacuum to fill. They don't need to have sign not exist for there to be a demand for their product. There will ALWAYS be hearing people around to talk to......which is the whole point of getting a cochlear implant.

That is where your whole conspiracy theory crumbles. ASL is wonderful. But it only opens windows. The only way you can communicate freely and easily is with other signers. A CI is not dependent on sign not being available. The ability to hear opens doors, to talk to anybody, anytime. It may seem audist. But the reality is while the Deaf community is nice, not everybody wants to be limited to it. Not everybody wants their children to be limited to it.

 

[hoichi]

Questioning my reading compression is pretty rich coming from s person who can manage to sting proper English words together to make a coherent thought. Also, I finished graduate school 2 years ago.

did i question your reading comprehension?
in this thread?
mmmmm...
no kiddin

yes your statement in the above quote is worthy of someone who finished grad school (roll eyes)

who are you again? (scratches balls)

ohhhhhhh..... right..... some doctor...someplace or something..
yeah

 

[hoichi]

You think engineers and scientists researching and designing the equipping are instructing surgeons on how to operate? And what therapies are needed after?!!! How naive are you? Everyone has their area of expertise and education. Not even the otologists that perform the operations are educated on the language aspects of it, and they certainly don't instruct about it. That's where the speech pathologists come in. The audiologists don't even have anything to do with the kids language development. They test for hearing and speech recognition, and that's it. There's many different players on the board but the CI companies are not controlling them moving them around like chess pieces.

did you ever get a chance to read that cite and work i told you about called the artificial ear?
check it out it goes into a lot of detail on what jeize is telling you

no one stated chess piece type of movement here,
it is termed the combined system for a reason but yeah we get it

you know better..

cuz.....

 

[ambrosia]

Yes I've read some of your studies, no they didn't support your conspiracy theory.

No I'm not going to go buy some book. Just because a book exists doesn't mean much. There's a book about praying yourself thin mmm'kay. Don't believe everything you read.

 

[Jezie]

You think engineers and scientists researching and designing the equipping are instructing surgeons on how to operate? And what therapies are needed after?!!! How naive are you? Everyone has their area of expertise and education. Not even the otologists that perform the operations are educated on the language aspects of it, and they certainly don't instruct about it. That's where the speech pathologists come in. The audiologists don't even have anything to do with the kids language development. They test for hearing and speech recognition, and that's it. There's many different players on the board but the CI companies are not controlling them moving them around like chess pieces. They all deal with many things other than cochlear implants. These professionals aren't really invested in children not learning sign. They don't need it not exist for the bread to buttered. Not even cochlear implant manufacturers themselves. They don't need to create a vacuum to fill. They don't need to have sign not exist for there to be a demand for their product.

Wow... you actually believe this? Have you looked into nothing?? I mean I can understand your desire for wanting to hear... but I would really would have thought that someone who has so much to say would actually look into how medical products are produced and distributed... but then again... it is telling... do you care how it is done, or just care that you can have them?

 

[hoichi]

Yes I've read some of your studies, no they didn't support your conspiracy theory.

No I'm not going to go buy some book. Just because a book exists doesn't mean much. There's a book about praying yourself thin mmm'kay. Don't believe everything you read.

which have you read
the works cited are peer reviewed with very good bibliographies..

and what conspiracy theory?
i don't hold to no conspiracy theories.

i have different opinion then yours yes, gods forbid people actually hold different opinions then you.

indeed don't believe everything you read,
so since your NOT Deaf, and are not apart of our culture and do not know our language or much of our history, im curious where your knowledge of us is coming from?

by the way
all the works i have cited are available free online...thats one reason why i choose them, i want people to actually be sincere..and read them..unlike you, im in this for a greater reason then product loyalty.

would you like me to start misrepresenting you on here?
realy...

 

[ambrosia]

Wow... you actually believe this? Have you looked into nothing?? I mean I can understand you desire for wanting to hear... but I would really would have thought that someone who has so much to say would actually look into how medical products are produced and distributed... but then again... it is telling... do you care how it is done, or just care that you can have them?

The entire idea that a need for a CI is dependent on sign not being available is nonsense and completely illogical.

I think you don't really understand how the professionals are educated and how little overlap they have in their fields. I don't think you think about the fact that their careers are not solely dependent on CIs. I think you don't know a lot of things, I also think you've never been through the process. I think you're more invested in being the Deafest Of Deafies. It's impressive, such zeal.

So you've read some books. I've also seen your posts about essential oils, excuse me if I question your gullibility and scientific literacy.

 

[hoichi]

The entire idea that a need for a CI is dependent on sign not being available is nonsense and completely illogical.

are you claiming the combined system of CI and its entities ao/lls/avt/agbell, et all do not systematically work to DENY sign language acquisition to deaf babes and children and that they do not actively encourage or work toward keeping deaf children away from other deaf so that they do not "revert back to being Deaf"?

im curious since
you dont read books, and are NOT Deaf, and don't know our language nor much of our history, where are getting your knowledge of us and what we have been through and what we go through on a daily basis form?

I think you don't really understand how the professionals are educated and how little overlap they have in their fields. I don't think you think about the fact that their careers are not solely dependent on CIs. I think you don't know a lot of things, I also think you've never been through the process. I think you're more invested in being the Deafest Of Deafies. It's impressive, such zeal.

So you've read some books. I've also seen your posts about essential oils, excuse me if I question your gullibility and scientific literacy.

i have actually lived through it, i went to Deaf school, i live with Deaf i am an active member in my community...
tell me...

what knowledge base do you have of us to state we are all lying? that over 13 work isi cited are all lying,
that what we have seen with our very eyes in our very community did not happen and is not happening according to you...

since you refuse to read any of the actual cites i given you
its that your psychic
or...

 

[ambrosia]

your a graduate student yet were unable to comprehend simple english in my posts on here?

Questioning my reading compression is pretty rich coming from s person who can manage to sting proper English words together to make a coherent thought. Also, I finished graduate school 2 years ago.

did i question your reading comprehension?
in this thread?
mmmmm...
no kiddin

yes your statement in the above quote is worthy of someone who finished grad school (roll eyes)

who are you again? (scratches balls)

ohhhhhhh..... right..... some doctor...someplace or something..
yeah

Hmmmm yes, yes you most certainly did question her reading comprehension. There, quoted and everything. And yes, from this thread.

That's it. You're obviously insane or something.

 

[ambrosia]

are you claiming the combined system of CI and its entities ao/lls/avt/agbell, et all do not systematically work to DENY sign language acquisition to deaf babes and children and that they do not actively encourage or work toward keeping deaf children away from other deaf so that they do not "revert back to being Deaf"?

im curious since
you dont read books, and are NOT Deaf, and don't know our language nor much of our history, where are getting your knowledge of us and what we have been through and what we go through on a daily basis form?




i have actually lived through it, i went to Deaf school, i live with Deaf i am an active member in my community...
tell me...

what knowledge base do you have of us to state we are all lying? that over 13 work isi cited are all lying,
that what we have seen with our very eyes in our very community did not happen and is not happening according to you...

since you refuse to read any of the actual cites i given you
its that your psychic
or...

Oh I don't think you're lying. I think you believe everything you say, ferociously. However, that doesn't mean you're right.

 

[hoichi]

Hmmmm yes, yes you most certainly did question her reading comprehension. There, quoted and everything. And yes, from this thread.

That's it. You're obviously insane or something.

not insane just mistaken alas it happens...
yeah on page 4 of an 18 page thread. so you know, i wasn't sure if that quote was from this thread or another,lash me if you must but
meh
besides really to be honest all you Ci cultist are cut from same cloth so i get yous confused...it happens..

 

[Jezie]

The entire idea that a need for a CI is dependent on sign not being available is nonsense and completely illogical.

I think you don't really understand how the professionals are educated and how little overlap they have in their fields. I don't think you think about the fact that their careers are not solely dependent on CIs. I think you don't know a lot of things, I also think you've never been through the process. I think you're more invested in being the Deafest Of Deafies. It's impressive, such zeal.

So you've read some books. I've also seen your posts about essential oils, excuse me if I question your gullibility and scientific literacy.

Ah... still nothing in your posts... no answers to questions... nothing but attacks... you do show that you have not read or looked into much... the very fact that multiple cites have been provided that show how ci corps and other organizations work to deny deaf children sign, are actually quite intertwined, and still you provide nothing to the debate except anger and foul language...
Oh no, I wrote that I like essential oils, use, and enjoy talking about them... pray tell... did I say anything else? What do you know even on their uses or even why I like them... this has nothing to do with the discussion... but then again you are grabbing at straws you cannot even hope to perceive...

 

[Jezie]

[QUOTE="ambrosia, post: 2487093, member: 60944"]Oh I don't think you're lying. I think you believe everything you say, ferociously. However, that doesn't mean you're right.[/QUOTE]


Seeings as most of what he writes can be backed up... I am curious... where is your evidence that he is wrong?