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C-NICE said:
You did state this and other derogatory things about him and his work.
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right i stated the actual words i did state..

thats all you need to..
qoute my words..
its better thus less misunderstandings. that's why its polite to do that.

ive stated not one derogatory word about this guy, i actually quoted his very words though..
 
C-NICE said:
"Trash" HMM very positive view. Those are your words.
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yes i called his writing and ideas trash....the ones i have encountered and read

im open to reading more of him, i look forward to it, and if i encounter any treasures rather then trash ill for sure let you know
 
Do those treasures require him to bend to your world view?
 
C-NICE said:
He really has it in for the Deaf Ha Ha

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thanks for vid cnice. this is very excellent propaganda.....'-)
the best you posted so far..
and was very enjoyable to deconstruct. far far better then those software patched i got a ci im saved" articles...

this is a video of a talk given tedxislay in austen. by michael chorost, it is cc and is terped..it is close to 19 minuets long i won't transcribe the entire vi, since the poster doesn't care to offer his opinion on it or to transcribe, ill do what i will. but select key points of this interesting talk

right from start we come across some very serious issues.

creep doc said:
"that american sign language needs to stop being the language of the Deaf, and needs to start being the language of community communication and visual communication"
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a number of plms with this seemingly innocent statement.

first. this guy isnt Deaf, he is not a part of our community or culture, or people. he doesn't even know our language and here he is, telling us what our language needs to do.
and what he sees, is the need is for our language to stop being ours..

this is dangerous.

second. our language is already a language of community communication and visual communication..
third , english didnt cease being the language of the english when it became an international language. why shoudl ASL cease to be the langauge fo the Deaf for it to be used by cross communities? ie hearie and Deaf?

so why should ASL? cease to be our language?
he doesn't actually no place state why....


he claims to be a respectful outsider, yet he cant seem to get being an outsider he shouldn't have it he has any "say" regarding what we should or shouldn't do...with our language...

and of course if he knew the history he would be well aware why for sure any minority who is pounded with assimilation and colonialism as we are have boundraries that matter.

he also white washes some very fundamental issues..

minority languages aren't just dying or being wiped out because parents want their children to learn a majority language..
thats one part of it

another part he fails to mention is polices and actions of governments in eradicating minority languages through this world plays even a larger role.

he brings up assimilation then neglects to actually name the real players...

he drops the
creep doctor said:
"96% of deaf born to hearie"
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as if we didn't already know...


he then of course by the numbers make this statement

creep doc said:
"i don't think there is a conspiracy by the medical establishment to wipe out deafness"
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note here..

language he uses, to first seemingly address a concern then at the same time dismiss it.
he uses conspiracy,

as people on this board use it, the plm is
just like on this board the only people who use it are the ones who are claiming its not occurring...

i've never used it

very few Deaf works do use it..

its used here and on this board to be dismissive..rather then actually look at real polices and behaviours of real people and organizations, its
i don't think it's a conspiracy..call it what you want, let's look at what they are actually doing..

but he doesn't of course...

and i don't blame him

also its not deafness that is the basis of our critique on what they are doing, its Deaf. they are wiping out Deaf culture by DENYING sign language acquisition to new deaf babies an children and by keeping deaf children away from other Deaf children so that they do not revert back to being Deaf"

thats what they are doing..

and that has a huge impact down the line of generations, as lost fluency in your language degrades leadership in that language group...as fewer and fewer native users grow up fluent..

and it has shown in regards to us.

then he uses the argument , and he claims to be philosopher so he knows exactly what he did here, its called the argument of justification by presence

creep doc said:
"its just something is simply happening"
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really...no human beings or ideas, or organizations are involved..its just happening....

this is absolutely misleading...
and a bald face LIE!!

it is happening because human beings are making it happen..plain and simple

then he brings up schools for the Deaf are closing in australia in great numbers""
and they are...

this will give you a good idea on whats happening to our Deaf brothers and sisters in australia.
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwip5K6slLrOAhVMwGMKHRGcAA8QFggjMAE&url=https://muse.jhu.edu/article/192064&usg=AFQjCNHdWaguajg5uejswmCGgmPWghqB0w&sig2=XqPSGdhg_7rFrdKNJCiVhQ&bvm=bv.129422649,d.cGc

end of first part.....
 
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C-NICE said:
He really has it in for the Deaf Ha Ha

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second part...

and he states not just in australia then he admits to something here..pay attention..for those on this thread who deny it's happening..

creep doc said:
"school districts that originally used sign language for their children are now switching over to teaching the children english from the start, and most of that reason is because of cochlear implants"
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but that is not a profound technical shift, its actually not a shift at all, it's keeping exactly with the orlaist project, its nothing new, its ebbed and now it has again risen, but its not a paradigm shift, or a profound technical shift in the least..what it is is a reaffirmation of the orlaist project of assimilation and a world with no Deaf. that's what it is.

he states
creep doc said:
"these are earthquakes in the Deaf community"
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indeed

he claims to understand the importance of diversity..yet he is a shill for assimilation machines..

he states he learned at gally
creep doc said:
sign language allows new ways of understanding the world"
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like all good propaganda it mixes truth with doses of falsehoods the above si true.

then he starts addressing history but some points here.

the jews just didnt adapt to the oppression of mediaeval christendom by banking. indeed that was done, but the majority, they also came together and by force of law in many places lived in what became known as ghettos. this causing them to have number density, which allowed them to coalize and strengthen their culture, which was of course constantly under attack. Rome has a fine example of this in medieval italy as does venice, as does most europe, i wonder if many jews at that time thought it was a good idea to let more christens live amongst them......and have more power in their communities...mmmmm
i don't think so...


then he brings up an extremely important point we Deaf need to address and dig deep into..

creep doc said:
"we looked at gays and today it shard to believe but 50 years ago gays where the most unpopular minority group in america gayness was considered a disease, but now that shas changed"
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yes it has, and how has that changed? and further i ask this man and all reading why can't we change deafness from being viewed as something in need of being fixed like gayness was?

he demonstrates an utter lack of understanding in the gay rights movement and history for equality. it wasn't just having gay people do fun nice tv shows showing the world they were normal..

no no no...
it was something very different then he paints.

he then offers some interesting ideas form his students form gally (he did a year there)
and some of thso suggestions are indeed good,


he states
creep doc said:
"a visual language offers certain kinds of truths about human life that are not available in spoken languages"
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this is true

creep doc said:
"ASL is a commonly taught language in universities throughout the country"
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indeed its one the hypocrisies of this age that ASL is good for hearies but not Deaf babies and children, and in less and less Deaf schools...
and almost all those courses he brings up, are taught by hearie who are not actually fluent in ASL...

he then states he
creep doc said:
"an idea i offered to galludet to think about accepting more hearing people"
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right...and that place taken up by a hearie, where will that Deaf go instead?

OIC

he then states what is true
creep doc said:
"enrollment at gally has dropped from 1400 to less then a 100"
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indeed and why has this has happened? he never brings it up of course, it is the result of the closing of Deaf schools and the banning of sign in classes rooms and forced mainstream programs with little and or no sign..

thats what this has happened..

thso very schools are the very places most of Gallys students come from, shut the schools you eat gallys student population, eating revenue, its called choking in karate....amongst other things..


rather then stop that, rather then bring sign back into the classroom, rather than being sign to the eyes and hands of Deaf babies being DENIED.
no..
its..

"let more hearies in"


then to this
creep doc said:
"it seems to me gallaudet can solve its enrollment plms, that she has a mission, by no longer being a university fo the Deaf, but become a university that is about communication, community and vision."
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he puts forward the idea that us Deaf a minority need to be inclusive to the majority and accept more of them, NOT the other way around, its not the hearie need tot be inclusive and accept Deaf, stop trying to fix and cure us as happened with gays..no no, its Deaf need to be inclusive to hearies and accept more of them..its not bring sign language to every Deaf babies and children's hands..no no...its accept hearies...


yeah doc...

nice speech..

some thoughts though.
would agbell be as generous to me or another Deaf as gally was to you?

and

when english became an international language did it cease being the language of the english?

one more thing
if i had a dollar for every time a white canadian insisted no canadian conspiracy existed assimilate natives
id be
rather rich...
 
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I am not going to dignify that. What makes you think you speak for the entire Deaf world. Dr. Chorost is only a creep because he won't cow cow to your interpretation of Deaf life. The parents of CI kids are also the enemy because they won't either. Can't you grasp no one has to.
 
C-NICE said:
I am not going to dignify that. What makes you think you speak for the entire Deaf world. Dr. Chorost is only a creep because he won't cow cow to your interpretation of Deaf life. The parents of CI kids are also the enemy because they won't either. Can't you grasp no one has to.
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i don't "speakie" for the entire Deaf world
never claimed did
do you speakie for the entire hearie world?

as for creep doc
no!
thats not why i think hes a creep, pls re read my posts again i'm very clear...

can't you grasp its Deaf have a birthright?
they have aright to be Deaf
 
They have a right to access to sound and parents have a right to provide that to their children. Both require neither your consent or approval.
 
C-NICE said:
They have a right to access to sound and parents have a right to provide that to their children. Both require neither your consent or approval.
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they also have a birthright to SIGN, and to be Deaf..

so tell us more about this dark age idea of yours...
im curious
 
The dark age is when some people chooses to wear a self righteous club to brough beat others with for not doing what they wish.
 
C-NICE said:
The dark age is when some people chooses to wear a self righteous club to brough beat others with for not doing what they wish.
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orlaist fit that bill really good
..
mmmm
 
Hoichi/Jezie vs. C-NICE :whistle:
 
Foxrac said:
Hoichi/Jezie vs. C-NICE :whistle:
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Hey now... I have been nice and quite ... since the sun rose and nothing to Cnice since yesterday :p so grab your popcorn and be good... no need to throw my name around :)
 
From you post and I mean all of them you are in no position to throw stones. Parents of CI kids don't do what you want (bad). Dr. Chorost does not share your world view (Bad). No they are not bad the don't cow cow to some deaf people who are judgmental. Their Cir circumstances. Life history & Feelings are ignored. They just get an egotistical lecture about Deaf history and what they are doing to the Deaf Community. For only making decisions they feel are right for themselves and their families.
 
C-NICE said:
From you post and I mean all of them you are in no position to throw stones. Parents of CI kids don't do what you want (bad). Dr. Chorost does not share your world view (Bad). No they are not bad the don't cow cow to some deaf people who are judgmental. Their Cir circumstances. Life history & Feelings are ignored. They just get an egotistical lecture about Deaf history and what they are doing to the Deaf Community. For only making decisions they feel are right for themselves and their families.
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Who are you talking to? Three people have posts before this one...
 
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