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nope just playing with you...

and what i have stated is true...

lady if you want to believe Deaf view CI as a miracle of biblical proportions cool
(shakes ehad)

anyway you to be stuck on keep bringing it up so...

one more thing
i don't hear

Holy fuck your comprehension is abysmal.

But let's play your game. Quote my words!!! Where did I say the deaf believe CI to a miracle of biblical proportions? Where?

Are you, by chance, slandering me? :D
 

well since you've demonstrated some intellectual fortitude with this one page form the internet heres a 240 pg book that deals with the actual issue

https://www.amazon.ca/Artificial-Ear-Cochlear-Implants-Deafness/dp/0813546605

before you and bimbo cry its biased note the authors are hearie and they are parents who got CI for their child..

yes

reading....(smiles)

does the mind some good...
 
You are comparing CIs to woman being sexually violated. Your fanaticism is showing.

NO i am not..

pls read my words carefully

i am stating CI was pushed into our culture and community by outsiders and was NOT consensual (note,,its not the technology here thats important its called behaviour...)

now

rape is also not consensual..

am i stating they are exactly the same
nope..

what im doing here for you is showing an example to illustrate a point..
(i know...its tough to get,,,one day you might,,,nah... shakes head)
 
it was literally rammed into us,,,we were raped by these damn things...it sure the hell wasn't consensual....

You are comparing CIs to woman being sexually violated. Your fanaticism is showing.

NO i am not..

Hoichi then proceeds to exactly that, again, but in more detail......


pls read my words carefully

i am stating CI was pushed into our culture and community by outsiders and was NOT consensual (note,,its not the technology here thats important its called behaviour...)

now

rape is also not consensual..

am i stating they are exactly the same
nope..

what im doing here for you is showing an example to illustrate a point..
(i know...its tough to get,,,one day you might,,,nah... shakes head)

Hahahaha omg classic Hoichi right here. You just make this stuff up.


Things do not have to be the EXACTLY the same to compare something.... And here you are comparing them. Drawing associations.....I quoted your words. Happy? So tell me more about you're NOT comparing them. Hahahaha never mind. Don't bother, you did. You totally did.
 
NO i am not..

pls read my words carefully

i am stating CI was pushed into our culture and community by outsiders and was NOT consensual (note,,its not the technology here thats important its called behaviour...)

now

rape is also not consensual..

am i stating they are exactly the same
nope..

what im doing here for you is showing an example to illustrate a point..
(i know...its tough to get,,,one day you might,,,nah... shakes head)

If the CI was pushed anywhere it was pushed into the field of audiology.
 
If the CI was pushed anywhere it was pushed into the field of audiology.

Wow you actually exceed your normal thoughts here... but have a question for you... even if you tend to ignore them. Will try to keep it simple for you... a simple true or false question... was CI surgery or was it not done against medical advice? One more... the inventor of the CI stated that CI was not meant to replace hearing and that sign language should still be available to all implanted, yet, sign language is still strongly discouraged...
Two questions and I even made them true or false for you... can you answer?
 
critique part 6 as promised for poster who longs and lusts after my posts...

creep mother" said:
(30)The Food and Drug Administration’s 1990 decision to approve cochlear implants for children as young as two galvanized Deaf culture advocates.
?

i was in deafie school at this time, where were you?
i remember all this very well. unlike others in this thread, i have actually lived through this..and am part of this...i'm not some stranger on the net thinking they can waltz into any culture and people they pls just because....
nope...

creep mother" said:
(31)They saw the prostheses as just another in a long line of medical fixes for deafness.
?


NO we still do SEE it as such.


creep mother" said:
(32)None of the previous ideas had worked, and it wasn’t hard to find doctors and scientists who maintained that this wouldn’t work either —
?

the above is misleading on purpose, it wasn't that doctors believed it wouldn't work which was the issue of resistance for the medical establishment before those doctors where silenced,,it had to do with something else entirely this mother wont address for obvious reasons.


creep mother" said:
(33)at least not well. Beyond the complaint that the potential benefits of implants were dubious and unproven,
?

this wasn't just a complaint.for the sincere and are concerned i actually quoted the very fda statement regarding CI..that this well researched mother failed to mention..


creep mother" said:
(34)the Deaf community objected to the very premise that deaf people needed to be fixed at all.
?

this is still true for the vast majority of us.


creep mother" said:
(35)I was upset,” Ted Supalla, a linguist who studies ASL at Georgetown University Medical Center, told me. “I never saw myself as deficient ever. The medical community was not able to see that we could possibly see ourselves as perfectly fine and normal just living our lives. To go so far as to put something technical in our brains, at the beginning, was a serious affront.”?

i met this gentleman and he does good work..

creep mother" said:
(36)The Deaf view was that late-deafened adults were old enough to understand their choice, had not grown up in Deaf culture, and already had spoken language. Young children who had been born deaf were different. The assumption was that cochlear implants would remove children from the Deaf world, thereby threatening the survival of that world.


this is NOT an assumption WE know what has happened, we have after all lived through this, unlike others in this thread that seem to have it they know this yet don't even know our language or ways, or culture..right cncie? right janeb? right ambrosia? oic..
i wonder how many other board story on telling other cultures what should be and that you knwo more them about them..i wonder...

creep mother" said:
(37)That led to complaints about “genocide” and the eradication of a minority group.

Ethnocide and it wasn't just a complaint after all it galvanized our culture....
even if we did complain, if thats what call it..given how Deaf are treated on this thread by outsiders and non Deaf we know the hearie world would do exactly what it did do and always has done..so
yeah..


creep mother" said:
(38)The Deaf community felt ignored by the medical and scientific supporters of cochlear implants;

IF ONLY THEY WOULD OF IGNORED US!!!!!!!


creep mother" said:
(39)many believed deaf children should have the opportunity to make the choice for themselves once they were old enough; still others felt the implant should be outlawed entirely. Tellingly, the ASL sign developed for “cochlear implant” was two fingers stabbed into the neck, vampire-style.

and the above still holds true..and we still use that sign....

creep mother" said:
(40)The medical community agreed that the stakes were different for children. “For kids, of course, what really counts is their language development,” says Richard Dowell, who today heads the University of Melbourne’s Department of Audiology and Speech Pathology but in the 1970s was part of an Australian team led by Graeme Clark that played a critical role in developing the modern-day cochlear implant. “You’re trying to give them good enough hearing to actually then use that to assist their language development as close to normal as possible. So the emphasis changes very, very much when you’re talking about kids.”

doc,, what if normal and abnormal are just man made constructs? why not break out of that old model and see Deaf as normal? not needing to be fixed?

creep mother" said:
(41)By the time Alex was born, children were succeeding in developing language with cochlear implants in ever greater numbers.


another bald face manipulation...those children could have always succeeded in developing language, deaf sign naturally it is our natural language, all that had to happen was for the parents do was sign with them, and meet some Deaf that's it...instead its the drill..yeah we get it..
(42)The devices didn’t work perfectly and they didn’t work for everyone, but the benefits could be profound. The access to sound afforded by cochlear implants could serve as a gateway to communication, to spoken language and then to literacy. For hearing children, the ability to break the sound of speech into its components parts — a skill known as phonological awareness — is the foundation for learning to read.[/QUOTE]

thsi is also BULLSHIT!! Deaf who are born Deaf can also learn to read just as well as hearies....it happens all the time...
.........
ok coffee break...
this will grow to more then 7 then a wrap up using foucault and some other maybe jay some benjamin in the end..havnt decided
 
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Hoichi then proceeds to exactly that, again, but in more detail......

Hahahaha omg classic Hoichi right here. You just make this stuff up.


Things do not have to be the EXACTLY the same to compare something.... And here you are comparing them. Drawing associations.....I quoted your words. Happy? So tell me more about you're NOT comparing them. Hahahaha never mind. Don't bother, you did. You totally did.


do you know what citing an example is to illustrate a point?

guess not...
so much for american education.. hearie education to boot..meh
so much for oralism uh?
anyway

moving along...
 
Hoichi then proceeds to exactly that, again, but in more detail......




Hahahaha omg classic Hoichi right here. You just make this stuff up.


Things do not have to be the EXACTLY the same to compare something.... And here you are comparing them. Drawing associations.....I quoted your words. Happy? So tell me more about you're NOT comparing them. Hahahaha never mind. Don't bother, you did. You totally did.

do you know what using examples are to illustrate a point is ...
oh i forgot sorry....
you don't....(giggles)
google is your friend....(in yoda sign)
 
Wow you actually exceed your normal thoughts here... but have a question for you... even if you tend to ignore them. Will try to keep it simple for you... a simple true or false question... was CI surgery or was it not done against medical advice? One more... the inventor of the CI stated that CI was not meant to replace hearing and that sign language should still be available to all implanted, yet, sign language is still strongly discouraged...
Two questions and I even made them true or false for you... can you answer?
True on both counts. Now my what makes deafness is such a lovely thing? Has it ever dawned on you that some people wish to live in hearing world and want their children with them? Do they have that right or must they ask your permission?
 
True on both counts. Now my what makes deafness is such a lovely thing? Has it ever dawned on you that some people wish to live in hearing world and want their children with them? Do they have that right or must they ask your permission?

who stated deafness was a lovely thing?

why cant parents live in the hearie world and sign with their children?
babies and children have right too..
 
True on both counts. Now my what makes deafness is such a lovely thing? Has it ever dawned on you that some people wish to live in hearing world and want their children with them? Do they have that right or must they ask your permission?

See people lusting for the hearing world everyday... it is the job of the parent to ensure no harm comes to the child... language deprivation causes great harm... the few successes that you and others parade around is done on the backs of multitudes of deaf who have been denied sign and as a result have permanent developmental damage...
There is no harm in learning sign, and none in giving children both... the problem comes when the child is denied sign both in development and in education...
Why do you think these companies refuse implanted babies sign?
 
do you know what citing an example is to illustrate a point?

guess not...
so much for american education.. hearie education to boot..meh
so much for oralism uh?
anyway

moving along...

Oh sure, absolutely. And WHYYYY would you cite that example to illustrate your point? To make correlations, associations, comparisons.....links between the two. Not only do not understand what other people say, you apparently don't understand what YOU say. I'm dying over here.

Hahaha just own it man. You did it, you compared introducing cochlear implants to the Deaf community to rape. You look ridiculous denying it. I am dying over here, it's so funny.

I'm just going to ignore the hearie American education dig. I will NOT return fire over Deaf education. Plus, it's so damn silly when you look at what you're doing
 
why cant parents live in the hearie world and sign with their children?
babies and children have right too..
Can parents make decisions about their kids future without pardon the pun hearing your gruff about it?
 
See people lusting for the hearing world everyday...
well, it's pretty sexy......
Why do you think these companies refuse implanted babies sign?

The Cochlear implant companies don't deny anybody anything. They have nothing to do with anything other than supplying the equipment.

The doctors, speech pathologists etc are the ones that guide the parents on how they should proceed. So if you want to get mad at anyone, get mad at them. I have an Advanced Bionic. Know how much dealings I had with the company directly? None. Whatsoever.
 
Oh sure, absolutely. And WHYYYY would you cite that example to illustrate your point?

well the practice is done to help along what is called thought experiments for others who may be having difficulty in grasping certain ideas or have mental blocks in understanding thso difficult ideas.
thats one reason its used.


To make correlations, associations, comparisons.....links between the two. Not only do not understand what other people say, you apparently don't understand what YOU say. I'm dying over here.

in regards to my statements i was trying to convey to you and others the feeling WE Deaf felt when our wishes and very statements where ignored and disregarded and ci was literally rammed into us..
now

the world has something that it similar to that..
ill let yoru mind fill in the rest..

Hahaha just own it man. You did it, you compared introducing cochlear implants to the Deaf community to rape. You look ridiculous denying it. I am dying over here, it's so funny.

see above to help you better understand my statement.

I'm just going to ignore the hearie American education dig. I will NOT return fire over Deaf education. Plus, it's so damn silly when you look at what you're doing

well this what i'm NOT doing
i'm not on another cultures and peoples board Not being one of them, arguing with them about their history and what they went and go through and im NOt telling those other people, that they have it wrong and so on and so forth..
i'm NOT doing that..

unlike you..

anyway
shrugs shoulders..
 
Can parents make decisions about their kids future without pardon the pun hearing your gruff about it?

i have every right to make our case and offer the alternative..
just as much right as the multinationals actually more.
as we are the one targeted..
so
 
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