Golden Window

[C-NICE]

Access to sound is assimilation. You want the hearies rejected completely.

 

[C-NICE]

Maybe you should take minute to consider that this is not so fun. Before you accuse someone of having a fetish (me and this woman are in the same club). Try to relate (Not fun).

 

[hoichi]

part 4 of promised ongoing critique for the poster who loves and longs to read all my stuff..

now we approach the usual technobabble dump in the guise of a mother just doing research..while true it's used here to set a line of authority while setting a hierarchy of knowledge..this women claims has have done her research and thus she claims objectivity even though for those who can see through the smoke and mirrors from the first letter this entire disclosure of hers has been tainted.

(13) How could it be possible to hear without a functioning cochlea? The cochlea is the hub, the O’Hare Airport, of normal hearing, where sound arrives, changes form, and travels out again. When acoustic energy is naturally translated into electrical signals, it produces patterns of activity in the 30,000 fibers of the auditory nerve that the brain ultimately interprets as sound. The more complex the sound, the more complex the pattern of activity. Hearing aids depend on the cochlea. They amplify sound and carry it through the ear to the brain, but only if enough functioning hair cells in the cochlea can transmit the sound to the auditory nerve. Most people with profound deafness have lost that capability. The big idea behind a cochlear implant is to fly direct, to bypass a damaged cochlea and deliver sound — in the form of an electrical signal — to the auditory nerve itself.

some plms in the below though in bolded

(14)To do that is like bolting a makeshift cochlea to the head and somehow extending its reach deep inside. A device that replicates the work done by the inner ear and creates electrical hearing instead of acoustic hearing requires three basic elements: a microphone to collect sounds; a package of electronics to process those sounds into electrical signals (a “processor”); and an array of electrodes to conduct the signal to the auditory nerve. The processor has to encode the sound it receives into an electrical message the brain can understand; it has to send instructions. For a long time, no one knew what those instructions should say. They could, frankly, have been in Morse code — an idea some researchers considered, since dots and dashes would be straightforward to program and constituted a language people had proven they could learn. By comparison, capturing the nuance and complexity of spoken language in an artificial set of instructions was like leaping straight from the telegraph to the Internet era

morse code is not a language, and second take note on how she uses here the idea of progress to further her agenda..

leaping straight form the telegraph to the net, interesting language for a product, that relies on people's false notions of it being a miracle, or magic or a cure, or a bionic,.,,so on so forth, you never see much of that fda report in the adds do you?
of course not

here we are now again with skillful use of language to further an emotional narrative to justify a give construct..words such as these sued are used int he mass media in regards to technology to systematically reinforce the narrative of technologies limitless potential... its part of a marketing scheme,

(15)It was such a daunting task that most of the leading auditory neurophysiologists in the 1960s and 1970s, when the idea was first explored in the United States, were convinced cochlear implants would never work. It took decades of work by teams of determined (even stubborn) researchers in the United States, Australia and Europe to solve the considerable engineering problems involved as well as the thorniest challenge: designing a processing program that worked well enough to allow users to discriminate speech. When they finally succeeded on that front, the difference was plain from the start.

again what this women fails to mention is almost all of the medical establishment at that time was heavily opposed to drilling holes into children's heads...and some even were outraged by it..
so we now have a dauntless team lead determined and stubborn specialists on a front, one can assume wars are waged on fronts...and that they finally succeeded....
children died, and still do die..and their deaths were swept under the rug and hidden from the press. children that would of grown up deaf if given access to their birthright they would grown up fully communicating, instead they found an early grave all for what?

dauntless leading experts to further their career and dig deeper pockets...

then to end up wrap up this section.

(16)There are only a few times in a career in science when you get goose bumps,” Michael Dorman, a cochlear implant researcher at Arizona State University, once wrote. That’s what happened to him when, as part of a clinical trial, his patient Max Kennedy tried out the new program, which alternated electrodes and sent signals at a relatively high rate. Kennedy was being run through the usual set of word and sentence recognition tests. “Max’s responses [kept] coming up correct,” remembered Dorman. “Near the end of the test, everyone in the room was staring at the monitor, wondering if Max was going to get 100 percent correct on a difficult test of consonant identification. He came close, and at the end of the test, Max sat back, slapped the table in front of him, and said loudly, “Hot damn, I want to take this one home with me.”

this is a typical phono centric discourse....not much to add given its a standard take on tagging and measuring a human being either normal or abnormal, failure to test good is abnormal and thus targeted. but speech is just a mode of language. it is nOT language

that's all it is...

another far better mode of language is ready and waiting for every deaf baby and child...but no,,,,,,it has to be.....sit on yoru hands and speak and move yoru beak,,,th....th....th...th...ba....ba....ba...ba just so so right like a hearie parrot..
thats termed assimilation...natives also experienced as do and did all minority who have been colonized by a majority. in the case of north america native assimilation and Deaf assimilation are very close brothers...in both behavioural and policy

now we come to the goodies...she uses a question here, shes not asking she's starting, to cause a maybe...rather then taking our signs for it and what we have experienced, its still a question to ehr...

A Cure or a Genocide?

the proper term as used for Deaf is ethnocide, when that assimilation involves the murder of Deaf as the T4 programme, then that is when ti turns to genocide..

check out more of the absurd language used to further the narrative..

(17)So did I. The device sounded momentous and amazing to me — a common reaction for a hearing person. As Steve Parton, the father of one of the first children to receive an implant once put it, the fact that technology had been invented that could help the deaf hear seemed “a miracle of biblical proportions.”

and yet we are back to the miracle of biblical proportions.."

to which ill take a coffee break..and we have more....much much much more.....
to come...it will be longer then the first staed 7 ,
wicked!!!

 

[hoichi]

Access to sound is assimilation. You want the hearies rejected completely.

is that what you think assimilation means?
interesting.

and no i support a bilingual approach and model, i am a moderate in this issue,,believe it.

 

[hoichi]

Maybe you should take minute to consider that this is not so fun. Before you accuse someone of having a fetish (me and this woman are in the same club). Try to relate (Not fun).

im not accusing im stating..

if yoru going to post vid after vid after vid at least offer yoru opinion..

its not that hard
give it a shot..

ill get around to this one like them all, in a moment...alas

 

[C-NICE]

I living her life pre CI and it sucks (But I have a fetish). I just don't think you could understand how someone could want sound for themselves or their
Children. Also when it comes to CI kids I don't think you care what those parents want or feel.

 

[hoichi]

I living her life pre CI and it sucks (But I have a fetish). I just don't think you could understand how someone could want sound for themselves or their
Children. Also when it comes to CI kids I don't think you care what those parents want or feel.

ive been very clear with my statements on here..
so pls if yoru going to try to claim what i think at least be intellectually honest enough to quote my very words that lead you to that...

that's all i ask..

 

[Jane B.]

ive been very clear with my statements on here..
so pls if you are going to try to claim what i think at least be intellectually honest enough to quote my very words that lead you to that...

that's all i ask..

That can be hard to do when it does not come from a single post but the impression gained from reading many of your posts to the point where it would be unreasonable to compile all of them to quote.

 

[hoichi]

That can be hard to do when it does not come from a single post but the impression gained from reading many of your posts to the point where it would be unreasonable to compile all of them to quote.

if you or others cant quote my actual words so be it
i post enough that should be easy

i wont force intellectual honesty on you or anyone..
if you are sincere you will use the quote function as i do when ever i want to discuss or reply to someones thoughts, statements or ideas..whether i agree with them or not..
(yeah i know tall order to ask of you and others i get it)


its not unreasonable to use the quote function that's whats it there for.

 

[ambrosia]

and yet we are back to the miracle of biblical proportions.."

No you're not back to it, you're just quoting it again, going over the same parts you've already "critiqued" and STILL are leaving out that the National Association of Deaf amended their official stance on cochlear implants and the interview with provost of Gaulladet who coincidentally has a cochlear implant himself. But since those things shoot down your narrative like nothing else will you won't talk about that.

You are sooooo transparent

 

[ambrosia]

That can be hard to do when it does not come from a single post but the impression gained from reading many of your posts to the point where it would be unreasonable to compile all of them to quote.

Exactly. Not to mention completely unnecessary. Like everyone immediately forgets what he wrote after they've read it. Everyone knows what he's said.

Brief summary.......


I'm not antiCi, I'm just against CI. I have no problems with the tech, I just don't want anyone to have it. I'm not against anyone having them I just don't want anyone to have one. does that sound about right?

And do not slander me!!!!!!

 

[ambrosia]

don't you believe they are miracles?
perhaps
your miracles are invented then?

invented miracles
interesting..

On a scale of 1 to 10 just how freaking high are you? 13? Is English that hard for you?

I'm sure you think you're being clever Trevor. No, fail.

 

[hoichi]

hoichi critique part 5 for the poster who longs and lusts to read all my stuff and more....

(18)Many in Deaf culture didn’t agree.

the above is a complete utter baldfaced lie!!
that is correct it is a lie..

Deaf and the vast vast vast majority of Deaf then and now do NOT hold or believe CI to be a miracle of biblical proportions!!!

(19)As I began to investigate what a cochlear implant would mean for Alex, I spent a lot of time searching the Internet, and reading books and articles.

which books? which articles? which sites?

I was disturbed by the depth of the divide I perceived in the deaf and hard of hearing community.

what exactly disturbed her|? she doesn't state it

(20)There seemed to be a long history of disagreement over spoken versus visual language, and between those who saw deafness as a medical condition and those who saw it as an identity. The harshest words and the bitterest battles had come in the 1990s with the advent of the cochlear implant.

NO this is not seemed there actually was and still is disagreement, there actually is a very long history 200 years worth of it of our resistance... but what really has occurred is one cultures wishes were utterly ignored and steamrolled. that's what happened..

(21)By the time I was thinking about this, in 2005, children had been receiving cochlear implants in the United States for 15 years. Though the worst of the enmity had died down,

no place can she actually state what has caused this enmity.....

(22)I felt as if I’d entered a city under ceasefire, ?

actually she's painting a picture that is not real, the arguments and fighting were not really between Deaf and deaf it was between Deaf and outsiders like on here, in this thread, notice it's not Deaf fighting Deaf here,,NO, its Deaf challenging non Deaf who have it in their small minds they seem to knwo more then us about us and whats better for us..thats the shit that this is about..

most of the fighting was between non Deaf and deaf non Deaf on Deaf..and its telling...

(23)where the inhabitants had put down their weapons but the unease was still palpable. A few years earlier, the National Association of the Deaf, for instance, had adjusted its official position on cochlear implants to very qualified support of the device as one choice among many.?

indeed nad was steam rolled and bullied into doing that..all Deaf have faced the bullied at one point or another...myself included

(24)It wasn’t hard, however, to find the earlier version, in which they “deplored” the decision of hearing parents to implant their children. In other reports about the controversy, I found cochlear implantation of children described as “child abuse.”?

yep and plenty and many many of us still believe this..regardless son what outsider blonds wagging their finger of disdain may claim..

(25)No doubt those quotes had made it into the press coverage precisely because they were extreme and, therefore, attention-getting. But child abuse?! I just wanted to help my son. What charged waters were we wading into??

they are not extreme and hasn't this women ever heard the english phrase the road to hell is paved with good intentions?
guess shes not as well researched as she drones...

(26)Cochlear implants arrived in the world just as the Deaf Civil Rights movement was flourishing. Like many minorities, the deaf had long found comfort in each other. They knew they had a “way of doing things” and that there was what they called a “deaf world.” Largely invisible to hearing people, it was a place where many average deaf people lived contented, fulfilling lives. No one had ever tried to name that world.?

this is NOT entirely true, Deaf have been using the capital D in Deaf for over 100 years by the time the implant reared its ugly head...further in our very own folktales we named it in different ways, eyeth, Deaf, Deaf world,

(27)Beginning in the 1980s, however, deaf people, particularly in academia and the arts, “became more self-conscious, more deliberate, and more animated, in order to take their place on a larger, more public stage,” wrote Carol Padden and Tom Humphries, professors of communication at the University of California, San Diego, who are both deaf. They called that world Deaf culture in their influential 1988 book Deaf in America: Voices from a Culture. The capital “D” distinguished those who were culturally deaf from those who were audiologically deaf. “The traditional way of writing about Deaf people is to focus on the fact of their condition — that they do not hear — and to interpret all other aspects of their lives as consequences of this fact,” Padden and Humphries wrote. “Our goal . . is to write about Deaf people in a new and different way. . . Thinking about the linguistic richness uncovered in [work on sign language] has made us realize that the language has developed through the generations as part of an equally rich cultural heritage. It is this heritage — the culture of Deaf people — that we want to begin to portray.”?

this is true..

(28)In this new way of thinking, deafness was not a disability but a difference. With new pride and confidence, and new respect for their own language, American Sign Language, the deaf community began to make itself heard. At Gallaudet University in 1988, students rose up to protest the appointment of a hearing president — and won. In 1990, the Americans with Disabilities Act ushered in new accommodations that made operating in the hearing world far easier. And technological revolutions like the spread of computers and the use of e-mail meant that a deaf person who once might have had to drive an hour to deliver a message to a friend in person (not knowing before setting out if the friend was even home), could now send that message in seconds from a keyboard.?

this is true but the ada as i have stated was also a trojan horse..

(29)In 1994, Greg Hlibok, one of the student leaders of the Gallaudet protests a few years earlier, declared in a speech: “From the time God made earth until today, this is probably the best time to be Deaf.”

indeed he stated that btu thats a rather large time span of human existence...given we know very little for most of the time of the paleolithic and mesolithic up till the middle neolithic..late neolithic early copper and bronze ages...till the advent of history...i'm not sure really if we should take this statement at its word...for recorded history int he west, sure.

Into the turbulence of nascent deaf civil rights dropped the cochlear implant?

NO!!again here we have a bald faced LIE!!
CI wasn't dropped into our community and culture it was literally rammed into us,,,we were raped by these damn things...it sure the hell wasn't consensual....

more in a bit....need to do some kata..

 

[hoichi]

No you're not back to it, you're just quoting it again, going over the same parts you've already "critiqued" and STILL are leaving out that the National Association of Deaf amended their official stance on cochlear implants and the interview with provost of Gaulladet who coincidentally has a cochlear implant himself. But since those things shoot down your narrative like nothing else will you won't talk about that.

You are sooooo transparent

i haven't left out NAD are you sure you can read??
pls re read my posts i most certainly didnt leave out NAD

but that doesn't even address my statements...does it..

im not against adults getting CI or screwing blondes or goats for that matter, so showing adults that have CI does not touch my narrative lady..

try again

you ever been to gally? (don't answer i know its for others..)

yes NAD was forced to change their position to qualified support..
so pls tell me here, how the hell does qualified support match up to your cultist missionary thrust with these things?
p[ls do tell.....

and further and i wan to repeat this to you, an outsider who is NOT Deaf who is NOT one of us, who knows very little on what your on about....

ITS THE VAST VAST VAST MAJORITY OF DEAF THEN AND NOW WE DONT HOLD OR VIEW CI AS A MIRACLE OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS..

sorry to disappoint you..

meh

moving on...

 

[C-NICE]

i want deaf children to stop being violated and drilled into to further assimilate them..

CI wasn't dropped into our community and culture it was literally rammed into us,,,we were raped by these damn things...it sure the hell wasn't consensual.

It would not have matter how they where introduced they would have freaked you out.

 

[ambrosia]

You're getting really stuck on the "miracle of biblical proportion" aren't you. *houchi adds that phrase to repertoire or copy/paste comments* I already broke that sentence down for you. If you didn't understand then that the "fact" was that it was invented at all and not that it was "a miracle of biblical proportion" you're never going to understand. You hear what you want, see what's not there and you read through a filter.

And now we return to our regular scheduled programming.......

 

[hoichi]

Exactly. Not to mention completely unnecessary. Like everyone immediately forgets what he wrote after they've read it. Everyone knows what he's said.

Brief summary.......


I'm not antiCi, I'm just against CI. I have no problems with the tech, I just don't want anyone to have it. I'm not against anyone having them I just don't want anyone to have one. does that sound about right?

And do not slander me!!!!!!

i have never stated i dotn anyone to have CI..
im sorry your not bright enough to follow the discussion here...

but if you really want to start misrepresenting me then ill do the sam efo ryou..if thats ok
but before i do..
leyt me knwo if you want to play that way
ok.....'-)

if you have memory issues and cannot remember what i post to quote me then thats your plm
i cant help

i expect people to do what i do here

use the oute when addressing my statments

thats it..
if you can't due to some psychological disorder or lack of intelligence so be it..
no hard feelings

we all have issues...

 

[hoichi]

It would not have matter how they where introduced they would have freaked you out.

well usually people prefer to give consent before getting screwed...
same goes for cultures...

not everyone mind you

but most..

 

[C-NICE]

rammed into us

History rammed not mentioned
http://biomed.brown.edu/Courses/BI108/BI108_2001_Groups/Cochlear_Implants/history.html

 

[hoichi]

You're getting really stuck on the "miracle of biblical proportion" aren't you. *houchi adds that phrase to repertoire or copy/paste comments* I already broke that sentence down for you. If you didn't understand then that the "fact" was that it was invented at all and not that it was "a miracle of biblical proportion" you're never going to understand. You hear what you want, see what's not there and you read through a filter.

And now we return to our regular scheduled programming.......

nope just playing with you...

and what i have stated is true...

lady if you want to believe Deaf view CI as a miracle of biblical proportions cool
(shakes ehad)

anyway you to be stuck on keep bringing it up so...

one more thing
i don't hear