God Versus Satan

[Liebling:-)))]

I will let other Christians like Reba, CyberRed, etc answer him,
not me.

You prove yourself here again...

*run to mommy and cries for help*

 

[Cheri]

Liebling, I wish you could learn to quoted every line of my post instead of changing your color to respond inside my post because every time I reply to your post it won't even showed up on the reply, would have to copy and paste every time. It's not too difficult to quote every respond.

Nope, firemen have fire protection clothes and helmut to protect from the fire. If they don't have any protection to wear or do something then is a suicidal.

Policemen have something to protect/defend themselves... If they don't have any protection to wear or do something then is a suicidal...

Can you show me where/how Jesus protect himself? I see none... He could pray his father for protection but he didn't. What is this?

There has been a number of injuries and fatalities in the line of duty, so they do have the most dangerous jobs, they're out there to protect the public, and save the public.

Fireman's flame and heat resistant material clothing is not always protective. Police can get shot in the arm, leg, head there's no protective material for that. So that's suicidal? They have a job to do to save us, be there for us, same way Jesus is, Jesus was on earth to save us from a trip to the place of torment. Those major group I point out put their life before themselves to save us.

I'm afraid yes, it's God who made this happened in first place, not Eve & Adam. I know you are on the bible's side so I show you the link of Why did God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden?, I provided in my previous post.

Going off blaming God once again? I know all about the time when Adam and Eve was in the Garden of Eden, I do not need to read that part of the statement. Do you have any idea of the Meaning of Life means to you? Without God, we lose any purpose of the meaning of life, During the time of Adam and Eve, God did warned Adam and Eve, Again I told you that God gave us free will to choose the righteous or the wrongfully? Now you see that Adam chosen wrongfully, does the blame go to God? No, the blame goes to Adam himself. He chosen poorly not wisely. If God had not warned them from the begin, then Yes, God would be at blame, for tricking them by planting the tree of knowledge of good and evil, He didn't hide anything from Adam and Eve, they were told, they were warned. Life is all about challenges, we will always face temptations, It's up to us to turn the other cheek and do what's right. It's very easy to understand, I don't see how you couldn't.

Exactly!!! Blame God, not Eve and Adam

How so? God didn't shovel the fruit down their throat, God said that Adam would die if he ate the fruit, So, why did Adam ate it knowing he was doing the wrong thing? It seems that Adam took the wrong path, a path to chose to believe Satan. As me living my life today, I blame only two people, Adam and Eve and they affect this sinful world. I can change my own life if I want to, I decide to have a relationship with God. You all have your own life, you either live by the sinful world that been given to you by Adam and Eve, or have a relationship with God, the choice is yours, once again, I've said it before, and I'm saying it again.

 

[Cheri]

xentar,

I do not need to know the history of religion first came out, I follow one God and only one. That's one reason why I ignored your post, it holds no bare with this thread itself. Your bitter with Christians is getting old.

 

[xentar]

xentar,

I do not need to know the history of religion first came out, I follow one God and only one. That's one reason why I ignored your post, it holds no bare with this thread itself. Your bitter with Christians is getting old.

I'm going to copy pretty much what I wrote to another member here:

This is a usage of the classic ad hominem argument. When a person don't know enough about the issues, he/she totally just try to discredit those who disagree.

via wikipedia:
A (fallacious) ad hominem argument has the basic form:

1. A makes claim X.
2. There is something objectionable about A.
3. Therefore claim X is false.


Translation: Instead of discussing the points I brought out, you focused on me rather than issues I brought out.

Whether I'm bitter with christians does not nullify the points in the quotation box from my previous post.

 

[Mistyrose]

xentar,

I do not need to know the history of religion first came out, I follow one God and only one. That's one reason why I ignored your post, it holds no bare with this thread itself. Your bitter with Christians is getting old.

Same here, Cheri...i agree!
Xenter just dont like us Christians so he just pick on us, lol!
I dont want to waste bandwiths so i just agree everything you, Angel,
Reba, CyberRed, Christlove, and other Christians say in here!
I dont listen to bunch of bullcrap stuff unbelievers impose on us trying
to brainwash us with their crap, lol!

 

[VamPyroX]

I'm going to copy pretty much what I wrote to another member here:

This is a usage of the classic ad hominem argument. When a person don't know enough about the issues, he/she totally just try to discredit those who disagree.

via wikipedia:
A (fallacious) ad hominem argument has the basic form:

1. A makes claim X.
2. There is something objectionable about A.
3. Therefore claim X is false.


Translation: Instead of discussing the points I brought out, you focused on me rather than issues I brought out.

Whether I'm bitter with christians does not nullify the points in the quotation box from my previous post.

That post?

Gee... I forgot about that one. Sorry.

I do agree. You can't just base your belief because you said so or because "it's there".

How do you know God exists? Because He's there.

So? Because the Bible says so.

What makes you think the Bible is telling the truth? Because it's God's Word.

What makes it God's Word? Because it's the Holy Bible.

No matter what you say, it will go on and on with people who have religious psychosis or have nothing else to believe.

 

[xentar]

That pretty much was the reason why I wanted everyone else to talk about the origins as well as the similarities found in other religions that existed before Christianity was created. Should make for an interesting discussion.

....or we can all sit around nit-picking over semantics what we think the bible says.

 

[christlovedeaf]

How can God be sorry about making those people? He knew what they were going to do when he created them.

Here is a problem, of phrase, human using a theory how human tendency the view what God meant to say. God does not use the same meaning how human behaving that way. Why did God say that? Why did God made a man and a woman? God foreknew of all people but knowing, that those people will be born. Who made the sperm? What does sperm do? Why a woman have eggs? What is it for? Why do we have sex? What is the purpose of sex? People are born, which why so call how people call it "bad seed". Why does God using so strict on OT than NT? (Jesus was with the Father all those times, Jesus and God are not separated). OT is for protection for the mainline for Jesus to come as prophesied said that "Immanuel (God with us-Jesus-Y'shua) be born from a virgin. So, the same time, like lot of agnostic, unbelievers look the other side, all they focus on God as religion, and God disrespect other religions, God has a favortism and blah blah blah.It's like, *scratching my head*, I'm lost. They still didn't get it. Problem is about "religion", not who God is and the purpose of it. So like silence about Eqyptian killed 1st born Hebrew boys, and get angry that God killed Egyptians. *scratch my head again*. That is another part. The world is full of wickedness, doesn't matter, what people did, does God inviting those people to the ark? Yes. Noah proclaim it, what people do? What is their choice? God offer, offer, offer, offer, offer and offer, what people do, they shunned God. So instead, like agnostic, unbeliever, blame God. That is where problem coming from.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling, I wish you could learn to quoted every line of my post instead of changing your color to respond inside my post because every time I reply to your post it won't even showed up on the reply, would have to copy and paste every time. It's not too difficult to quote every respond.

You know my posts for years... I alway use blue color as my own post when I quoted ADers´ posts. If I use different color than blue which mean is I pasted from link where the bible author or someone wrote because it´s not my word but their. Black color is yours... It´s not hard...

There has been a number of injuries and fatalities in the line of duty, so they do have the most dangerous jobs, they're out there to protect the public, and save the public.

Fireman's flame and heat resistant material clothing is not always protective. Police can get shot in the arm, leg, head there's no protective material for that. So that's suicidal? They have a job to do to save us, be there for us, same way Jesus is, Jesus was on earth to save us from a trip to the place of torment. Those major group I point out put their life before themselves to save us.

No matter what... they have protection and tried their best to rescue the people from fire, criminals or whatever. It´s not just them but there´re dangerous and risk in everywhere... We people tried our best to protect ourselves as what we can... what Jesus doesn´t... He CAN ask his father for protection but he didn´t.

Going off blaming God once again? I know all about the time when Adam and Eve was in the Garden of Eden, I do not need to read that part of the statement.

I thought you are on bible´s side? This link I provided is not my word but bible author´s word. You don´t want to read and see philosophical logic then I can´t help you. (orange color is from link, not my word)

Do you have any idea of the Meaning of Life means to you? Without God, we lose any purpose of the meaning of life, During the time of Adam and Eve, God did warned Adam and Eve, Again I told you that God gave us free will to choose the righteous or the wrongfully? Now you see that Adam chosen wrongfully, does the blame go to God? No, the blame goes to Adam himself. He chosen poorly not wisely. If God had not warned them from the begin, then Yes, God would be at blame, for tricking them by planting the tree of knowledge of good and evil, He didn't hide anything from Adam and Eve, they were told, they were warned. Life is all about challenges, we will always face temptations, It's up to us to turn the other cheek and do what's right.

Yes I thought the same as you in the past until I OPEN my mind and saw the logical.... who plant the tree of knowledge in first place... I would not plant "dangerous" tree because I want my children´s safety when I were God.

It's very easy to understand, I don't see how you couldn't.

I would say the same... very, very, very, very, very simple to understand but you don´t want to see or try to picture philosophical logic on both sides between bible and real life because you are mother of children yourself... Would you throw your children out of house because your children disobey you? I can see that you can´t open your mind and see philosophical logic but you still deny that God killed firstborns, tree of knowledge etc. If you still can´t see it then I can´t help you...

How so? God didn't shovel the fruit down their throat, God said that Adam would die if he ate the fruit, So, why did Adam ate it knowing he was doing the wrong thing? It seems that Adam took the wrong path, a path to chose to believe Satan. As me living my life today, I blame only two people, Adam and Eve and they affect this sinful world. I can change my own life if I want to, I decide to have a relationship with God. You all have your own life, you either live by the sinful world that been given to you by Adam and Eve, or have a relationship with God, the choice is yours, once again, I've said it before, and I'm saying it again.

Very simple to answer your question...

The parents educated their children to not talk strangers, drink alochol, smoking, some foods, drugs or whatever because they are bad and can risk their life... Do you think the children LISTEN their parent´s warning? Nope, they peer their parent´s back to experiment out of curiously... I´m sure that you know most children experience their curiously... Right?

the choice is yours, once again, I've said it before, and I'm saying it again.

My repeat answer: I only beleive in myself.


If you can´t see it then I can´t help you but yourself.

 

[Maria]

Except for the fact that the question wasn't directed at Liebling. It was for any christians who are not aware of the history of religion and how it came about.

More Here


More Here


Any response from you christians? (This is the third time I'm posting this relevant information)

I am familiar about " The Queen of Heaven ". I don't believe in such things like this. There's no other God BEFORE or AFTER God.

 

[Maria]

God says in the Bible that there's NO other God before Him or after Him. Oh, yeah there are many gods such as idols, images people worship, and things like this. Things that people worship don't move, or breathe or talk or answer to their prayers, except God Himself is very much A L I V E.

God DON'T know other god.

 

[Cheri]

Yes. Noah proclaim it, what people do? What is their choice? God offer, offer, offer, offer, offer and offer, what people do, they shunned God. So instead, like agnostic, unbeliever, blame God. That is where problem coming from.

They want to blame someone, so they start off their blaming game on God. I don't think they do look at the whole picture, just one side. If you were to read atheist's websites, you will often find complaints about God, and how God should let everyone into heaven?

Something interesting to read Nature of God

Study this and understand it for those who are unbelievers

 

[christlovedeaf]

They want to blame someone, so they start off their blaming game on God. I don't think they do look at the whole picture, just one side. If you were to read atheist's websites, you will often find complaints about God, and how God should let everyone into heaven?

Something interesting to read Nature of God

Study this and understand it for those who are unbelievers

I know, and as I see, they don't picture God like we do. They are looking just in "religions' view other than who God really is and purpose of. So what people behaving putting God as the similar behavior, that's where they got problem and missing the whole point.

 

[xentar]

I am familiar about " The Queen of Heaven ". I don't believe in such things like this. There's no other God BEFORE or AFTER God.

Even when jesus supposedly said "drink my blood, eat my body" from the bible, it doesn't bother you to know that this very writing was inscribed on the remains of the temple the Vatican was built on, was dedicated to the God Mithras? And this was before Christianity.

And you're familiar with The Queen of Heaven, and yet it doesn't struck you as odd that the God you're worsshiping is following the same routine as the other gods before him? (same december birthday, has virgin mothers, etc)

Do you not want to believe 'it' because you think all this is a lie and they made it up, or you just think it can't be possibly true?

 

[Cheri]

ou know my posts for years... I alway use blue color as my own post when I quoted ADers´ posts.

Yes, but, How hard it is to quote each line of sentence that you want to reply on? Unless You're too lazy to do that?

No matter what... they have protection and tried their best to rescue the people from fire, criminals or whatever. It´s not just them but there´re dangerous and risk in everywhere... We people tried our best to protect ourselves as what we can... what Jesus doesn´t... He CAN ask his father for protection but he didn´t.

Oh Whatever, I'm not going to keep going at it with you, Jesus came to save us, does it mean anything to you? Jesus said in his words: “I am the bread of life,” “the light of the world,” “the resurrection and the life” which means he is God, so therefore God took his life in his hands for us. You'll never understand it unless you study it to get the knowledge of the real meaning of God, how God loves us, he's not a murder like you said he was. End of discussion.

I thought you are on bible´s side? This link I provided is not my word but bible author´s word. You don´t want to read and see philosophical logic then I can´t help you. (orange color is from link, not my word)

It has nothing to do with who's side I am on, I already know about Adam and Eve's, There's no needed for me to read again.

Yes I thought the same as you in the past until I OPEN my mind and saw the logical.... who plant the tree of knowledge in first place

Again, God WARNED them. Just like how it is in AllDeaf, Alex warned us about the rules of his forum, if you don't follow along, You'll get banned. Right? Same meaning.

The parents educated their children to not talk strangers, drink alochol, smoking, some foods, drugs or whatever because they are bad and can risk their life... Do you think the children LISTEN their parent´s warning? Nope, they peer their parent´s back to experiment out of curiously... I´m sure that you know most children experience their curiously... Right?

We punished our children right? Because children did the wrongful thing, not the righteous. You can call it experiment if you want, I don't think of it as an experiment, I think of it as they're chosen the wrong path.

My repeat answer: I only beleive in myself

Whatever floats your boat. Your life is not in my hands, It's in God's.

 

[Mistyrose]

The Bible has been banned,burned,scoffed,and ridiculed. Scholars have
mocked it as foolish. Kings have branded it as illegal. A thousand times
over it the grave has been dug and the dirge has begun, but somehow
the Bible never stays in the grave. Not only has it survived, it has
thrived. It is the single most popular book in all of history. It has been
the best-selling book in the world for years!.
There is no way on earth to explain it. Which perhaps is the only
explanation. The answer? The Bible's durability is not found on earth,
it is found in Heaven. For the millions who have tested its claims and
claimed its promises there is but one ANSWER-THE BIBLE IS GOD'S
BOOK AND GOD'S VOICE....
The purpose of the Bible is to proclaim God's plan and passion to save
his children. That is the reason this book has endured through the
centuries...It is the treaure map that leads us to God's highest treasure,
eternal life.

 

[Maria]

Who die for love is a suicidal. I don't support suicidal.

And, do YOU believe it is a suicidal ?

OR God sent his son to earth as a sacrifice for us?

Why do you think God sent His Only Begotten Son to die on the cross as sacrificed Lamb ?

Why can't God just forgive sin, instead of demanding justice?

FYI, I am not relyin' on the websites to make an excuses by findin' God's faults. I am NOT expectin' you to find links like this from the websites. I am expectin' you to find the scriptures from YOUR OWN Bible. Why do you always usin' the website to find links ? I don't think it will help you, because you are not showin' your challenge and learn on YOUR OWN without the website. I am afraid that Christians here are tellin' the truth about your " repeat " comments.

No wonder why I am consider to become to be an Agnostic...

You said you are considerin' to become an Agnostic ? Then, you can't accept Jesus and God.

I will post to share somethin' with you today when I gather up the scriptures from my own Bible...so, please bear with me.

 

[Mistyrose]

Sin came into the world because of what one man did, and with sin came death. This is why everyone must die..because everyone
sinned. One man disobeyed God, and many became sinners. In
the same way, one man obeyed God, and many will be made
right. Romans 5:12,19

Christ himself suffered for sins once. He was not guilty, but he
suffered for those who are guilty to bring you to God. His body
was killed, but he was made alive in the spirit. 1 Peter 3:18

 

[Cheri]

I would say the same... very, very, very, very, very simple to understand but you don´t want to see or try to picture philosophical logic on both sides between bible and real life because you are mother of children yourself... Would you throw your children out of house because your children disobey you?

Yes, I am the mother of my own children I will not throw my children out, Why would I? I love my boys unconditional, they will get punished for something they did wrong, I will not throw them out, God also love each one of us unconditional, and he punished those who do wrong, No differences.

But, I'm a sinner the same way my children are sinners, no differences. God is the one without a sin, so therefore don't compare people, me, to God.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

So, the same time, like lot of agnostic, unbelievers look the other side, all they focus on God as religion,

and God disrespect other religions,

Did God named Christianity as religion for you to be Christian belief? Nope, it´s people themselves who created the name of religions, not God.

Did you know why? Because the people have different view over the biblical interpretation...and are against each other that´s why they pick the name of religions then have their separate ways to worship God.[/COLOR]

God has a favortism and blah blah blah.It's like, *scratching my head*, I'm lost. They still didn't get it.

I´m lost... Nobody says here... ?

Problem is about "religion", not who God is and the purpose of it.

Exactly but you have a religion to become a Christian belief. Right?

So like silence about Eqyptian killed 1st born Hebrew boys, and get angry that God killed Egyptians. *scratch my head again*.

Yes we all know those history how and what Egyptains did to jews but we are wondering why the believers denied that God killed firstborns and blame Pharaoh for his disobeyence why the firstborns have to die... Yes we all accept the fact that Egyptains killed jews firstborns but it´s no excuse to blame Pharaoh for his disobeyence why the Egyptains firstborns have to die because it´s God who killed Egyptain firstborns. God should leave firstborns and do something with Pharaoh himself...