God Versus Satan

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jazzy said:
I have always love Mother Natures, they are my favorite subject. Earthquake, fires, hurricane, flooding, etc... are part of nature process which earth need to be cleansing everyday. Mother nature killed those people. God warned those people and they did not llisten to Him so they died on their own without God's help. God would have help them but they did not want to listen to Him. Noah was only one who listen to God. It goes same with tusanmia few years ago in Asia part. How can God be a killer if it is part of earth, always. I live right next door to world largest fault line and I knew it can kill me but I made a choice to stay here. If it kills me then so be it which it is my choice. It goes same for those people in bible time. Unless I listen to the voice of God within me, and tell me to get out of here then we would. Alike I did once witht Northridge earthquake back in 1994, for some reason I told my husband let get out of this and go somewhere faraway so we did and spend weekend out in the wilderness with no people around us. When we came back on Sunday, we were shocked to learn big earthquake hit. Thank God no one in my husband's family were hurt. Noah listen to God and do what God told him to do in advance. God already knew it will flood world wide as God did knew about few years ago which it killed 300,000 people. When I first heard the news, then I knew they are going to die the moment. Sad yes but u can not fight mother nature. It is part of life and processing. Should God stop mother nature? Nope but He can show people out of the harm way only if they listen to Him.
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God or Mother Nature?
God or Mother Nature? « hatchcreek.com Bible blog and tell me what you think of this link?


Okay, can you explain me the example about Epytian firstborns killed and more list... Dwindling In Unbelief: How many has God killed? Is it something do with Mother Nature?


Jazzy, you listen from the warning thru TV and medias about weather.. .Right? Yes, we listen thru TV and medias before prepare something.. I´m glad that you and your hubby are okay... Yes I´m agree that it´s mother nature who cause the weather like this.
 
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Maria said:
God planned all this before He created this earth and universe a loooong time ago. He KNEW that He will have to leave His Throne to come down and be born to become a flesh and named Him " Jesus " which is means " God with us " ( Immanuel ). He HAVE TO die on the cross for all mankind in order to save them by purchasin' all mankind through His Blood. He loves people soo much. That's HOW MUCH it worths His Death on the cross. It was very priceless for all mankind. He was WILLIN' to die. That word " willin' " ... that's a WOW. That's HOW MUCH He shows His Love for all of us. So, therefore, Satan CAN'T win. *raspberry @ Satan *

Interestin' note here : Jesus can raise from the dead after 3 days. Satan can't. Jesus beats Death.
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Amen to that!!
God is love and He loves us all!!
 
Maria said:
Beeecause, God is L O V E. Read John 3:16
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John 3:16

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only begotten Son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

It doesn't say that he is love. It says that he loved the world.

I know a lot of serial killers who killed their loved ones. ;)
 
Defee said:
Nooooo!! Thank goodness!!!
Satan is Hate!.... *get away from me, Satan!* *using my cross at
him!* lol!
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Defee ~

LOL You are right ! Satan is hate since there's no " Satan is Love " in the Bible.

Lieblin' ~

Right.

So, therefore it's Satan who is murderer/killer, because Satan is not love. Satan is always the opposite of everythin' from God.
 
VamPyroX said:
John 3:16

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only begotten Son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

It doesn't say that he is love. It says that he loved the world.

I know a lot of serial killers who killed their loved ones. ;)
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Since God so loved the world, He gave His One and Only Begotten Son to all mankind as gift - at no charge. Jesus is our present thru God's Love for all of us. Where's Satan's gift for all of us ? I don't see any for his love for all of us by forgivin'. God forgives us thru Jesus Christ.

Satan hates forgivin'. He never forgives. God always forgives, because of His Love. It's better to forgive others. It will make you to feel better and you will experience a new feelin' by makin' friends.
 
Maria said:
Since God so loved the world, He gave His One and Only Begotten Son to all mankind as gift - at no charge. Jesus is our present thru God's Love for all of us. Where's Satan's gift for all of us ? I don't see any for his love for all of us by forgivin'. God forgives us thru Jesus Christ.

Satan hates forgivin'. He never forgives. God always forgives, because of His Love. It's better to forgive others. It will make you to feel better and you will experience a new feelin' by makin' friends. [/COLOR]
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Yep, he sent his son to Earth to be slaughtered by the Jews.
 
VamPyroX said:
Yep, he sent his son to Earth to be slaughtered by the Jews.
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God didn't make those people kill Jesus, Jewish leaders were the ones who handed Jesus over to Rome and demanded his execution, The Romans killed Jesus even tortured, beat him, and crucified him. Even the people in the crowd yelling “crucify him!” and beat him too. :(
 
Cheri said:
God didn't make those people kill Jesus, Jewish leaders were the ones who handed Jesus over to Rome and demanded his execution, The Romans killed Jesus even tortured, beat him, and crucified him. Even the people in the crowd yelling “crucify him!” and beat him too. :(
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God knows what will happen to the people he sends to Earth.

In this case, God knew that people would slaughter Jesus... but sent him anyway.
 
VamPyroX said:
God knows what will happen to the people he sends to Earth.

In this case, God knew that people would slaughter Jesus... but sent him anyway.
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Jesus knew what he was getting himself into. Ok, well, Look at the whole picture, People's lives were such a mess, evil was everywhere even in people. Jesus was brought down to show people how to forgive, how to love, how to make peace, and how to pray, how to follow God's words etc. and part of it was for Jesus to die for our sins, that just to show people how much love God has for all of us. It's very difficult to understand, but I do understand, when it comes to powerful love, only certain people would understand it not everyone, unless they try to have the time to understand the bible and God. ;)

I think it's wrong for anyone to make accusations against God, for what he did, and how he did it, It wasn't him that kills, it was the people, their actions, their evil sins, their disobey. Why did they kill Jesus because Jesus was seen as a threat to them, to their world, even through he didn't do anything. It just shows the true colors of people their behavior, their action, their bad sins. ;)
 
Maria said:
Well, there's always ONE truth, ONE way... and, that is Jesus. Not many truths. There was ONLY and ONE man who died on the cross for all mankind. Who else died on the cross after Him ? Not even Mohammed or Buddah or any other prophet. Ohhh, yes ... NOT even Satan ! :)
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That's purely speculative, an opinion really. While your faith in your chosen religion is strong it does not make it a fact regardless of how much you believe it is.
 
Reba said:
Your posts:

"I do not wish to label God as murder but only say what the bibles say."

http://www.alldeaf.com/756994-post67.html

"Yes, I said that God is a murder is a fact because our bibles says so..."


http://www.alldeaf.com/759233-post358.html
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I didn´t see that I said that the bible call God a murder but I myself... I label God a murder because the bible say that God killed the people. :dunno:

What I responsed is right. This is a difference between "call" and "say". I didn´t say that the Bible call God a murder but the bible say that God killed the people.

Liebling´s post
Can you show me where I said that the Bible call God a murder? I only remember what I said: I only show you the list of people killed accord Bible. I only said what the bible say the God killed people in Noah Ark´s time, Mose time, and more list... I ask you what "kill" mean? Who kill the people? Check more links we provided in our previous posts here
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The bible said that God killed the people... What should we label God as....? of course murder! I know that author of the bible denied that God is a murder but said that God punished bad people to death. Remember that the bibles authors are human like us... They don´t like to label God as murder or killer but punished bad people and firstborns to death.

You didn´t answer my question in my previous posts... Again, question... What should you label a person as...... if someone said that a person kill people?

Again, you & others didn´t answer my 3rd question in my previous post... about the tree of knowledge.
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Again, why God create the tree of knowledge in first place when he want everything to be prefect and forever?

Why God created Evil in first place.. Is it because he want to test their faith or not?

I thought God can see future and know it´s bad... ? If yes, why can´t he destory tree of knowledge to save worst............before he created Eve and Adam. It would not happened if there´re no tree of knowledge... Right?
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http://www.alldeaf.com/759503-post379.html

Why nobody answers to this question?

 
Murder

Intentional takin' of human life, unlawful killin' of a human bein' by another ( Exodus 20:13; Deuteronomy 5:17 : " Thou shall not kill " ) because persons are created in the image of God and human life is viewed as a sacred trust. Deliberately takin' the life of a human bein' ursurps the authority that belongs to God. Murderer should be prepared to forfeit his own life ( Genesis 9:6 : " Whoso sheddeth man`s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: For in the image of God made he man. "; Numbers 35:16-31 : " But if he smote him with an instrument of iron, so that he died, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death. And if he smote him with a stone in the hand, whereby a man may die, and he died, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death. Or if he smote him with a weapon of wood in the hand, whereby a man may die, and he died, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death. The avenger of blood shall himself put the murderer to death: when he meeteth him, he shall put him to death. And if he thrust him of hatred, or hurled at him, lying in wait, so that he died, or in enmity smote him with his hand, so that he died; he that smote him shall surely be put to death; he is a murderer: the avenger of blood shall put the murderer to death, when he meeteth him. But if he thrust him suddenly without enmity, or hurled upon him anything without lying in wait, or with any stone, whereby a man may die, seeing him not, and cast it upon him, so that he died, and he was not his enemy, neither sought his harm; then the congregation shall judge between the smiter and the avenger of blood according to these ordinances; and the congregation shall deliver the manslayer out of the hand of the avenger of blood, and the congregation shall restore him to his city of refuge, whither he was fled: and he shall dwell therein until the death of the high priest, who was anointed with the holy oil. But if the manslayer shall at any time go beyond the border of his city of refuge, whither he fleeth, and the avenger of blood find him without the border of his city of refuge, and the avenger of blood slay the manslayer; he shall not be guilty of blood, because he should have remained in his city of refuge until the death of the high priest: but after the death of the high priest the manslayer shall return into the land of his possession. And these things shall be for a statute [and] ordinance unto you throughout your generations in all your dwellings. Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be slain at the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person that he die. Moreover ye shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer, that is guilty of death; but he shall surely be put to death. " ). Jesus removed the concept of murder from a physical act to the intention of one's heart ( Matthew 5:21-22 : " Ye have heard that it was said to them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment; and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council; and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire. " ). Murder really begins when one loses respect for another human bein'. " Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abidin' in him ( 1 John 3:15 ).
 
VamPyroX said:
John 3:16

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only begotten Son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

It doesn't say that he is love. It says that he loved the world.

I know a lot of serial killers who killed their loved ones. ;)
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"The world" refers to all the people on earth, past, present, and future.

God loves all people, even though we are not worthy of His love.

As you said, even serial killers can love their loved ones. But God loves even those who hate and slander Him. God loves the unlovely.

Romans 5
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
 
Maria said:

Lieblin' ~

Right.

So, therefore it's Satan who is murderer/killer, because Satan is not love. Satan is always the opposite of everythin' from God.
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I do not see that Satan is a killer but troublemaker and like to play with people for the fun.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
After read those link, you provided here but it´s not enough... I´m still confusing...

Again, why God create the tree of knowledge in first place when he want everything to be prefect and forever?

Why God created Evil in first place.. Is it because he want to test their faith or not?

I thought God can see future and know it´s bad... ? If yes, why can´t he destory tree of knowledge to save worst............before he created Eve and Adam. It would not happened if there´re no tree of knowledge... Right?


All what I see is Satan is not killer but troublemaker.
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I agree with you.

I can imagine what it would be like if we were to apply the judicial system to Adam and Eve.

It would be argued that they were tempted by Satan. And of course, Satan's argument would be... "What's wrong with the tree? If it's the tree of knowledge, then the people have the right to that knowledge!"
 
Cheri said:
Jesus knew what he was getting himself into
Ok, well, Look at the whole picture, People's lives were such a mess, evil was everywhere even in people. Jesus was brought down to show people how to forgive, how to love, how to make peace, and how to pray, how to follow God's words etc. and part of it was for Jesus to die for our sins, that just to show people how much love God has for all of us. It's very difficult to understand, but I do understand, when it comes to powerful love, only certain people would understand it not everyone, unless they try to have the time to understand the bible and God. ;)
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Yes, that´s what the bibles says but...

See red bond
Would you die for love?

I remember that the Christians often said in any threads that the commit suicide is a sin. What Jesus did is a commit suicide...or what?

I think it's wrong for anyone to make accusations against God, for what he did, and how he did it,
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See the list accord the bibles what the God did to people...
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Liebling:-))) said:
I didn´t see that I said that the bible call God a murder but I myself... I label God a murder because the bible say that God killed the people. :dunno:
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Don't you even read your own statements?

Your posts:

"I do not wish to label God as murder but only say what the bibles say."

http://www.alldeaf.com/756994-post67.html

"Yes, I said that God is a murder is a fact because our bibles says so..."

http://www.alldeaf.com/759233-post358.html


What I responsed is right. This is a difference between "call" and "say". I didn´t say that the Bible call God a murder but the bible say that God killed the people.
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You can't weasel out of this one. Your words are posted for all to see.

If you make outrageous statements, you should be "man" enough to back them up.


You didn´t answer my question in my previous posts... Again, question... What should you label a person as...... if someone said that a person kill people?
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Yes, I've answered that question of your's several times, in several threads.

I don't "label" people who kill other people. There are too many variables. "Killing" includes accidents, self-defense, combat, manslaughter, lawful execution, abortion, euthanasia, homicide, neglect, etc.

Also, you're asking about "a person kill person." God is God, not any "person" as a mortal human being.


Again, you & others didn´t answer my 3rd question in my previous post... about the tree of knowledge.
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Yes, I did. The link I provided you included the same information that I would use.

If you have specific questions about any parts of that link, please post the reference and question.

I can give you the answers. I can't force you to believe them. But don't say I didn't answer your question just because you don't accept the answer.
 
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