God Versus Satan

[Reba]

It look like that you think JW´s bible is not right bible... You claim that JW copied it... It is a critizing...

How is that "criticizing"? A story book is not a Bible. I'm sure if you even ask a JW if their story book is a Bible, they would tell you "no"; it's a book of Bible stories. Almost all "Christian" religions have Bible story books, in addition to real Bibles, especially for children. The story books don't replace Bibles. Most Christians understand that story books are for reading enjoyment, not for deep study.

...What I pointed the nameless bibles mean = without name kind of religion, anyone believe in... Don´t you know what nameless mean?

Nameless
nameless definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta

Understand?

I've never heard of a "nameless" Bible. Every Bible has a title, and every Bible has a page inside that describes which translation it is (KJV, New American Standard, Revised Standard Version, etc.), and the date of publication. Several Bible translations are used by various religions and denominations. For example, KJV doesn't "belong" to just one denomination. It can be used by anyone.

The word "bible" has a generic definition but "Bible" or "Holy Bible" as referring to the Scriptures is a very specific title. It's not "nameless".

Yes, I said that God is a murder is a fact because our bibles says so...

Where does the Bible say "God is a murderer"? Please show me the reference.

... I label God as murder and use my theory.

That is your judgment against God.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

There you go again, Blaming God!

Huh? I only asked a simple question why God created a tree when he knows that tree is a dangerous before he created Eve and Adam... If I were God and would of destory those tree for my children´s safe. It´s my simple theory...

God was testing them to see if they will obey God or Satan.

Ohhh I see... I got it... You said the same thing as my JW friends and my Roman Catholic Grandma said... I asked them the same question what I asked you all here. My JW friends explained me the reason why he created a special tree because he want to test Eve and Adam for their faith either they beleive God or Satan... My JW friends are open mind and accept my view when I disagree to this. Of course I told them that I see no excuse to test them for their faith.. Look what he did... we got sinner... Look like that God KNEW Satan is exist before he created Eve and Adam... but never warn them about Satan... that´s what I would not do that to my children... I rather to have my children´s safety than test them.

 

[Reba]

Again, who create Relignon images which mean is create their own belief to become what they are.

God and Jesus did not choose Catholic, Baptist, Christianity, JW, Mormon, Luthern, and more relignons... Who created those names of Religion? That´s what I call them as their images.

If you mean the names of religious groups, then those names are chosen by people. Sometimes the groups name themselves, sometimes they are named by other people outside their group. Those are just names or titles. Those aren't images.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Rather than typing a lengthy reply right now, I'll provide you with this link:

Apologetics Press - Why Did God Create the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?

It pretty much states the same things I would post, and provides references.

After you read it, if you have further questions, then we can discuss.

Thank you for provide this link here...

Okay, I will be back for couple hours to read your link and answer what I think. (I have to give my son to use computer)

 

[Mistyrose]

*scratch my head*

Where have I say that your bible is wrong... ?

Did I fight with you all? wow, you alway like that when you don´t like the people who have different belief as you... Look yourself what you did at other thread... Here again Now you said that I fight with you all? *shake my head*

Again, is it forbidden to use nameless bibles to compare with my theory? I can say whatever what I want accord the title of thread without bash/insult/judge you people. You are upset because I share my view what I thought about nameless bibles... Where have I say bad about your bible? Please show me where?

I am reading my bible against your bible... ? I stated in my previous post that I SHARE my bibles with you all and show you what the bibles says.. because I am trying to tell you all that the author interpreted our bibles differently. Don´t you know what "SHARE" mean?

Share
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Understand?

Is it forbidden to read any bibles including JW, Buddhism, Muslim, Islam, more religion books? It doesn´t mean that I am JW because I own JW bibles... *shake my head* Its about open mind to read ANY bibles to learn where they come from... Oh yes, I visit Islam belief, Buddhism biblie or whatever because I´m INTERESTING to learn what and why they beleive in... until Yiffer came... and very interesting debate... wow very interesting to learn where he come from... I accept what he is... no matter what... but you? I don´t mind to accept Islam, Buddhism, or else books as gift from anyone including Yiffer... It doesn´t mean that I am Islam, muslim or whatever because I own their books... :roll:

You said that it´s different Religions... So?... It´s their BELIEFS... if they belevie their bibles are right then is their belief... If you beleive that your bible is right then is your own belief... Got it?



I quoted Cheri´s post, not you...

Well, geez if you want to study all kinds of religions, go right ahead but
I dont cuz its different from my Bible and my religion, ok? It is your prerogative (choice). I do not care about other beliefs, not my interest, thats all..thats the point. You just bash, yes you do it, against our beliefs, that is what you are doing! I realize other bibles and religions are different so I
respect that. I dont argue against their beliefs so why are you arguing
against ours, huh? why dont you respect ours????
As for you saying others taking sides with me, they are not...dont
be silly. They are simply saying they are agreeing with others, thats
all.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

How is that "criticizing"? A story book is not a Bible. I'm sure if you even ask a JW if their story book is a Bible, they would tell you "no"; it's a book of Bible stories. Almost all "Christian" religions have Bible story books, in addition to real Bibles, especially for children. The story books don't replace Bibles. Most Christians understand that story books are for reading enjoyment, not for deep study.

What you said that JW´s bible is not bible book then is criticizing because you disagree that JW´s bible is true bible book.

I do not need to ask anyone either JW´s bible is really bible book...but accept if JW said that this is a bible book because it´s their belief. I cannot express my disapproval toward them to tell them that their bibles are not right bibles and my bible is a true bible.

I've never heard of a "nameless" Bible. Every Bible has a title, and every Bible has a page inside that describes which translation it is (KJV, New American Standard, Revised Standard Version, etc.), and the date of publication. Several Bible translations are used by various religions and denominations. For example, KJV doesn't "belong" to just one denomination. It can be used by anyone.

The word "bible" has a generic definition but "Bible" or "Holy Bible" as referring to the Scriptures is a very specific title. It's not "nameless".

nameless
nameless definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta

I know all the bibles have titles. Due the respect, I would not name any bibles to fight with any beleifs here in the thread. If you want to talk about your own belief and want to know what anyone think of your belief then create your threads. It´s not my taste to critizing your and other belief and tell you that your bibles are wrong and my bible are true bible... I use nameless bibles which mean is talk about bibles without name in general way...

Where does the Bible say "God is a murderer"? Please show me the reference.

For God or Religion author, God is not a murder but punish bad people and they have to die because they are bad people. To me, he is a murder because he kill people, no matter what. Kill is Kill...

That is your judgment against God.

I´m sorry if you don´t like it but it´s fact... Yes I judge murders no matter either God, King, Queen, Government, people or whatever but I judge them equal because they did the same thing. It is a hypothetical if I treat God and others differently when they did the same thing. No Way...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Well, geez if you want to study all kinds of religions, go right ahead but
I dont cuz its different from my Bible and my religion, ok? It is your prerogative (choice). I do not care about other beliefs, not my interest, thats all..thats the point. You just bash, yes you do it, against our beliefs, that is what you are doing! I realize other bibles and religions are different so I
respect that. I dont argue against their beliefs so why are you arguing
against ours, huh? why dont you respect ours????
As for you saying others taking sides with me, they are not...dont
be silly. They are simply saying they are agreeing with others, thats
all.

:roll: your post make no sense to me...

 

[Mistyrose]

:roll: your post make no sense to me...

well, im sorry but most of your posts dont make sense either
as they are pretty inane.:roll:

 

[Reba]

What you said that JW´s bible is not bible book then is criticizing because you disagree that JW´s bible is true bible book.

The JW's themselves titled it a "story book". If they call it a story book, why should I disagree? They picked the title, not me, so I'm not criticizing them. I agree with them. A story book should be titled a story book. Fine.

I do not need to ask anyone either JW´s bible is really bible book...but accept if JW said that this is a bible book because it´s their belief.

Right. Those are books about the Bible. That has nothing to do with "right" and "wrong" Bible translations.

... If you want to talk about your own belief and want to know what anyone think of your belief then create your threads...

Huh?

For God or Religion author, God is not a murder but punish bad people and they have to die because they are bad people. To me, he is a murder because he kill people, no matter what. Kill is Kill...

In your previous post, you said that the Bible called God a murderer. If you make a statement that bold you should be able to back it up with facts. I asked you to give the references in the Bible where it says that. If you can't support your statement with proof, then I (or anyone else) can challenge your statement.

So, I'll ask once more, nicely. Please provide the references from the Bible where it says "God is a murderer".

I´m sorry if you don´t like it but it´s fact...

How is it "fact"? Just because you declare it? I could say the moon is green cheese but that doesn't make it a "fact" just because I say so.

Yes I judge murders no matter either God, King, Queen, Government, people or whatever but I judge them equal because they did the same thing. It is a hypothetical if I treat God and others differently when they did the same thing. No Way...

Now I understand why the German judicial system doesn't use citizen juries.

 

[Tousi]

I hereby induct Reba into sainthood for she is the epitome of patience and decorum! Wait, that's creating an image, Tousi!

 

[Reba]

I hereby induct Reba into sainthood for she is the epitome of patience and decorum! Wait, that's creating an image, Tousi!

 

[Mistyrose]

I hereby induct Reba into sainthood for she is the epitome of patience and decorum! Wait, that's creating an image, Tousi!

thats a good one, Tousi!!

 

[VamPyroX]

I got it..

But it says "The Book of Bible Stories" on front of the bible (bible story) and the "bible" is written in 2nd page...
"WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF PENNSYLVANIA"

and other bible with scriptures didn´t show "bible" but written "Bible" in 2nd. page... "New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures".

That sounds like a Jehovah's Witness Bible.

 

[VamPyroX]

Who oversees what the Bible says?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

That sounds like a Jehovah's Witness Bible.

Yes this is a Jehovah´s Witness Bible. I really don´t care what they beleive in but accept their book as gift. If the people said that JW´s Catholic´s, Baptist´s Luther´s and more belief bible book is not right bible book then is their own beleif. All what I see is they critizing their belief because they think their bible book are right and other bible book are not right... Í really don´t care but accept the any bible books from diffferent beliefs as gift... I only share what JW´s bible says...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

well, im sorry but most of your posts dont make sense either
as they are pretty inane.:roll:

wow, very interesting.... You call most of my posts inane? This is not polite word but disrespect word... You call some people fool and more insult words because they see different view as you. *shake my head* I didn´t call most of your post inane but one of your posts, I quoted to say that your post make no sense to me.. Why? I am going to quote your post and show you why...

Originally Posted by Defee
Well, geez if you want to study all kinds of religions, go right ahead but
I dont cuz its different from my Bible and my religion, ok?

Where have I say that you should study kind of religions? Nope, I only said that I accept the books as gift from anyone no matter what BECAUSE you said that I am JW because I own their book.

Got it?

Originally Posted by Defee
You just bash, yes you do it, against our beliefs, that is what you are doing!

I didn´t break AD Forum´s rule... Did I?

1.) Members are not allowed to make posts that are discriminating, racist, threatening, hateful, or include links to pornography or warez.

3.) NO TROLLING. A troll is someone who provokes members into flaming discussions by posting outrageous messages, and usually ends with name callings and flame wars.

http://www.alldeaf.com/announcements/95-forum-rules.html

If you still think I bash against your belief then show me where? You can press bad report on me if you felt being bash by me. I do not see that I bash but compare the bibles with real life as theory... I know that I didn´t break AD´s rule...

I realize other bibles and religions are different so I
respect that.

I do not see that you respect different religions because I already saw your posts at some threads. You disrespect me because you called my posts as inane... and bash the people and insult them with names in other thread.

I dont argue against their beliefs

Yes you are.

so why are you arguing

No, I am not argue but compare the bibles with real life and make polite and open mind debate. I only debate where the creator put his thread under "On-topic Debates" Section which mean is I am allow to debate with agree/disgree without bash/insult anyone.... Please use common sense.

against ours, huh? why dont you respect ours????

Can you show me where have I against your belief?

As for you saying others taking sides with me, they are not...dont
be silly. They are simply saying they are agreeing with others, thats
all.

Again, I quoted Cheri, not you.

I do not see that she post agree/disagree with you but support your post against me... You has no reason to jump on me for her tell me what to do. If Cheri see different then tell me herself, not you.

Defee, You're correct, Liebling does twisted it around. Enough said by me.

What is this? Is it agree/disagree? No, she support you against me... This is a difference.

Did you read AD´s Forum Rule?
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Even though we support freedom of speech, show some respect, use common sense, and keep an open mind when participating in discussions.

http://www.alldeaf.com/announcements/95-forum-rules.html


Again, you said that most of my posts are inane... Now I am asking you question... Do you have children? If yes, would you do the same what God did to their children? Try to see the sense and see the logical... If you refuse to see the logical then is your own choice...

Please use your common sense.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

The JW's themselves titled it a "story book". If they call it a story book, why should I disagree? They picked the title, not me, so I'm not criticizing them. I agree with them. A story book should be titled a story book. Fine.

Again, I already said that I have TWO bibles book... One bible book is bible story and other bible book is with scriputures."New World Translation of the Holy Scriputures"... You said that that JW´s bible book is not right bible book because of the title... It´s JW´s choice to pick the title on their books, not us.

Each Relgiion Author have different view to pick to name the title. I can´t criticize to tell them to put right title on the book... Why should we worry over that correct title?

Right. Those are books about the Bible. That has nothing to do with "right" and "wrong" Bible translations.

You said in other posts that JW´s book is not bible translation book.

In your previous post, you said that the Bible called God a murderer.

Can you show me where I said that the Bible call God a murder? I only remember what I said: I only show you the list of people killed accord Bible. I only said what the bible say the God killed people in Noah Ark´s time, Mose time, and more list... I ask you what "kill" mean? Who kill the people? Check more links we provided in our previous posts here.

If you make a statement that bold you should be able to back it up with facts. I asked you to give the references in the Bible where it says that. If you can't support your statement with proof, then I (or anyone else) can challenge your statement.

So, I'll ask once more, nicely. Please provide the references from the Bible where it says "God is a murderer".

Again, the author of bibles did not call God a murder but we people open our mind and see the sense what and how God did to the people.

Check this link and see yourself what the people see the view after read those bible what and how God killed the people.
God kill people - Google-Suche

God is a killer - Google-Suche

Dwindling In Unbelief: How many has God killed?

I can see that the Religion authors denied to label God as a killer or murder but said that God punish bad people to death because they don´t beleive in him... worst is innoncent firstborns have to die because their parents are bad people.

How is it "fact"? Just because you declare it? I could say the moon is green cheese but that doesn't make it a "fact" just because I say so.

What would you call if a person kill people when you disagree that it´s a murder or killer, then what? Punishment? not murder?

Now I understand why the German judicial system doesn't use citizen juries.

That´s why we do not support death penalty because they are also murder, too. I would consider Government as a murder the same, no matter what if they punish the bad people to death.

Yes I label Nazis as murder because they killed Jews and Germans.


If a person kill the people then is murder, not punishment... If a person punish the people is go to jail or whatever then is punishment, not murder.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

If you mean the names of religious groups, then those names are chosen by people. Sometimes the groups name themselves, sometimes they are named by other people outside their group. Those are just names or titles. Those aren't images.

No matter

God and Jesus didn´t give them the name of religion... It´s people who created the kind of religion themselves because they disagreed each other over interpretation of the bibles.... that´s why they created their own image of religion.. something like that they picture the image which name they choose before put the name to become kind of religion.

All what I see that many different religions are against each other over their beliefs.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Rather than typing a lengthy reply right now, I'll provide you with this link:

Apologetics Press - Why Did God Create the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?

It pretty much states the same things I would post, and provides references.

After you read it, if you have further questions, then we can discuss.

After read those link, you provided here but it´s not enough... I´m still confusing...

Again, why God create the tree of knowledge in first place when he want everything to be prefect and forever?

Why God created Evil in first place.. Is it because he want to test their faith or not?

I thought God can see future and know it´s bad... ? If yes, why can´t he destory tree of knowledge to save worst............before he created Eve and Adam. It would not happened if there´re no tree of knowledge... Right?


All what I see is Satan is not killer but troublemaker.

 

[Dark-Half]

Is it me or do these religious threads almost always end up with people striving to argue with eachother about opinions and trying to shove faith and logic into one bottle? It just seems so repetive, while the thread name changes the content and thoughts of people do not.