God Versus Satan

[Reba]

Why should the people create their own religion images to worship God and Jesus when God and Jesus don´t have their own religion? That´s because they have different view to interpret the scritpures of bibles...?

People are NOT supposed to create images to worship. God commanded people to NOT make images of worship.

God and Jesus beleive in themselves... I´m the same as them as well because I beleive in myself as well with no religion to involve with or critizing to.

God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit can "believe in" themselves because They ARE God. We can't believe in ourselves because we are NOT God; we are just sinners. We can't believe in sinners.

 

[Mistyrose]

Those two books aren't Bibles. The first one is Bible "stories", and the second one doesn't even call itself a Bible.

Thats what i was thinking too...

 

[Mistyrose]

wow, you support Defee against me...

Have you seen me support anyone against you?

I support nobody but agree to disagree with them without support anyone... Now you here...

I´m sorry if you can´t accept my view what I see different as you.

We are trying to tell you that our Bible is NOT FICTIONAL, period. You
are trying to say that our Bible verses is sooo wrong in your EYES, thats
what you are doing! You are fighting us, Just you! You cant compare your
Bible like JW or Koran or whatever you are reading against our Bible, ok??
Of course, there are many kinds of Bibles, If you are reading JW, then of
course You are JW, that is a DIFFERENT RELIGION, much like Muslim is
reading Koran, they worhip Allah, do you understand?
We are not taking sides, geeeez.

 

[Cheri]

wow, Did you know what you are saying here? Did you know what critizing is? See yourself what you said here is bible-thumper and criticize JW´s belief... and claimed that JW´s bible is not a bible... :jaw:

How am I criticize JW? All I stated was "those are Jehovah's Witnesses books" Why don't you do more information on the books that you received from someone, instead of making assumptions that I'm criticizing JW.

I already stated in my previous post that I doubt either our bibles are correct or not... You said that your bible is right and my bible is wrong... wow... This is a definitely bible-thumper or bible-basher.

Where did I stated that my bible was correct, I have not mention in this thread the name of my bible, Show me where I stated that. Provide your fact before assuming me.

Oh yes, all what I see is Christians who are angry and bash people for "try to win the relignon debate" in Mommyof3´s thread.

All Christians?? Re-read the thread again, now again you made another assumption. tsk tsk!! One of the moderator posted in that thread, and who was he speaking to? Wasn't me, Wasn't Reba, Wasn't Defee (And We're Christians). Don't point fingers at Christians, It goes both ways, not one way street.

I convinced them to accept if the people have different belief as them.

Seems to me there's a misunderstanding, I haven't seen you kept an open mind and try to learn as much as possible about our beliefs, You did quoted each one of us, how is that accepting our beliefs? If you were open-minded enough to know that not everyone has the same belief as you, You would never quoted our posts and say our "bible is not true", or "God is a murder", list goes on and on, but you get what I'm saying.

You often said to not critizing people´s belief but respect their beliefs... Now you said here yourself... *shake my head*

You don't even know the differences between criticizing someone's belief, and agreeing to disagree, and I answered most of your questions and some in here also, and I've also degreed with some of yours and other's posts. So have you to me and others. You should never "assume" because assuming makes an "ass" out of "you" and "me"

It look like that you let friendship to ruin because of different views and beliefs... ?

You're speaking of me? Again provide me fact where I stated that?, I've publicly expressed my opinions, so have you, what does this have to do with "friendship"? between whom? Me and You or others, be more specify. I can't read your mind.

 

[Maria]

I forget to ask you question in my previous post.

No a husband and wife are not become one... It doesn´t mean that my hubby is my son, brother or father because I married him and use his last name. He is a man, whom I love and married to and create babies with him.

You said that Jesus is a God because Jesus and God are in one... Do you mean that my sons and I are in one? My son is a Liebling. Right?

Edit: Maria aks CyberRed

Let me explain this once again. When you and your husband got married, both of you are becomin' one. For example : Before you both get married, you were Miss. Alldeaf and your husband was Mr. Alldeaf. And, NOW both of you are married : Both of you and your husband are now Mr. and Mrs. Alldeaf. Both of you are no longer separated, because of the marriage both of you are now together as ONE. Your last name is now your husband's last name because, you are married to him. Your children's last name are after their father's. ALL of you are in ONE family as one last name after your husband's. I hope this makes clear to you this time.

Jesus and God - same thing. They are all in ONE and even, the Holy Spirit are with Jesus and God, too. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are in One. They agreed together spiritually : See John 1:1-5+

I believe Jesus is the Son of God AND, even He is God. I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Saviour - the One who died for me on the cross and purchased me with His blood. Now, I am God's child. I am in His Family. That's only for my soul where I will go to Heaven one day. My flesh doesn't mean anythin' because, it will return to the dust after I die, but my soul will live.

Does this make clear to you ?

 

[Mistyrose]

Question again...

Who created the forbidden tree, special tree, tree of knowledge, tree of evil and God or whatever in first place?

Yes I know all of your answer is God...

Why he created a tree like this in first place then when he wish to have beautiful everything in paraisde, forever, happy forever etc..?

What is the reason he created like this?

I image a picture to myself... My hubby & I created our dream home and family like you all.. Of course you all care about children´s safety. Right? We know how to aviod something for our children´s safety when we know something are dangerous but why God didn´t do that when he know that tree is dangerous in first place? Why can´t he destory that tree when he saw how risk a tree is?

God leave Eve and Adam alone with animals in garden of Eden... Why can´t he stop the snake who tried to lead Eve to beleive?

Anyway, who created a dangerous tree in first place then is God´s responsiblity.

There you go again, Blaming God!
We all were born sinners so therefore, Adam and Eve were born sinners
so when God told them NOT to eat the forbidden fruit from that tree,
and when they DID eat the fruit, they DISOBEYED God, Adam and Eve
sinned. God was testing them to see if they will obey God or Satan.
Ok? Hope that help u understand.

Psst, Reba...if im wrong about this...Please correct me on this
on, ok? Thanks!!

 

[Reba]

There you go again, Blaming God!
We all were born sinners so therefore, Adam and Eve were born sinners
so when God told them NOT to eat the forbidden fruit from that tree,
and when they DID eat the fruit, they DISOBEYED God, Adam and Eve
sinned. God was testing them to see if they will obey God or Satan.
Ok? Hope that help u understand.

Psst, Reba...if im wrong about this...Please correct me on this
on, ok? Thanks!!

Well, Adam and Eve weren't born sinners. God created them perfect and sinless. They first sinned when they disobeyed God and ate the forbidden fruit. Every child born to them, and passed down thru all generations, were born with sin natures.

Romans 5
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

 

[Mistyrose]

Well, Adam and Eve weren't born sinners. God created them perfect and sinless. They first sinned when they disobeyed God and ate the forbidden fruit. Every child born to them, and passed down thru all generations, were born with sin natures.

Romans 5
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Yes, u are right! I had a feeling that i was wrong about Adam and
Eve..i went and look up my Bible...well, duh me! i was wrong! They
were perfect and sinless at first until they disobeyed God..Thanks for
correcting me, where was my head today ?...guess one my screws in
my head was loose and needed to be tightened..lol!

 

[Cheri]

Yes, u are right! I had a feeling that i was wrong about Adam and
Eve..i went and look up my Bible...well, duh me!

It can happened, I've been wrong at times too, and even admit it.

 

[Mistyrose]

It can happened, I've been wrong at times too, and even admit it.

Oh i know..Im not ashamed to admit that i can be wrong
at times, I didnt have enough coffee to perk up my
brain this morning... hahaha! just kiddin..

 

[Reba]

Yes, u are right! I had a feeling that i was wrong about Adam and
Eve..i went and look up my Bible...well, duh me! i was wrong! They
were perfect and sinless at first until they disobeyed God..Thanks for
correcting me, where was my head today ?...guess one my screws in
my head was loose and needed to be tightened..lol!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

People are NOT supposed to create images to worship. God commanded people to NOT make images of worship.

Therefore yes!

Who created Religion images to become Christianity, Roman Catholic, Baptist, Mormon, JW, Luther, and more beliefs to worship God?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Nobody answer my question the reason why God created a tree when he know that tree is a dangerous tree before create Eve and Adam? interesting...

Question again...

Who created the forbidden tree, special tree, tree of knowledge, tree of evil and God or whatever in first place?

Yes I know all of your answer is God...

Why he created a tree like this in first place then when he wish to have beautiful everything in paraisde, forever, happy forever etc..?

What is the reason he created like this?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Thats what i was thinking too...

Interesting... You judge that the bible I receive as the gift from JW is not right bible... Did I said anything that your bible is wrong, don´t I?

 

[Reba]

Therefore yes!

Who created Religion images to become Christianity, Roman Catholic, Baptist, Mormon, JW, Luther, and more beliefs to worship God?

I'm sorry, I'm not understanding your question. What do you mean "images"? I thought you meant like statues but that doesn't fit your question because Baptists and some others don't use images in their worship.

 

[Reba]

Nobody answer my question the reason why God created a tree when he know that tree is a dangerous tree before create Eve and Adam?

Rather than typing a lengthy reply right now, I'll provide you with this link:

Apologetics Press - Why Did God Create the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?

It pretty much states the same things I would post, and provides references.

After you read it, if you have further questions, then we can discuss.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

We are trying to tell you that our Bible is NOT FICTIONAL, period. You
are trying to say that our Bible verses is sooo wrong in your EYES, thats
what you are doing! You are fighting us, Just you! You cant compare your
Bible like JW or Koran or whatever you are reading against our Bible, ok??
Of course, there are many kinds of Bibles, If you are reading JW, then of
course You are JW, that is a DIFFERENT RELIGION, much like Muslim is
reading Koran, they worhip Allah, do you understand?
We are not taking sides, geeeez.

*scratch my head*

Where have I say that your bible is wrong... ?

Did I fight with you all? wow, you alway like that when you don´t like the people who have different belief as you... Look yourself what you did at other thread... Here again Now you said that I fight with you all? *shake my head*

Again, is it forbidden to use nameless bibles to compare with my theory? I can say whatever what I want accord the title of thread without bash/insult/judge you people. You are upset because I share my view what I thought about nameless bibles... Where have I say bad about your bible? Please show me where?

I am reading my bible against your bible... ? I stated in my previous post that I SHARE my bibles with you all and show you what the bibles says.. because I am trying to tell you all that the author interpreted our bibles differently. Don´t you know what "SHARE" mean?

Share
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Understand?

Is it forbidden to read any bibles including JW, Buddhism, Muslim, Islam, more religion books? It doesn´t mean that I am JW because I own JW bibles... *shake my head* Its about open mind to read ANY bibles to learn where they come from... Oh yes, I visit Islam belief, Buddhism biblie or whatever because I´m INTERESTING to learn what and why they beleive in... until Yiffer came... and very interesting debate... wow very interesting to learn where he come from... I accept what he is... no matter what... but you? I don´t mind to accept Islam, Buddhism, or else books as gift from anyone including Yiffer... It doesn´t mean that I am Islam, muslim or whatever because I own their books... :roll:

You said that it´s different Religions... So?... It´s their BELIEFS... if they belevie their bibles are right then is their belief... If you beleive that your bible is right then is your own belief... Got it?

We are not taking sides, geeeez

I quoted Cheri´s post, not you...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

How am I criticize JW? All I stated was "those are Jehovah's Witnesses books" Why don't you do more information on the books that you received from someone, instead of making assumptions that I'm criticizing JW.

Where did I stated that my bible was correct, I have not mention in this thread the name of my bible, Show me where I stated that. Provide your fact before assuming me.

Yes you have...

See yourself what you said...

Cheri´s post
And those are Jehovah's Witnesses related books. Come to think of it, It seems that Jehovah's witnesses have copied things off the bible making it in stories.

It look like that you think JW ´s bible is not right bible... You claim that JW copied it... It is a critizing...

All Christians?? Re-read the thread again, now again you made another assumption. tsk tsk!! One of the moderator posted in that thread, and who was he speaking to? Wasn't me, Wasn't Reba, Wasn't Defee (And We're Christians). Don't point fingers at Christians, It goes both ways, not one way street.

All? where have I said All? *scratch my head* Go Mommyof3´s thread and re-read yourself.

Seems to me there's a misunderstanding, I haven't seen you kept an open mind and try to learn as much as possible about our beliefs

,

I am pretty open mind and see the view between nameless bible and real life but you refuse to see the fact and think I do against your belief... Who refuse to see the sense then is their problem to open their mind. We are not here to talk about our Religion beliefs but nameless bibles in general way accord the title of thread... "God vs Satan"... without name kind of Religion... You has the problem to open your mind because I am open mind to see the view between nameless bibles and real life in general way... You has the problem to accept other´s belief but your own belief... I accept any beliefs they have... and like to learn where they come from...

You did quoted each one of us, how is that accepting our beliefs? If you were open-minded enough to know that not everyone has the same belief as you, You would never quoted our posts and say our "bible is not true", or "God is a murder", list goes on and on, but you get what I'm saying.

What I pointed the nameless bibles mean = without name kind of religion, anyone believe in... Don´t you know what nameless mean?

Nameless
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Understand?

Repeated: Where have I against your belief...? Please show me where I judge or against your belief?

Where have I say that the bible is not true? Repeated: I DOUBT either OUR (your, my, and everyone´s) bibles are correct or not...

doubt
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Understand?

Yes, I said that God is a murder is a fact because our bibles says so... (including JW, catholic, christianity, Luthern, Baptist, etc...). At first I didn´t pay my attention that God kill the people... All the time I thought that God punish bad people and bad people deserve die.... until I saw the title "God vs Satan" and then visit google... and open my mind and saw the fact... and then re-read my bibles until I saw the point... KILL is KILL...period. It sound hypothetical to me if I treat the people and God differently when they did the same thing... Yes I label anyone as murder who kill the people equal, no matter either God, King, Queen, Pope or people or whatever...but still equal because they did the same thing. It sound hypothetical if I said that I don´t blame God to kill the people and judge people as murder for kill other people... I would not do that... I´m a straight person and tell straight what I see... period.

You don't even know the differences between criticizing someone's belief, and agreeing to disagree, and I answered most of your questions and some in here also, and I've also degreed with some of yours and other's posts. So have you to me and others. You should never "assume" because assuming makes an "ass" out of "you" and "me"

Oh Yes I know the difference between criticizing and agree/disagree... All what I see that you are upset because I label God as murder and use my theory. You cannot accept that I see different view as you... You cannot debate in polite way with us... because you are upset and think I against your belief and critizing your belief... which I only pointed nameless bibles... That´s problem... I have no problem to have you to disagree with me and tried to point out but I have the problem that you are angry and upset that I label God as murder.... and tried to compare true friends and book etc... which is not acceptance... I tried to convince you that you can´t compare true friends with book because true friends are exist, I can communicate with but the book doesn´t... This is a difference. You refuse see the example about rumor... I beleive in person than listen the rumor... Should I beleive all bibles? No, but I has the right to doubt all bibles because I don´t know either the interpretation of all bibles are correct or not.

assume? Huh? I only compared the bible with real life what I lead and what I know... This is thread, we talk in general way instead of insult/bash people´s belief and tell them that their belief are wrong... I can see that you has the problem to understand about general debate without name the bibles... all what you think it´s your bible, I am talking about... *sigh* Please try to open your mind and accept that we talk about nameless bibles in genreal way.

You're speaking of me? Again provide me fact where I stated that?,

I speak in general way without name anyone...


I've publicly expressed my opinions, so have you, what does this have to do with "friendship"? between whom? Me and You or others, be more specify. I can't read your mind.

huh? never mind!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I'm sorry, I'm not understanding your question. What do you mean "images"? I thought you meant like statues but that doesn't fit your question because Baptists and some others don't use images in their worship.

Again, who create Relignon images which mean is create their own belief to become what they are.

God and Jesus did not choose Catholic, Baptist, Christianity, JW, Mormon, Luthern, and more relignons... Who created those names of Religion? That´s what I call them as their images.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Let me explain this once again. When you and your husband got married, both of you are becomin' one. For example : Before you both get married, you were Miss. Alldeaf and your husband was Mr. Alldeaf. And, NOW both of you are married : Both of you and your husband are now Mr. and Mrs. Alldeaf. Both of you are no longer separated, because of the marriage both of you are now together as ONE. Your last name is now your husband's last name because, you are married to him. Your children's last name are after their father's. ALL of you are in ONE family as one last name after your husband's. I hope this makes clear to you this time.

Jesus and God - same thing. They are all in ONE and even, the Holy Spirit are with Jesus and God, too. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are in One. They agreed together spiritually : See John 1:1-5+

I believe Jesus is the Son of God AND, even He is God. I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Saviour - the One who died for me on the cross and purchased me with His blood. Now, I am God's child. I am in His Family. That's only for my soul where I will go to Heaven one day. My flesh doesn't mean anythin' because, it will return to the dust after I die, but my soul will live.

Does this make clear to you ?

Yes, I already stated in my post that it doesn´t mean that we all are one because we use my hubby´s last name.

Thank you for explaining... I understood and respect your belief.

You know that Jesus is son of God and he is God. To me, what I stand that Jesus is son of God and do not use Jesus as God in one. I rather to use Jesus and God separately. It´s me because I know God and Jesus from bibles what kind of life they lead to.