God Versus Satan

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Liebling:-))) said:
wow, see yourself what you said this to me here... then call yourself is a bible thumper... If you don´t want to be bible thumper then respect my opinion and accept when I see different as you...and try to accept both sides... Please respect if I disagree something and see different...


Try to accept both sides?? You haven't done that here at all not from the start, hypocrite. :whistle:
 
Try to accept both sides?? You haven't done that here at all not from the start, hypocrite. :whistle:

Do I against your or anyone´s belief here? Can you show me where I against your belief? No, I talked about bibles in general way without name the religion which mean is any bibles in general way since we know there´re many bibles... Got it?

If we want to talk about our beliefs then accept both sides... Example Mommyof3´s thread... There´re ADers who have different beliefs posted in her thread... Have you seen me against their belief...? No... but tried to listen and question them on both side... Have you seen me against their belief in their different threads? No...

We talked about God vs Satan here where the title of thread mention without name religions. Of course we talked about BIBLES without name your or other belief... Got it?
 
Lieblin' ...

Jesus is the Son of God, yes - AND, He is ALSO God. Jesus AND God are in ONE. ( Same idea for a husband and wife when they are married, they became ONE - O N E last name. )

IF, you don't believe that God exists, then you don't believe that Jesus exists, too.


This is your belief.

I beleive God and Jesus are different people.



You will see Satan someday. Satan exists.

Okay, this is your belief.

I don´t believe Satan is exist.


I think you misunderstood about rapists, murderers will go to Heaven. IF, rapists and murderers repent and accept Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour....then, they will go to Heaven. IF, they don't accept Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour ( after they repent and ask for God's forgiveness through Christ ), then they will NOT go to Heaven. They have to make their own decision to choose : Accept Him or Reject Him. Simple as that.

No I understand sooooo prefect and agree with Xenta´s post in first place.

Yes, I already said in previous posts that Rapists, murders and crimes become born christian and will go to heaven because they accept God and Jesus (they accept to beleive their existance).


Eve DON'T steal a forbidden fruit from the tree. :nono: God told them NOT TO EAT that forbidden fruit from that knowledge of good and evil tree. That means God told them NOT TO TOUCH it. Eve was supposed to LEAVE IT ALONE. She was supposed to OBEY God when He told her NOT to eat it. Satan started to hypnotize Eve about that fruit -- ooooh THAT fruit looks soo gooood as Satan told her that if, she eats it she will be like God. :roll: Satan lied to Eve. Why Satan spoke to EVE, not ADAM ? Eve was more vulnerable than Adam.

Well, we know it´s wrong to take something that belongs to someone else, don´t we?

Steal
steal definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta





Same goes with women and now, you can see why women get so high emotional than men ... :hmm: Satan was VERY clever to fool Eve. What a shame !

*nodding sadly*

God was tryin' to TEACH Eve the right way, but she choses her own way than God's by listenin' Satan about that forbidden fruit. God warned her about this in the first place. That tree was about " God and Satan " - knowledge of GOOD and EVIL.

It didn´t written in the bible that God warned Eve and Adam about Satan´s exist but warn them to not touch his tree, else they will die if they touch his tree.

The Garden of Eden was very sacred place. There was NO sin in Garden of Eden until Adam and Eve ate that fruit. After they ate it, everythin' changed and their eyes were opened to see " evil ". They were ashamed and hided from God because, they saw themselves in naked. BEFORE that, they don't know they were in naked... that means they were INNOCENT just like innocent children. They don't think of bad things. Once sin started, people start thinkin' bad things.

Yes I agree because the bible say the same what you say here.

Cain was the very FIRST murderer. Who taught Cain to kill ? Where did he get that " killin' " from ? He was just a farmer... croppin' the vegetables. I don't believe his parents taught him to kill. I believe it was Satan who taught him to kill because of that was how the " sin " began to seep in. Sin is the root of evil.

Yes I know that Cain was a first person who killed his own brother out of jealous... that´s because God prefer Abel´s gift over Cain´s gift. God should treat them equal, no matter what. I guess that Cain is proud and want to show God what he work to grew vegetable/fruits to take care of foods.... Abel is proud and want to show God what he care of sheep but I disagree to burnt sheep as gift to worship God.

I treat my boys equal no matter what kind of gifts they want to show or give me...
 
I didn't say "ALL". :)

Of course, there are NTID students who have common sense.

of course you didn't say 'all' but you're still painting a pretty distorted picture of 'some' of those people. even worse you use the 'ntid' prefix which is labeling the ntid department. instead just say 'deaf' students.
 
:roll: @ Liebling, There you go again going off blaming God, The world is full of trouble, and most of the trouble is caused by people, not by God. We are all tangled up with this troubled world because we are part of it. During the last decade of the 20th Century seems so very hard to believe in God. Yet it is no harder today than it ever was.

God has done everything necessary for us to be saved from our sinful character, we the people ignored it. I rest my case on this point of view.

Yes, we have scientists here who focus the facts and proofs in everyday...

We would of beleive 100% IF we have only ONE bible but we have many bibles... what should we do? Which right bibles should we beleive to?


You think seeing is believing, because according to you, that you don't beleive in God's existence or the word of God in the bible. Let me put it this way, You rather to see to believe Am I correct so far?

I said before that I doubt God´s existance which mean is I am unsure either God is exist or not... because I was raised to beleive in God and Jesus until I learn more and more.. and then doubt... I refuse to say that I "don´t beleive" in God or the bibles are liars. It´s hard for me to say "I don´t believe in God"... and the bibles are liars because I don´t feel like to say it... I rather to say "doubt" God´s existance and which correct bibles than don´t believe in God and label bibles as liars.

You know how friends come and go, but true friends stay till the very end, Do you trust your true friends that they'll be loyal to you, wouldn't lie to you, or betrayed you? You have faith right?

I have true friends in real life and online whom I trust and loyal to because I know they are here and there. I see them in real life and see my online friends via email, AIM or MSN chat. If anyone who betray our friendship then is no true friend.

If your a true friend decide to shared in a big secret, Would you believe, or Would you need to see to believe? it's the same meaning for God, People need scientifically, and concrete proof.

I see different because I cannot communicate with a bible but people in real life and online via emails, AIM, MSN etc. I beleive my true friend´s word because she/he is exist to share their secret, problem or whatever with me... because I see them in real life and receive emails, AIM or MSN online, pictures...which is different as the bible becasue I learn about God and Jesus from the bible story, school, Grandparents... and then learn more scriptures from JW people and then American forums... It´s difference between a book and person in real life and online.

If you want to see to believe, that means you're not a true friend, nor you'll lose a true friend because You don't believe and You don't have faith, If you believe without seeing, that means you have faith and You believe. Make sense? ;)

*sigh* see above... I only beleive is communicate with true friends in real life and online because they all are exists but the bible? I only learn anything from the bible like history which different as true friends in real life and online..

Another one, Do you have faith that the alarm clock will go off at the right time and that You'll get to work on time? Do you need to keep awake out through the night to believe the that the alarm clock will go off at the right time?

I do is check and make sure before I go sleep. I have no problem with alarm clock for over 25 years... :dunno:

If you don't believe in anything in life, that means You do not have enough faith in anything. Thank you very much, I rest my case. ;)

I only beleive anything in life what I sees and what I receive from someone directly as person than listen the rumors... It´s the same with bibles as well... that´s why I doubt which bibles are correct... it´s same with rumor as well... Do you beleive in rumors more than see or receive from person directly?
 
of course you didn't say 'all' but you're still painting a pretty distorted picture of 'some' of those people. even worse you use the 'ntid' prefix which is labeling the ntid department. instead just say 'deaf' students.

Then you'd be labeling the students who are Hard of Hearing "deaf." Instead say, "NTID/RIT Students" since you'd also include students from Galladuet.
 
of course you didn't say 'all' but you're still painting a pretty distorted picture of 'some' of those people. even worse you use the 'ntid' prefix which is labeling the ntid department. instead just say 'deaf' students.
Well, it does include some of the students in the MSSE program... some are ignorant. One guy actually tried to start a debate saying that all deaf people should have handicapped parking passes. Another guy screwed up his GPA so bad that he's taking 3 to 4 years to get a 2-year MS degree. What about faculty and staff members? Well, NTID has a contract with some cochlear implant companies and get more money if students are referred to those companies. So, whenever deaf students get hearing tests done... they are often "encouraged" to get cochlear implants. At one hearing test, she kept fucking around with the controls. She asked me to let her know if the sound was too quiet. So, I told her to turn it up. She did, but turned it back down again and again. So, I couldn't hear what was being said. At the end, she said... "Your hearing is getting worse. You are a candidate for cochlear implants."

Where the hell did that come from? I just came in to get a hearing test so that I could get my new hearing aid.

I later found out about the contract thing. Sheesh...
 
:roll: @ Liebling, There you go again going off blaming God, The world is full of trouble, and most of the trouble is caused by people, not by God. We are all tangled up with this troubled world because we are part of it. During the last decade of the 20th Century seems so very hard to believe in God. Yet it is no harder today than it ever was.

God has done everything necessary for us to be saved from our sinful character, we the people ignored it. I rest my case on this point of view.


You think seeing is believing, because according to you, that you don't beleive in God's existence or the word of God in the bible. Let me put it this way, You rather to see to believe Am I correct so far?

You know how friends come and go, but true friends stay till the very end, Do you trust your true friends that they'll be loyal to you, wouldn't lie to you, or betrayed you? You have faith right?

If your a true friend decide to shared in a big secret, Would you believe, or Would you need to see to believe? it's the same meaning for God, People need scientifically, and concrete proof.

If you want to see to believe, that means you're not a true friend, nor you'll lose a true friend because You don't believe and You don't have faith, If you believe without seeing, that means you have faith and You believe. Make sense? ;)

Another one, Do you have faith that the alarm clock will go off at the right time and that You'll get to work on time? Do you need to keep awake out through the night to believe the that the alarm clock will go off at the right time?

If you don't believe in anything in life, that means You do not have enough faith in anything. Thank you very much, I rest my case. ;)
If I say I have faith in msyself but dont believe in God..what does that mean? Just asking for your perspective..:)
 
No im not telling you what to do, you dont know what "prerogative"
means..it means its your choice. ok?

Yes I know what prerogative is about but your post ...

Some of Defee´s post...
"thats your prerogative! Please dont do that because that is
OUR BIBLE and we love it." "You twist all the words out of our Bible every way you can because you refuse to believe them." "Dont argue with us just
because we are Christians and we believe our Bible"...


It look like that you tell me off to not argue because you are Christians and love your bible... and said that my bible is not same as your bible... I am not saying that my bible is correct but share you what my bible says... that´s all.. I only show you how difference between your and my bibles... You see yourself that our bibles are different... Thats what I am trying to tell you that I doubt which bible is correct?

I realize that there are many kinds of Bibles...so i dont need to
google on that...I was asking what other kind of Bible you were
reading up on cuz you said you were reading 2 Bibles so i was curious
what other Bible you were reading like the one Mormons read or what?

Okay, I have 2 bibles...

"My Book of Bible Stories"
"You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth"

Those gifts, I received from JW couple at 25 years ago.

I am not saying that my bible is right and your bible is wrong but show what my bibles written.




I DO respect your opinions but you do need to respect our opinions
too

But you show no respect on my post but tell me off because I see the bible different as you... I respect and accept everyone´s beliefs... Have you seen me against/disrespect their belief? No!

We talked here about BIBLES in general way without name which religions we have where the creator created "GOD vs SATAN" without name beleifs... I am allow to debate nameless bibles..


but you always seem to dispute our statements or twist our
answers, thats the point especially when we say the verses of our
Bible.

Is it forbid to share my debate what I think and what I see different?


You say how do we know our Bible is right,

Yes because it´s a fact because we have many bibles...

well, we just do cuz
we believe in our Heavenly Father and Jesus, we feel it in our hearts.
I dont worry about other kind of Bibles, not my problem cuz its different
religion, thats all. I just practice my religion, period.
I dont care what you say or believe but God does not Kill people, you
should be careful what you say about God! To me, thats blashemy! (sp?)
Im not bashing you or nothing..I just dont think you should dispute
or argue when it comes to our Bible verses cuz they are the TRUTH
NOT FICTIONAL!
Have a good day!

This is your belief and opinion. :)
 
:ugh: Liebling on your answers, that doesn't even answer my question, You tried to twisted it around with your answers that means nothing to my question.

It's a very easy question with a simple answer comes along with it, "Yes" or "no" Your answers doesn't even prove me anything.

I'm done debating with you.

Defee, You're correct, Liebling does twisted it around. ;) Enough said by me.
 
If I say I have faith in msyself but dont believe in God..what does that mean? Just asking for your perspective..:)

That means You only believe in yourself, nothing more nothing less. ;)
 
If I say I have faith in msyself but dont believe in God..what does that mean? Just asking for your perspective..:)
I'd say that you were a strong self-believer. That's a good trait. If you have faith in yourself that you can do certain things, then that's a positive attitude.

I don't like it when people say, "I have faith that God will see me through it." That's another excuse to prove that God has faith.

I have faith that God will help me figure out what two plus two equals to...

FOUR!!!!!

See? God does exist. If it wasn't for him, I probably wouldn't have been able to figure it out. ;)
 
Well, if God made rules earlier... they would have been mentioned before the 10 Commandments. (Or... were there 15, but Moses dropped one tablet?)
God's laws always existed. God put the 10 Commandments in a form that clearly showed the sinfulness of mankind.

Either way, Adam and Eve didn't suddenly appear on Earth and already have the understanding of sex.
How do you know that? They were created fully mature people with all the natural adult desires. If they needed to "learn" anything God could explain it to them without embarrassment.

I'm sure Adam and Eve were curious about the animals and did something "naughty" with them. Who knows?
What is this weird fascination with animal sex?

What makes you "sure" that they were curious about the animals? They could see animals procreate; no big mystery. I guess you didn't grow up on a farm?


...There are a lot of things that they could have done. So, who's to say that eating the forbidden fruit was the first sin performed?
God said. He clearly explained it in the Bible. If their first sin was something else, He would have said so. It's no big mystery.

Who said that eating a forbidden fruit IS sin?
God said eating that particular fruit was a sin.
 
I have faith that God will help me figure out what two plus two equals to...

FOUR!!!!!

See? God does exist. If it wasn't for him, I probably wouldn't have been able to figure it out. ;)

:ugh: And how old did you say you were?

:giggle:
 
Since going over the last few pages, I've noticed the bible is being used as evident once again, and everything in the bible is true and anything outside the bible that contradicts it is false. Rational and critical thinking need not apply to the bible. Only faith.

So instead, let's focus a little bit on the history here. I'm going to paste what I wrote ealier from a locked thread, because no one took the time to post a follow up to my response.

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The "God" and the "Jesus" that Christians worship today are actually amalgams formed out of ancient pagan gods. The idea of a "virgin birth", "burial in a rock tomb", "resurrection after 3 days" and "eating of body and drinking of blood" had nothing to do with Jesus. All of the rituals in Christianity are completely man-made. Christianity is a snow ball that rolled over a dozen pagan religions. As the snowball grew, it freely attached pagan rituals in order to be more palatable to converts. You can find accounts like these in popular literature:

"The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbology are undeniable. Egyptian sun disks became the halos of Catholic saints. Pictograms of Isis nursing her miraculously conceived son Horus became the blueprint for our modern images of the Virgin Mary nursing Baby Jesus. And virtually all the elements of the Catholic ritual - the miter, the altar, the doxology, and communion, the act of "God-eating" - were taken directly from earlier pagan mystery religions."

"Nothing in Christianity is original. The pre-Christian God Mithras - called the Son of God and the Light of the World - was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and then resurrected in three days. By the way, December 25 is also the birthday or Osiris, Adonis, and Dionysus. The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Even Christianity's weekly holy day was stolen from the pagans."

It is extremely hard for a Christian believer to process this data, but nonetheless it is true. All of the "sacred rituals" of Christianity, and all of Christianity's core beliefs (virgin birth, resurrection, etc.) come straight from pagan religions that were popular around the time of Jesus. Articles like this and this can help you learn more. Once you understand the fundamental truth of Christianity's origins, the silliness of this whole thing becomes apparent.

Your response?
 

I am typing to follow what my bible with scriptures says

"The lie the Devil told Eve worked just as he planned. She beleived it and so disobeyed God." (Genesis 3:6)

That looks like a paraphrase, not a translation, of the Bible.

Here's the KJV version:

"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."

Eve knew that what the serpent said did not match what God told her, so that is how she knew it was a lie. But she accepted the lie anyway because she wanted to. That is disobedience to God.


And bible story, I´m typing to follow what the bible story written.

"SEE what´s happening now. Adam & Eve are being put out of the beautiful garden of Eden. Do you know why?
It is because they did something very bad. And so God is punishing them. Do you know the bad thing Adam and Eve did?
They did something God told them not to do. God told them they could eat food from the trees of the garden. But from one tree God said not to eat, or else they would die. He kept that tree as his own. And we know it is wrong to take something that belongs to someone else, don´t we? Well, what happened?
One day when Eve was alone in the garden, a snake spoke to her. Think of that! it told Eve to eat fruit from the tree from which God told them not to eat. Now, when God made snakes he did not make them so they could talk. So this can only mean that someone else was making the snake speak. Who was that?
It wasn´t Adam. So it had to be one of the persons that God had made long before he made the earth. Those persons are angels, and we cannot see them. This one angel had become very proudl. he began thinking that he should be a ruler like God. And he wanted people to obey him instead of obeying God. He was the angel that made the snake talk.
This angel was able to fool Eve. When he told her that she would become like God if she ate the fruit, she beleived it. so she ate, and Adam did too. Adam & Eve disobeyed God, and that is why they lost their beautiful garden home.
This angel was able to fool Eve. When he told her that she would become like God if she ate the fruit, she beleived it. So she ate, and Adam did too. Adam and Eve disobeyed God, and that is why they lost their beautiful garden home."

It didn´t say anything that Eve knew snake lied to her but was being mislead to beleive snake´s lies. This is a difference... I´m sure that you know that many people are being mislead to beleive people´s make up stories?
That's a Bible story book. That's not a Bible translation. That's a paraphrase of the Bible, made into simple stories.


Sure, there´re alway happend to vehicle accidents etc. but what Eve did is total different because it´s not accident what Eve did but mislead to beleive Satan´s lie. This is a difference.
The child running into the street disobeyed the parent.

Eve eating the fruit disobeyed God.

They're the same--disobedience.


I'm not going to reply to the rest of your statements because there's nothing I can say to someone who thinks she is wiser and better than God.
 
...Okay, I have 2 bibles...

"My Book of Bible Stories"
"You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth"

Those gifts, I received from JW couple at 25 years ago.

I am not saying that my bible is right and your bible is wrong but show what my bibles written.
Those two books aren't Bibles. The first one is Bible "stories", and the second one doesn't even call itself a Bible.
 
And those are Jehovah's Witnesses related books. ;) Come to think of it, It seems that Jehovah's witnesses have copied things off the bible making it in stories.
 
God's laws always existed. God put the 10 Commandments in a form that clearly showed the sinfulness of mankind.


How do you know that? They were created fully mature people with all the natural adult desires. If they needed to "learn" anything God could explain it to them without embarrassment.


What is this weird fascination with animal sex?

What makes you "sure" that they were curious about the animals? They could see animals procreate; no big mystery. I guess you didn't grow up on a farm?



God said. He clearly explained it in the Bible. If their first sin was something else, He would have said so. It's no big mystery.


God said eating that particular fruit was a sin.
And... why was eating that particular fruit a sin?

It's a fruit tree sitting there for the whole world to take... and 2 measly humans can't touch it? :roll:
 
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