Funny Thing About Rush Limbaugh

[Babyblue]

government? not at all. it's the working of pharmaceutical company lobbyists and misguided voters pressing the government to do it. more and more Law Enforcement Officers are hating this drug war. Who the hell wanna die from a routine traffic stop just because the driver didn't want to go to jail over some tiny bag of drug?????????

I speak with logical mind. This drug war does not FINANCIALLY & ECONOMICALLY & SOCIALLY make sense! if you have any better idea, lemme know! Our current drug war is putting a tremendous strain on government and I know they want to end it but they can't because of you voters.

All these that you are speaking of Pharmaceuticals, Law Enforcements, etc, etc, etc, etc,.....

They are all run by the government and people voting. Right???

Their is a reason why "US" (people that vote) oppose to your ideas...


Keep voting on your thoughts.

 

[Jiro]

All these that you are speaking of Pharmaceuticals, Law Enforcements, etc, etc, etc, etc,.....

They are all run by the government and people voting. Right???

Their is a reason why "US" (people that vote) oppose to your ideas...


Keep voting on your thoughts.

I'm sorry but more and more states are legalizing marijuana. Looks like they're finally realizing that this Drug War is an EPIC FAIL!

 

[Babyblue]

For some reason I am thinking of the show... "King Of The Hills"

A particular Character. "Dale"

 

[Jiro]

For some reason I am thinking of the show... "King Of The Hills"

A particular Character. "Dale"

lol!!!

 

[Babyblue]

OMG!!

That is where the Jiro special edition sunglasses came from!!!!

Dale, is the originator of those glasses!!!!

 

[Daredevel7]

selling white powder at Wal Mart? Does Wal-Mart sell booze? if no... then no Wal Mart would not sell white powder.

Hey! You never know! Maybe they will renovate their strategy and join the "peace on drugs" and sell powder. (It's a pretty funny sight with someone at Walmart getting a vacuum sealed container filled with white powder goodness, and maybe it will come with a cellophane wrapped straw for snorting!)

and yes you're right - everything has sacrifice... lot of issues out there have no good solutions either. but you have to ask yourself - is the sacrifice worth it?

I've already stated my reasons for my stance on this drug war several times - the result of this drug war? over $20 billions of dollars per year pissing away and hundred of police officers & soldiers were killed and thousands of innocent victims (due to gang war for drug related bs, etc.) and the only winner of this war is the drug dealers.
so Is the sacrifice worth it?

Why am I envisioning that if all drugs were legal, you'd be saying "the winner of this war is the government" because they probably would have a huge tax for drugs, and people would be complaining "No fair! You legalized this, and now you got us addicted, and robbing our money! and now you're telling us to go to rehab? Yea I know its free since it's paid for by our taxes, but it doesnt even work most of the time!"

 

[Jiro]

the Cost/Facts of Drug Wars and its Repercussion

Cost/Facts of Drug War
1. PBS source
2. Drug War Clock
3. DRCNet
4. Basic Facts About the War on Drugs
5. Economic Consequences of the War on Drugs
6. Failed states and failed policies - How to stop the drug wars
7. too many to list.... majority of sources say this Drug War is FUTILE

Repercussion of Drug War - some excerpts are extracted from source above

In the 21st century, the drug trade is like any other major industry in that it has been fully globalized -- sin fronteras, without borders. In just so happens that Mexico’s narco-cartels are now in the lucrative position of picking up where other players in the transnational drug trade have left off -- or, more to the point, were temporarily or permanently forced out because of individual arrests, sting operations, asset seizures, or other interdiction efforts. Even if the Gulf, Sinaloa, Juárez, and Tijuana cartels were to be completely dismantled tomorrow, there will always be some enterprising individual, group, or full-fledged criminal syndicate to step in where others have been derailed. Why? Americans have a seemingly insatiable appetite for mind-altering substances, whether in the form of cocaine, heroin, hallucinogens, tranquilizers, uppers, downers, and painkillers of all kinds. And what a profit-generating market this is. According to the National Drug Intelligence Center, wholesale drug profits amount to somewhere between $18 billion and $39 billion annually for the Colombian and Mexican drug cartels. Internationally, the illicit drug trade is estimated to generate at least $320 billion per year. -source

"But when people take whatever they can off the street, they have no way of knowing how the drug is adulterated. And when they decide to augment heroin's effects, possibly because they do not want to take too much heroin, they may place themselves in the greatest danger."

-Source: Glaze, Lauren E. and Maruschak, Laura M., "Parents in Prison and Their Minor Children" (Washington, DC: USDOJ, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Aug. 2008), NCJ222984, p. 1.

"According to the annual Needle and Syringe Program (NSP) Survey, hepatitis C prevalence among people attending needle and syringe programs remained high over the period 1997 to 2003, with 57% of males and 61% of females testing positive to the hepatitis C virus antibody in 2003."

-Source: Australian Institute of Health and Welfare 2005. Statistics on drug use in Australia 2004. AIHW Cat. No. PHE 62. Canberra: AIHW (Drug Statistics Series No. 15), p. xvii.

"In the present analysis we found that overdose events were not uncommon at the Vancouver safer injection facility. During an 18-month period, 285 individuals accounted for 336 overdose events, yielding an overdose rate of 1.33 (95% CI: 0.0–3.6) overdoses per 1000 injections. Heroin was involved in approximately 70% of all overdoses, and opiates considered together were involved in88%of overdoses. It is notable, however, that approximately one-third of overdoses involved stimulants. The most common indicators of overdose were depressed respiration, limp body, face turning blue, and a failure to respond to pain stimulus. The majority of overdoses were successfully managed in the SIF, with the most common overdose interventions undertaken by SIF staff involving the administration of oxygen, a call for ambulance support, and the administration of naloxone hydrochloride via injection. Among a randomly selected sample of SIF users, factors associated with time to overdose at the SIF included fewer years injecting, daily heroin use, and having a history of overdose. None of the overdose events occurring at the SIF resulted in a fatality."

-Source: Thomas Kerr, Mark W. Tyndall, Calvin Lai, Julio S.G. Montaner, Evan Wood, "Drug-related overdoses within a medically supervised safer injection facility," International Journal of Drug Policy, 2006.

The United Nations Drug Control Program noted the inevitable risk of drug-related police corruption in 1998, when it reported that "wherever there is a well-organized, illicit drug industry, there is also the danger of police corruption."

-Source: United Nations International Drug Control Program, Technical Series Report #6: Economic and Social Consequences of Drug Abuse and Illicit Trafficking (New York, NY: UNDCP, 1998), p. 38.

According to the international monitoring group Transparency International, "Mexico's police and armed services are known to be contaminated by multimillion dollar bribes from the transnational narco-trafficking business. Though the problem is not as pervasive in the military as it is in the police, it is widely considered to have attained the status of a national security threat."

-Source: Hodess, Robin (ed.), Transparency International, Global Corruption Report 2001 (Berlin, Germany: Transparency International, 2001), p. 158.

Would "legalization" cost more than it saves?
No. The best analysis done to date by any Federal official shows that "legalization" of the now illegal drugs would result in a net $37 Billion annual savings. This estimate is considered conservative. That is, it is likely that the savings would be more.

Federal Financial Analysis of Legalization of Drugs

This Federal financial analysis of legalization comes from Theodore R. Vallance, Former chief of the Planning Branch of the National Institutes of Mental Health. His main professional effort for many years was directed at just this sort of analysis. The analysis was published in the 7-10-95 issue of National Review.

This is not for want of effort. The United States alone spends some $40 billion each year on trying to eliminate the supply of drugs. It arrests 1.5m of its citizens each year for drug offences, locking up half a million of them; tougher drug laws are the main reason why one in five black American men spend some time behind bars. In the developing world blood is being shed at an astonishing rate. In Mexico more than 800 policemen and soldiers have been killed since December 2006 (and the annual overall death toll is running at over 6,000). This week yet another leader of a troubled drug-ridden country—Guinea Bissau—was assassinated.

Al Capone, but on a global scale
Indeed, far from reducing crime, prohibition has fostered gangsterism on a scale that the world has never seen before. According to the UN’s perhaps inflated estimate, the illegal drug industry is worth some $320 billion a year. In the West it makes criminals of otherwise law-abiding citizens (the current American president could easily have ended up in prison for his youthful experiments with “blow”). It also makes drugs more dangerous: addicts buy heavily adulterated cocaine and heroin; many use dirty needles to inject themselves, spreading HIV; the wretches who succumb to “crack” or “meth” are outside the law, with only their pushers to “treat” them. But it is countries in the emerging world that pay most of the price. Even a relatively developed democracy such as Mexico now finds itself in a life-or-death struggle against gangsters. American officials, including a former drug tsar, have publicly worried about having a “narco state” as their neighbour.

The failure of the drug war has led a few of its braver generals, especially from Europe and Latin America, to suggest shifting the focus from locking up people to public health and “harm reduction” (such as encouraging addicts to use clean needles). This approach would put more emphasis on public education and the treatment of addicts, and less on the harassment of peasants who grow coca and the punishment of consumers of “soft” drugs for personal use. That would be a step in the right direction. But it is unlikely to be adequately funded, and it does nothing to take organised crime out of the picture.

Legalisation would not only drive away the gangsters; it would transform drugs from a law-and-order problem into a public-health problem, which is how they ought to be treated. Governments would tax and regulate the drug trade, and use the funds raised (and the billions saved on law-enforcement) to educate the public about the risks of drug-taking and to treat addiction. The sale of drugs to minors should remain banned. Different drugs would command different levels of taxation and regulation. This system would be fiddly and imperfect, requiring constant monitoring and hard-to-measure trade-offs. Post-tax prices should be set at a level that would strike a balance between damping down use on the one hand, and discouraging a black market and the desperate acts of theft and prostitution to which addicts now resort to feed their habits.

 

[Jiro]

OMG!!

That is where the Jiro special edition sunglasses came from!!!!

Dale, is the originator of those glasses!!!!

no. he bought it from me.

 

[Jiro]

Hey! You never know! Maybe they will renovate their strategy and join the "peace on drugs" and sell powder. (It's a pretty funny sight with someone at Walmart getting a vacuum sealed container filled with white powder goodness, and maybe it will come with a cellophane wrapped straw for snorting!)

forgive me for not seeing a humor in this =|

Why am I envisioning that if all drugs were legal, you'd be saying "the winner of this war is the government" because they probably would have a huge tax for drugs, and people would be complaining "No fair! You legalized this, and now you got us addicted, and robbing our money! and now you're telling us to go to rehab? Yea I know its free since it's paid for by our taxes, but it doesnt even work most of the time!"

sorry but no. I don't see anybody blaming on government for tobacco and alcohol (yes the same old T-and-A argument)

 

[Babyblue]

the Cost/Facts of Drug Wars and its Repercussion

Cost/Facts of Drug War
1. PBS source
2. Drug War Clock
3. DRCNet
4. Basic Facts About the War on Drugs
5. Economic Consequences of the War on Drugs
6. Failed states and failed policies - How to stop the drug wars
7. too many to list.... majority of sources say this Drug War is FUTILE

Repercussion of Drug War - some excerpts are extracted from source above

Snickering! :rofl2:


I am beginning to feel embarrassed for you!!


Now I know why I was thinking of the Charater...

 

[Daredevel7]

We all know the drug war sucks, but has it occurred to you that this is probably the best as it gets? (After the legalization of marijuana, of course.. )

 

[Jiro]

We all know the drug war sucks, but has it occurred to you that this is probably the best as it gets? (After the legalization of marijuana, of course.. )

 

[Doug5]

sorry to see that you are the result of pharmaceutical companies' highly-effective brainwashing campaign.

thats another issue. people changing their moods with prozac and zoloft. Its perfectly legal as long as a drug company makes money.

 

[Doug5]

Rush Limbaugh was still able to function despite taking OxyContin.

The other drugs you mentioned do not have the same severity of withdrawal symptoms as heroin does.

THats my whole point of this thread. Why should someone be punished for taking a drug, if they can still function while on it?

 

[Doug5]

Dang. Too bad Jillio isn't here. I'd be curious to know what her thoughts are regarding legalizing coke and heroin. I'm guessing she wouldn't approve.

Is she God thats knows everything about everything?:roll:

 

[Doug5]

I agree...addicts are the losers.

Legalizing it will make addicts losers too...

So legal or not. The dealers will still be the winners..

if it was legal, the addict would at least know the purity and strength of the drug consumed. Protecting them from overdose.

 

[Doug5]

arent you being condescending, assuming everyone that uses alcohol is abusing it or is a addict low life? There are millions of people who use it responsibly.

I care, because it effects everyone around them.

If it ONLY Affects the person doing it. Then I would have no qualm against it.

An addict is sad. Allowing it will only enable a person do to more harm. The abuse of Alcohol and tobacco is not enough for you to see the effect of how Drugs harms people??

Guess people want more!! Add fuel to the fire. :roll: You keep saying how alcohol and Tobacco is harming people. Why dp you want more of it to be legalized? Seems pretty much to be MORE self destructive.


As for the the "assholes" that do such crimes. That is why they're laws against them. Because it does affect people around them.

 

[Doug5]

look up how many people die from over the counter pain mediciene. It will surpass all the death from illegal drugs. Maybe we should outlaw OTC drugs.

Check out the statistics of drug related deaths compared to alcohol and tobacco in UK:

Cocaine - 575
Amphetamine - 384
Ecstasy - 227
Solvents - 246
Opiates (heroin, morphine & methadone) - 4,976
Alcohol - 25,000 - 200,000 approx.
Tobacco half a million approx

DrugScope | FAQs | How many people die from drugs?

And you think those numbers will generally be constant or less if all drugs are legal?

And I know I know "Well if tobacco and alcohol are legal and killing others, why not other ones, HYPOCRISY!" Blah blah blah. You gotta give a little to get a little. People don't want a government that tells them what to do. We ALL know that the world would be better off (health wise) without any illegal drugs whatsoever. But ya know what? We are human, we wanna do bad things, we wanna do what we wanna do,most of us don't give a crap about what other people do, and we don't want to waste money by making others not do what they want to do. So we have to choose what would legal and illegal to hopefully to optimize the following: 1) Make people happy 2) Make things cheaper for everyone 3) Reduce deaths

Personally, I think we'd be better off if weed and alcohol were the only ones legal, but that's just me.

 

[Doug5]

the drug war is complete madness on so many levels.

government? not at all. it's the working of pharmaceutical company lobbyists and misguided voters pressing the government to do it. more and more Law Enforcement Officers are hating this drug war. Who the hell wanna die from a routine traffic stop just because the driver didn't want to go to jail over some tiny bag of drug?????????

I speak with logical mind. This drug war does not FINANCIALLY & ECONOMICALLY & SOCIALLY make sense! if you have any better idea, lemme know! Our current drug war is putting a tremendous strain on government and I know they want to end it but they can't because of you voters.

 

[Doug5]

wow, some of my posts were deleted