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[Daredevel7]

look up how many people die from over the counter pain mediciene. It will surpass all the death from illegal drugs. Maybe we should outlaw OTC drugs.

But that is my point. You're only supporting it. Legal drugs kill many people. Much more than illegal drugs.

Is it because they are illegal or is it because they happen to be safer than legal drugs?

 

[shel90]

But that is my point. You're only supporting it. Legal drugs kill many people. Much more than illegal drugs.

Is it because they are illegal or is it because they happen to be safer than legal drugs?

Can you rephrase that...not sure what point you are making? Thanks!

 

[shel90]

if it was legal, the addict would at least know the purity and strength of the drug consumed. Protecting them from overdose.

I learned from quite a few people that a tiny amount of cocaine can get a person addicted right there on the spot making them want to have more and more just to achieve the same high but the high gets harder to achieve.

 

[Jiro]

if it was legal, the addict would at least know the purity and strength of the drug consumed. Protecting them from overdose.

that is exactly what's stated in my source. For starter - marijuana and cocaine can be distributed at local clinic (a controlled, hygienic environment) - remember needle clinic? That led to reduction of spreading HEP-C/AIDS and OD deaths.

I learned from quite a few people that a tiny amount of cocaine can get a person addicted right there on the spot making them want to have more and more just to achieve the same high but the high gets harder to achieve.

all for more reason why legalization and regulation of cocaine makes sense. wouldn't you prefer they use cocaine in a controlled environment so that they won't overdose or get severely addicted to it?

again - don't forget that cocaine is a rich man's drug (and politicians'...... like GWB).

 

[Doug5]

I learned from quite a few people that a tiny amount of cocaine can get a person addicted right there on the spot making them want to have more and more just to achieve the same high but the high gets harder to achieve.

very true, but if it was legal under my plan, they would have access to rehab.

Im not advocating society becoming crackheads. Its more that, there will always be crackheads no matter what you do. And is it really a crime?

I think drug addicts have something in their brain similar to morbidly obese people have. I dont think they can control it. To make the criminals is wrong.

 

[shel90]

that is exactly what's stated in my source. For starter - marijuana and cocaine can be distributed at local clinic (a controlled, hygienic environment) - remember needle clinic? That led to reduction of spreading HEP-C/AIDS and OD deaths.



all for more reason why legalization and regulation of cocaine makes sense. wouldn't you prefer they use cocaine in a controlled environment so that they won't overdose or get severely addicted to it?

again - don't forget that cocaine is a rich man's drug (and politicians'...... like GWB).

I dont know how can everyone keep from getting addicted to coccaine even in a controlled environment. It probably would end up being abused as addictive painkillers with people falsifying prescriptions just to get coccaine.

 

[shel90]

very true, but if it was legal under my plan, they would have access to rehab.

Im not advocating society becoming crackheads. Its more that, there will always be crackheads no matter what you do. And is it really a crime?

I think drug addicts have something in their brain similar to morbidly obese people have. I dont think they can control it. To make the criminals is wrong.

The crackheads can become dangerous to others due to the adverse affects of the drugs on their logical reasoning..

I agree that they cannot control it which is why they shouldnt be allowed to take highly addictive drugs. Food is a need so morbidly obese people cant be banned from eating foods.

 

[Jiro]

I dont know how can everyone keep from getting addicted to coccaine even in a controlled environment. It probably would end up being abused as addictive painkillers with people falsifying prescriptions just to get coccaine.

just look at the use of methadone. it's sadly permanent but it's being done in controlled environment. People ARE already falsifying prescriptions to obtain cocaine and other narcotic drugs. That's why drug war makes no sense. It's like trying to fix New Orleans flood wall with duct tape and hammer.

Like I said - would you feel better if the users do it in a controlled environment? ....rather than them hurting the innocents or break into car/home to steal stuff to buy drug or OD on illegal drugs laced with crazy stuff? Let's face it - there will always be users who do drugs just as much as there will always be smokers, drinkers, gamblers, and many other "sinful" addicts. You cannot stop them. The best we can do is help them do it in safe, controlled, informed environment.... not criminalize them and send them to already-overcrowded prisons that's draining our tax money.

It's a win-win for all. Doug's suggestion - tax the drug to fund the treatments. See my source above - it has explained this same concept in a great length with excellent points.

 

[Doug5]

also, I emphasize, keeping drugs out of the hands of children. That is the one thing prohibition fails at big time.

 

[Jiro]

also, I emphasize, keeping drugs out of the hands of children. That is the one thing prohibition fails at big time.

exactly - tobacco and alcohol are enforced and regulated and taxed. I don't understand why people would think they can buy cocaine/marijuana from Wal-Mart if they were legalized???? Just simply put cocaine & marijuana to same category as alcohol & tobacco. enforce it, regulate it, and tax it. There are treatment centers for those as well. It is more cost-effective and conducive for public to treat the addicts than to criminalize them.

 

[Hear Again]

also, I emphasize, keeping drugs out of the hands of children. That is the one thing prohibition fails at big time.

Legalizing all drugs certainly won't keep drugs out of the hands of children either.

 

[Jiro]

Legalizing all drugs certainly won't keep drugs out of the hands of children either.

and how is it any different from prescription & OTC drugs? we hear same old story for guns, cars, smoking, booze, teen drugs, etc. More of reasons why this Drug Prohibition is an EPIC FAIL!

btw - i'm not all for legalizing all drugs but I believe marijuana and cocaine are the key to fixing a bigger portion of the issue.

 

[Hear Again]

and how is it any different from prescription & OTC drugs? we hear same old story for guns, cars, smoking, booze, teen drugs, etc.

The difference is that the majority of prescription drugs aren't as addictive as illicit drugs.

 

[Jiro]

The difference is that the majority of prescription drugs aren't as addictive as illicit drugs.

and yet.. there are too many people including celebrities abusing and OD'ing (and also accidentally) on prescription drugs especially painkillers and sleeping aids. Remember Heath Ledger? Marilyn Monroe? Elvis Presley? Judy Garland? Howard Hughes? Anna Nicole Smith? Would you like me to name some more?

Looks like addiction issue in here is moot regardless of type of drugs.

 

[Berry]

One of my late wife's doctors told us more people die from overdosing on aspirin than any other drug.

Another doctor told us he was sorry he had ever prescribed oxycoton to anyone, ever. He had had no idea how addictive the drug was until a couple of his patients became hooked.

There are no easy answers and any answer that looks easy should be viewed with suspicion.

 

[Jiro]

One of my late wife's doctors told us more people die from overdosing on aspirin than any other drug.

Another doctor told us he was sorry he had ever prescribed oxycoton to anyone, ever. He had had no idea how addictive the drug was until a couple of his patients became hooked.

There are no easy answers and any answer that looks easy should be viewed with suspicion.

there you go... legalizing cocaine and marijuana DOES NOT "add more fuel" to the fire in terms of problem and deaths. The only thing it fueled is the profits for drug dealers and what's burning away is our tax money which can be used for many of our problems like education and health care.

 

[Hear Again]

and yet.. there are too many people including celebrities abusing and OD'ing (and also accidentally) on prescription drugs especially painkillers and sleeping aids. Remember Heath Ledger? Marilyn Monroe? Elvis Presley? Judy Garland? Howard Hughes? Anna Nicole Smith? Would you like me to name some more?

Looks like addiction issue in here is moot regardless of type of drugs.

Actually, in the case of Anna Nicole Smith, she was deliberately given an overdose of prescriptions by her boyfriend and doctor.

 

[Babyblue]

sure you could say cocaine is a "clean drug" because your skin does not deteriorate and you do not lose teeth like crack/heroin users. what do you think why cocaine is a choice of drug for rich and powerful? Apparently - they can control it and hide it better than those with cheap, dirty drugs.

Not true!! Giving out false information on stating that cocaine is a clean drug.

Again you are tripping!!!

Long-term use of cocaine can lead to skin sores, damage to the septum of the nose, weight loss, and damage to the nervous system. Bad mental effects include restlessness, anxiety, irritability, and sometimes paranoid psychosis. When a person stops using cocaine, he or she will experience craving for the drug, long periods of sleep, depression, fatigue, and exhaustion. Because withdrawal from cocaine does not produce extreme and dangerous physical symptoms like those caused by withdrawal from barbiturates, doctors consider cocaine to be more psychologically addictive than physically addictive.

Cocaine - Early research, Local anesthesia

 

[Daredevel7]

Can you rephrase that...not sure what point you are making? Thanks!

I was just saying that drugs in general, legal or illegal, kill people. In the statistics I listed above, we see that tobacco and alcohol kill way more people than illegal drugs. I was asking everyone if it is because they are legal thus more widespread use or what? I am not sure how Jiro and Doug will think how the numbers of drug related deaths will change (if any) after legalization of all drugs. I personally think tobacco and alcohol will have a small decrease of deaths while the previously illegal drug related deaths will increase a lot, giving an overall increase of drug related deaths.

I am not against banning tobacco/alcohol, that would create a utilitarian society. Banning tobacco and alcohol is the "right" thing to do in terms of public health, but not morale. Plus it doesn't work (prohibition), humans NEED drugs, whether it be caffeine, alcohol, etc. Instead of going extreme and doing the anarchy approach "Hey legalize everything so that all drugs would be "clean" and we will make our own choices!" Sorry to say, but humans are stupid, which is why we even have laws in the first place. So I prefer the "pick your battles" approach where you pick the least dangerous drugs to be legal. Not sure if they made the right choices on the "least dangerous drugs".

 

[Daredevel7]

if it was legal, the addict would at least know the purity and strength of the drug consumed. Protecting them from overdose.

Just like how doctors protect their patients from overdosing on prescription pills?