For those who suport NCLB..take a hard look at this cartoon

Deafguy25 said:
You can't read and write in ASL, sorry. If a Deaf child is going to be literate in the US, they need to learn English.
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You just don't seem to understand that they use ASL to learn English.
 
Beowulf said:
You just don't seem to understand that they use ASL to learn English.
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Don't don't care if they learn English by an alien beaming the knowledge directly into their brains, as long as they get it! You don't seem to see that there are people in this thread who are saying that reading and writing don't matter if they have ASL. I disagree.
 
shel90 said:
Oh yes...witnessed that throughout my years of teaching.
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You should see the term paper a deaf son of a friend is writing. He started attending the Fulton School for the Deaf (in Missouri) and I am impressed with his grasp of the English language. And oh yes, it is an ASL school.
 
shel90 said:
Remember that is from a hearing's perspective.


The key word here is "not JUST" only being able to read and write.
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You are really gonna pull out the "hearing perspective" flag on the definition of literate? :roll: We are all using English here, I think it is fine to depend on the actually definition of the words we are using.
 
Deafguy25 said:
Don't don't care if they learn English by an alien beaming the knowledge directly into their brains, as long as they get it! You don't seem to see that there are people in this thread who are saying that reading and writing don't matter if they have ASL. I disagree.
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Yeah, truth is a bitch, eh? :giggle:
 
Deafguy25 said:
And most aren't geniuses in science either.

Unfortunately, most deaf kids do leave high school close to functionally illiterate (functionally illiterate - definition of functionally illiterate by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.), so minimum standards for deaf kids leaving school are desperately needed.
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Comes from not having full access to language during their formative years causing them to end up with language delays or even worse, language deficits which affects their ability to achieve critical thinking skills.

That's why the oral-only philosophy and MCEs should be banned.

Give them both languages...ASL and English to all.
 
shel90 said:
Comes from not having full access to language during their formative years causing them to end up with language delays or even worse, language deficits which affects their ability to achieve critical thinking skills.

That's why the oral-only philosophy and MCEs should be banned.

Give them both languages...ASL and English to all.
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So you don't support PFH and the others who have expressed that English doesn't matter?
 
Deafguy25 said:
You are really gonna pull out the "hearing perspective" flag on the definition of literate? :roll: We are all using English here, I think it is fine to depend on the actually definition of the words we are using.
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Never mind..

thought you could really try to open up your mind and get out of the reading and writing box to understand where we are coming from.
 
Deafguy25 said:
So you don't support PFH and the others who have expressed that English doesn't matter?
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Your line of question is very loaded, do you realize that?

I support both English and ASL but I understand where PFH is coming from.
 
Anyways, to spell it out...

I agree that talking about the other country's languages is irrevelant.

However, ASL is an American language....*American Sign Language*?

Why isnt it treated as equally as English is?

Is it because it is viewed as the "disability" language?

That is what I meant about thinking out of the box.
 
Deaf children can be, and some are, LITERATE, in ASL. Unfortunately, in our present society in the U.S., English is deemed as "The language" to learn.

One can fully function in the United States without English. It's a foreign concept for many people. If a child learns Spanish as a second language and can use it with minimal conversation skills, we often jump for joy at his accomplishment. Yet a deaf child who is fluent in ASL and can use basic English, as his SECOND language, is told to do better. That's hypocritical...and unfair. Especially since often there isn't a formal assessment for ASL in place to show his true literacy skills with his FIRST language.
 
rick48 said:
I think your number is off a decimal point or two but the percentage of people worldwide who use English is actually larger than that of those who use ASL in the good old USA. Based on your logic then its you who needs "to stop being all gung-ho on" ASL.

BTW are you raising your daughter so that she is not learning how to read and/or write English?
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6billion people in the world. 310-400million uses english primarily. I calculated for 350.

Do the math. If you doubt me, go ahead and google.

And you again, have miserably failed to see my point.
 
deafbajagal said:
Deaf children can be, and some are, LITERATE, in ASL. Unfortunately, in our present society in the U.S., English is deemed as "The language" to learn.

One can fully function in the United States without English. It's a foreign concept for many people. If a child learns Spanish as a second language and can use it with minimal conversation skills, we often jump for joy at his accomplishment. Yet a deaf child who is fluent in ASL and can use basic English, as his SECOND language, is told to do better. That's hypocritical...and unfair. Especially since often there isn't a formal assessment for ASL in place to show his true literacy skills with his FIRST language.
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That was exactly what I was getting at, functionally literate. See how the hearing people couldn't get it. Was I clear enough in my use of English? not sure.... Or are they illiterate?
 
posts from hell said:
That was exactly what I was getting at. See how the hearing people couldn't get it. Was I clear enough in my use of English? not sure.... Or are they illiterate?
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Nope, just the inability to think outside of the box or get out of their comfort zone.

Yes, English is important but it shouldnt be the only important language for USA.
 
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