For those who suport NCLB..take a hard look at this cartoon

Secretblend said:
What if the teacher is a bad teacher? How would we know if teacher is reason for student's failure to learn or the student is unable to learn despite teacher's effort?

If the teacher is not a good teacher, why reward that teacher with pay raise?
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If the teacher sucks, they dont get a reward/raise.

But hey, these days our teachers arent being let go for being a bad teacher either. Take this for instance: Rubber Rooms Gone, But Idle NY Teachers Still Getting Salaries
 
posts from hell said:
I've seen that happen too. Was your mom making these kids any dumber?

It would be rated on a per student basis. England health care cares about each person individually.

At this rate, your mother would be rewarded more if all these ESE kids increased proficiency in whatever she taught.
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No, she was great with ESE, spending the extra time to tech in their mode.

(She didn't like teaching the average kids as much ;) )
 
Daredevel7 said:
Mmmm....

Are you against the idea of testing students to measure academic progress? (Not talking about NCLB standard testing, just testing in general)
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I do not like the current form of testing at all. These state tests that it seems like the only things teacher are preparing for in my area are not good measures. I teacher should be able to have the option to do a well-rounded education plan without having to spend 5 months preparing their students for this test that determines the grade of the school which then reflects the amount of state and federal money they get.

Go back to the type of testing that was offered years ago like what we used to have. In Florida, it was the "functional literacy" test at 8th grade and again at 11th grade. If you fail the 8th grade exam, you are not ready for high school and get to stay behind a year. If you fail the 11th grade exam, you are not ready for senior year and get to repeat the 11th grade. In the schools I knew about, there were very few students being held back because they knew what to expect and since the teachers were more relaxed and happier, the students learned better and got more information retained.
 
sunny_signs said:
Your first sentence not logical. I not speak one single word English yet I can read/write.

Not be perfect English =\= illiterate. English not only language! English not even most commonly spoke language Earth. Ethnocentrism very apparent this thread.
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I specifically said not speaking, I said reading and writing.
 
Daredevel7 said:
Mmmm....

Are you against the idea of testing students to measure academic progress? (Not talking about NCLB standard testing, just testing in general)
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I asked that too. I specifically asked how we insure that students (deaf included) have a minimum level of math and literacy skills. I was told that literacy doesn't matter and that deaf kids shouldn't be tested on English. Which, to me, is profane. To lower our standards to allow illiteracy is just unacceptable.
 
posts from hell said:
I was talking world wide, look at all the languages used by people out there.. Sorry to tell you, primary English usage only compromises .058% of the world population.

It's time for us to stop being all gung-ho on English.

Again, the point of this thread, NCLB is not friendly towards all students.
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I think your number is off a decimal point or two but the percentage of people worldwide who use English is actually larger than that of those who use ASL in the good old USA. Based on your logic then its you who needs "to stop being all gung-ho on" ASL.

BTW are you raising your daughter so that she is not learning how to read and/or write English?
 
Yes, there is definitely a higher number of those using English in the US than those using ASL, same as any other country. It doesn't need to diminish the want/use of ASL. And those who are raised with ASL can and DO learn to read/write English. We on this board that are living examples of that.
 
The point is that NCLB uses one standardized testing in one certain way that all kids must show their progress. Just one freaking test?

That's the whole point of the cartoon. Just give the all the animals just one test and if they dont pass it, they are failures.

there are different ways to measure students' progress in all subject areas and then, like the video DBJ posted, too often children who are strong in one area are forced to focus in the areas they are weak in and end up jjust average, be discouraged, or fail in what used to be in the areas of strenths plus the areas of weakness.

Some of you just making it about just English only. Apparent, it is evident that some just cant think out of the box.
 
shel90 said:
The point is that NCLB uses one standardized testing in one certain way that all kids must show their progress. Just one freaking test?

That's the whole point of the cartoon. Just give the all the animals just one test and if they dont pass it, they are failures.

there are different ways to measure students' progress in all subject areas and then, like the video DBJ posted, too often children who are strong in one area are forced to focus in the areas they are weak in and end up jjust average, be discouraged, or fail in what used to be in the areas of strenths plus the areas of weakness.

Some of you just making it about just English only. Apparent, it is evident that some just cant think out of the box.
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It is hard to not respond when people say that deaf kids don't need to be able to read and write English. It is great to celebrate kids' strengths but, the reality is that they need to be able to read, write and do math.
 
Deafguy25 said:
It is hard to not respond when people say that deaf kids don't need to be able to read and write English. It is great to celebrate kids' strengths but, the reality is that they need to be able to read, write and do math.
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With ASL the children easily do that, so what is the problem?
 
Deafguy25 said:
It is hard to not respond when people say that deaf kids don't need to be able to read and write English. It is great to celebrate kids' strengths but, the reality is that they need to be able to read, write and do math.
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What if language isnt the child's strength but he/she is a genius scientist? Should teachers ignore the child's ability to create their own experiments and force the child to spend more time improving their reading and writing skills to the point where the child starts to hate school and becoming less interested in science?


That's the delicate balance many of us, educators, face and NLCB doesnt help at all!

Yes, we all should read and write but not all of us will become Edgar Allan Poet.

Where do we draw the line when it comes to setting standards?

As a vet teacher, I dont even have that answer but I do know that NCLB is not it.
 
Deafguy25 said:
You can't read and write in ASL, sorry. If a Deaf child is going to be literate in the US, they need to learn English.
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Deaf children can be literate in ASL.

Literacy isnt just about being able to read and write only.

It includes one's ability to create stories, poetry, understand the elements of a story, be able to do critical analysis of any kind of narratives, and so on.

All of that can be done in ASL.
 
shel90 said:
What if language isnt the child's strenght but he/she is a genius scientist? Should teachers ignore the child's ability to create their own experiments and force the child to spend more time improving their reading and writing skills to the point where the child starts to hate school and becoming less interested in science?


That's the delicate balance many of us, educators, face and NLCB doesnt help at all!

Yes, we all should read and write but not all of us will become Edgar Allan Poet.

Where do we draw the line when it comes to setting standards?

As a vet teacher, I dont even have that answer but I do know that NCLB is not it.
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No one here is advocating for NCLB. But there are some, myself included, that believe that we need minimum standards. If the child is a genius in science but fully unable to write, yes, the teacher (and family, don't get me wrong) needs to focus on improving his writing.
 
Deafguy25 said:
No one here is advocating for NCLB. But there are some, myself included, that believe that we need minimum standards. If the child is a genius in science but fully unable to write, yes, the teacher (and family, don't get me wrong) needs to focus on improving his writing.
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Most children dont end up NOT fully able to write anyway.
 
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