FL. Loses Appeal in Terri Schiavo Case

Nusentinsaino said:
:slap: If i didnt care, i wouldnt post in here. it just makes me laugh that people are mourning for one person, while there are millions of people who are dying of starvation, wars, murders, etc. You people are selfish.


Why should you think we are selfish? What do you expect us to do, sit back twiddling thumbs and whistling tunelessly and doing nothing, while the world around us go to total hell? Listen, it's true we cannot do EVERYTHING to stop people from killing each other, etc. That much we know. But if there is one injustice we see, we stand up and fight against it. At least, we can do something about it as best as we are capable of , and to show we CARE!

Thank you!
 
Toonces said:
Why should you think we are selfish? What do you expect us to do, sit back twiddling thumbs and whistling tunelessly and doing nothing, while the world around us go to total hell? Listen, it's true we cannot do EVERYTHING to stop people from killing each other, etc. That much we know. But if there is one injustice we see, we stand up and fight against it. At least we can do something about it and to show we CARE!

Guess what? Shes dead. Who cares? You're right about that we cannot do everything while the world is going crazy, Its sad isnt it? This is my opinion, you can like it or not, I do not care. I just love stating my own opinions against a certain subject that is ridiculous. Its a good thing that you guys are showing some care, and concerns about her.. thats alot of love, thats good... but Toonces open your eyes... shes Dead. Go on and worry about other things in life that are more important than a dead person. :fu:
 
Toonces said:
Why should you think we are selfish? What do you expect us to do, sit back twiddling thumbs and whistling tunelessly and doing nothing, while the world around us go to total hell? Listen, it's true we cannot do EVERYTHING to stop people from killing each other, etc. That much we know. But if there is one injustice we see, we stand up and fight against it. At least, we can do something about it as best as we are capable of , and to show we CARE!

Thank you!
u are right abt that.. excalty!!! :hug:
 
Tell me, Nusentinsaino, what about you? Are you doing something about some issue - ANY issue- that is important to you? Have you show any action that you care, rather than just sitting there and sprouting your opinions?

At least I DID something. I emailed to Senators, I emailed to Governer Jeb Bush, I even emailed to White House to ask them to pass the law to protect all disabled people who cannot care for themselves cannot speak for themselves from starving needlessly to death. Even though the judges still ruled that Terri be starved to death anyway, it doesn't mean my efforts are all for nothing. We may lost Terri, but there are countless other people who are on feeding tubes or are victims of medical system who don't have their best interests. I will not give up what I am doing...I will keep on working to support the cause and call for greater protection for world's disabled and the unwanted. That is the best I can do.

And you should do the same thing, too, for a cause that is important to you. : P
 
Nusent....it is not so much that she is dead; it is the issue surrounding her death and what people, legislators will or will not do in the future that will set the tone for a lot of people...
 
Toonces said:
Tell me, Nusentinsaino, what about you? Are you doing something about some issue - ANY issue- that is important to you? Have you show any action that you care, rather than just sitting there and sprouting your opinions?

At least I DID something. I emailed to Senators, I emailed to Governer Jeb Bush, I even emailed to White House to ask them to pass the law to protect all disabled people who cannot care for themselves cannot speak for themselves from starving needlessly to death. Even though the judges still ruled that Terri be starved to death anyway, it doesn't mean my efforts are all for nothing. We may lost Terri, but there are countless other people who are on feeding tubes or are victims of medical system who don't have their best interests. I will not give up what I am doing...I will keep on working to support the cause and call for greater protection for world's disabled and the unwanted. That is the best I can do.

And you should do the same thing, too, for a cause that is important to you. : P

wow, thats interesting... You know I dont wholly agree with this issue with Terri... however i like the fact that you actually emailed Jeb Bush (That faggot). Let me tell you something about myself, Everyday ever snice i got policital i have felt like i had to do something... like protesting or some sort. However, Eventually i realaized that a majority of people ignore the protests at most of the times, and most importantly - I feel like one person (Myself) cant change a whole majority of the same minds. Example: I feel like i want to teach people about the deaf, and how people treat deaf people like inferiors... i wanna do that but i do not have hope or any sort.

And besides im only 18 years old, Im sure there will be more stuff in the future that will piss me off enough to stand up.

tousi said:
Nusent....it is not so much that she is dead; it is the issue surrounding her death and what people, legislators will or will not do in the future that will set the tone for a lot of people...

That, Tousi is why humans are strange creatures. They are the only animals in the world that debate history and mourn the dead, but anyway can you be a little more vauge about that?
 
Alright, Nusentinsaino. Someday when you find something that piss you enough to stand up and fight for it, then go for it! I believe one day you will make differences. Yes, I think you can.

Best wishes to you.
 
Toonces said:
Alright, Nusentinsaino. Someday when you find something that piss you enough to stand up and fight for it, then go for it! I believe one day you will make differences. Yes, I think you can.

Best wishes to you.

heh thanks, hopefully i will become someone polictial but i doubt that.

tousi said:
Elephants and other mammals mourn their dead......

Do they go to funeral homes, do they spend thoudsands of dollars for caskets, do they make tombstones for the dead, do they publish the dead in history books? I get your point, but im talking about Humans are the only creatures in the world that mourn their dead intelligently.
 
At least I DID something. I emailed to Senators, I emailed to Governer Jeb Bush, I even emailed to White House to ask them to pass the law to protect all disabled people who cannot care for themselves cannot speak for themselves from starving needlessly to death.

You are missing the real point. The courts ruled that people have the CONSITUTIONAL RIGHT to refuse life support and their rights must be respected. It's NOT about disablity rights - it's about the consitutional right to refuse medical treatment. Even, you as a deaf person, have the right to say no to life support. It has nothing to do with your deafness. Terri told Michael and a few people that she doesn't want to live like that and doesn't want artificial support. If you tell people, "I don't want to live like that" and your wish is being ignored, your consitutional right is violated.

-jeff
 
Nusentinsaino,

*rubbing my hands* ((off topic soap box))
Okay, Let's see... I really quite appluad w/Toonces because Already emailed to G'ovt and try their best efforts encourge change the law issues disabled people who cannot care for themselves cannot speak for themselves from starving needlessly to death. Let you know, I did emailed too.. I'm all done support Disabled people who doesn't want die.. Who made decision put you starvation to death..

For example... If suppose Nusentinsaino, you're my man/woman whatever.. You didn't make formal written the letter your wish. I felt bad and want you DEAD.. Really you don't want dead while you laid on the bed for few years.. You have funcation in your brain as well but lack of communcation and cannot speak at all.. I decide pull plug for you... BUH-BYE! You would freak it out.. what more your eyes wide open... *screaming* Noooooooooooo.. I'm ALIVE.. how can I speak in your thoughts.. ??? How can you communcation??? *UGH* Excuse me.. I forgot you're parlyiazed and cannot sign lanaguges... Sorry.. I want you alive but have no choice.. I want another man or woman.. need SEX.. good bye to you.... *smoochies* When you gone... You will hunt me down... How do you feel ???

*hmmmmmmmmm*

Breathed carried away!

*back topic* Here's clean brand new soap bar!

Why can't Michael refused let Terri's parent want see her for their last breath.. ? Michael really quite SELFISH and BASTARD!

Morphine... <~~How's so INTERESTING??? Why they put her morphine.. what more... don't let her feel PAIN.. If not use morphine.. She will SCREAM and crazy mad... "Might be she doesn't want DIE" who knows! Supsecting!!!
Hopefully what up to Autopsy says about Terri's brain result??
 
Why can't Michael refused let Terri's parent want see her for their last breath.. ? Michael really quite SELFISH and BASTARD!

We don't have the facts about that part - I got conflicting reports. But just think...

If your parent in laws tell the media what an evil person you are, you'd know how it feels. Terri's parents are the ones that started the circus, not Michael. I totally respect Michael's request that he be left alone with his wife on a VERY personal issue. I would hate them with passion if they call me a murderer just because I honor my spouse's wish to die.

Morphine... <~~How's so INTERESTING??? Why they put her morphine.. what more... don't let her feel PAIN.. If not use morphine.. She will SCREAM and crazy mad... "Might be she doesn't want DIE" who knows! Supsecting!!!
Hopefully what up to Autopsy says about Terri's brain result??

I don't know why morphine was used - technically, she shouldn't feel any pain if she's in PVS but her brain stem may react to pain that comes with dehydration. The hospice said nothing about why it used morphine for her. PVS patients do grimace, make expressions, and make sounds but they're not really conscious according to PVS definitions however some believe PVS patients may feel "deep pain." Who knows?

All the so called "She cried for help" and "help me! Micheal's killing me!" come from "pro-life" side making emotional appeal. It could be that they are embellishing (lying) to make people get emotional and lose their rational thinking. Last week, the lawyer for Schlinders claimed that her eyes are bleeding but her father said two days ago that she looked darn good in her condition. If her eyes were bleeding, she wouldn't look darn good!

-jeff
 
Codger said:
Now the hand washing can begin. Michael Schiavo, his hired gun "doctors", the nurses who went along, the lawyers, the judges, the politicians, the pro deathers all can start washing their hands just like Ponteus Pilat. Guess what? It won't wash off. :roll:
Well, I agree with you that whoever allow the prisoners-tortures (which is much, much painful than Theresa's unplugged life support. Much more) in other countries/America which personally approved by Bush & his pro deathers and... Bush's Texas Law unplugged one baby's life support against his mother's wishes. Included Robert Schindler, Bill Frist and Tom DeLay who are pro-deathers (after all, they unplugged their relatives). Guess what? that won't wash off too :roll: And oh, over 100,000 innocent iraqis got killed in Iraq by Bush's war too. Now, that won't wash off for sure.


May God rest Theresa Schiavo's soul! She will be in my prayers for few days.
 
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Regarding morphine... Terri ONLY got it TWICE in form of suppository, very tiny amount. compared to a person who got leg blown off require lots of morphine!

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/28/schiavo/?section=cnn_latest
Morphine given

Bob Schindler on Monday commented about the facility she is in -- Hospice House Woodside -- saying, "I have a grave concern that they'll expedite the process to kill her with an overdose of morphine."

That triggered a response from the hospice, which has generally refused any comment on the case.

"We are not going to do anything to hasten or postpone natural death," said spokesman Mike Bell. "We are trying to provide comfort to the patient as well as the family."

Felos said morphine had been administered twice through a suppository since March 18 at what he said the hospice staff told him that is the "lowest possible dose."

Felos also countered accusations that a brain scan has never been performed on Terri Schiavo.

He said CAT scans of her brain were introduced in trials in 2000 and 2002, showing that her cerebral cortex was "gone."

Felos said Michael Schiavo decided to come forward with the autopsy plans for Terri Schiavo after "opponents to carrying out her wishes" suggested Michael Schiavo had an ulterior motive in his plans to cremate his wife.

See NewsMax report:
http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/3/29/94845.shtml

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/03/28/schiavo0328.html
when Terri's parent (Bob) said
He also said he was worried that staff at the hospice in Pinellas Park, Fla., would try to speed up her death by giving her an overdose of morphine.

later...
Hospice not giving regular morphine: records

He said hospice records show that Schiavo has been given morphine only twice since she was taken off her feeding tube: one five-milligram dose on March 19 and another dose of the same strength on March 26.

She was given the doses because nurses thought she was in pain, because they saw "light moaning and facial grimacing and tensing of arms," he said. Cancer patients and other people who are in extreme pain are often given doses of between 50 mg and 200 mg, he added to provide context.

"Mrs. Schiavo is not on a morphine drip, she has never been on a morphine drip, that is absolutely false and the dose of morphine in this manner is as small a dose as could be given," Felos said.

Earlier that day, a spokeswoman for the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast also denied that hospice staff were giving Schiavo large doses of morphine.

"We do not hasten death in any way, nor do we prolong life. That is not our role," Louise Cleary said.
Purpose of morphine given to Terri was to ease convulsion nothing more. only TWO 5mg doses in form of suppository not injection or drip or whatever Schindler says.

So she was NEVER overdosed!
 
netrox said:
You are missing the real point. The courts ruled that people have the CONSITUTIONAL RIGHT to refuse life support and their rights must be respected. It's NOT about disablity rights - it's about the consitutional right to refuse medical treatment. Even, you as a deaf person, have the right to say no to life support. It has nothing to do with your deafness. Terri told Michael and a few people that she doesn't want to live like that and doesn't want artificial support. If you tell people, "I don't want to live like that" and your wish is being ignored, your consitutional right is violated.

-jeff

Yes, I am aware and understand that the people do have right to refuse medical treatment. It's just there are already too many other scheming guardians or indifferent caretakers who would take advantage of their disabled or elderly wards who have no Living Will and would starve them to death regardless of what the disabled/elderly people said about wanting to stay alive. (I've read some horror stories of elderly people robbed of their money and starved to death by their guardians). We're making sure it doesn't happen to them like the same way it happened to Terri.

We may never know what Terri actually told Michael (and Michael's motives are too conflicted to be 100 percent sure..and he didn't even prove therapy like he promised. Or if he did, he was either too vague or refused to give exact years and dates of therapy Terri received, which was why we were so suspicious of him. ). But anyway, it's too late now for Terri...but it will not for hundred other Terris. : P
 
Here's another reason why Terri might need morphine:
http://www.democraticunderground.co...sg&forum=104&topic_id=3265113&mesg_id=3265328

THe nurse explained to her that her mother would probably die within a matter of weeks, at the longest, and that the morphine was to relieve any pain she may be experiencing on a basic, physiological level.

THe daughter then accused the nurses of trying to 'kill' her mother by giving her large doses of morphine--of course, the mother had been on morphine for a number of months (perhaps even a year or more) to combat terminal pain associated with her condition and others, and that while a 'normal' person certainly would OD if given that amount of morphine, the mother had built up a tolerance and was in no danger of OD'ing from the drugs, or from being addicted to the drugs.

THe daughter would not relent, and refused to allow her mother to receive the Morphine as ordered by the physician.

The Hospice nurse said the saddest thing was a few days later---the daughter called the nurse, hysterical---her mother was obviously beginning to die---and, as the body often does, was fighting the process. "Give her something to knock her out!" the daughter demanded. The nurse arrived at the house a short time later and started the morphine drip again as the daughter wished. However, because the morphine had been halted a few days earlier, they couldn't give her the large amounts that they had been giving her, nor the larger bolus that they had intended to give her days earlier. Sadly, the mother died, in obvious distress, without the aid of an opiod analgesic as the physican requested.

This quote is part of whole article so click above to read whole thing.
 
Boult, excellent informative post about morphine. I was puzzled by other posts too until yours. Thanks!
 
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