FL. Loses Appeal in Terri Schiavo Case

[Boult]

By the way, the wikipedia on Terri Schiavo is updated, contain a picture of scan of her brain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo

If you want to read the discussion on Terri form same site above, go to;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terri_Schiavo

 

[netrox]

We may never know what Terri actually told Michael

You're right. We don't know however the court believed Michael's testimony to be more credible than Terri's parents therefore ruled in favor of Michael. It explained clearly why the court favored Michael's words over her parents. Remember, 19 ... hear this -NINETEEN- judges sided with Michael through... um.. I lost count of how many courts. And the parents' last appeal was rejected and scorned.

It is a tragedy that Terri has to experience this. Truly a tragedy.

-jeff

 

[Nusentinsaino]

over 100,000 innocent iraqis got killed in Iraq by Bush's war too.

It was over 10,000 and under 13,000 killed in Iraq, but i get your point. Alot of Bush suporters dont really realize that Bush actually caused a chaos over in Iraq, and it still is a mess-up. So many small groups of Terrorists everywhere in different small areas, hurting America and it seems like we are fighting Iraq until we run out of troops. They also dont realize that Bush sent troops which has killed tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians, and the American troops are terrorizing the Innocent Iraqi civilians, and yet many americans are still 'scared of terrorism in america' they dont see that they are safe and those poor Iraqi civilians are not safe. Fucking selfish Americans. meh.

 

[Vance]

Nusentinsaino, there are mixed reports about causalities. America's Corporate news & Governments reported over 10,000 while other news agendas such as Europe's Guardian and Lancet reported over 100,000. I am more inclined to trust Europe news more than I can for America's Corporate news.

Anyway, here's this latest report:


LEVITTOWN, Pa. - Terri Schiavo's ashes will be buried in an undisclosed location near Philadelphia so that her immediate family doesn't show up and turn the burial into a media spectacle, a member of the Schiavo family said Thursday.

"If Mike knew they would come in peace, he would have no problem with it," Scott Schiavo, Michael Schiavo's brother, said during an interview at his home.

After an autopsy, Michael Schiavo plans to have his wife's body cremated and her ashes brought to Pennsylvania, where she grew up. Scott Schiavo said the ashes would be buried in a plot left by an aunt and uncle, but the family does not plan on providing the specficic location for the burial — underscoring the bitterness of the dispute.

Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, had fought for years to prevent her feeding tube from being removed, and they opposed cremation and wanted her buried in Florida.

A spiritual adviser to Terri Schiavo's parents, Paul O'Donnell, said they plan to hold a Roman Catholic Mass without her body sometime next week. Asked about perhaps never knowing where his sister might be buried, Bobby Schindler said, "We've already said goodbye. ... He's been doing this kind of stuff for 15 years. What would make him stop now?"

As he monitored TV news reports from the kitchen of his small house in the Philadelphia suburbs, Scott Schiavo received a stream of calls Thursday from people denouncing him and his brother. On his answering machine was a lengthy message from a man from Texas who, shouting obscenities, called the Schiavo family murderers.

"This isn't over by a long shot. We're going to get our name right," he said. "The world is going to know who Mike was, they're going to know Mike wasn't a beast. ... We're going to clear his name, and point it right back at the Schindlers, to let people know just who Bob Schindler is, what type of person he is."

Police made visits Thursday to both Scott Schiavo's home and the home of his brother, William, in Philadelphia, as a result of threats to the families.

At Terri Schiavo's alma mater, Archbishop Wood High School in Warminster, workers changed a sign that read "Terri Schiavo, Class of 1981, We pray that you may live" to "We pray that you rest in peace."

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&u=/ap/20050331/ap_on_re_us/schiavo_hometown&printer=1

 

[Toonces]

Now that's interesting... Michael Schiavo had gone into in hiding after he cremated his wife, and that he and his girlfriend and the kids are planning to move away from Florida as soon as possible because of threats against him.

Here's the link: http://www.theempirejournal.com/0403051_michael_schiavo_in_hidin.htm

BTW, I'm a bit surprised that Judge Greer won't even let the Schindlers have so much as a lock of Terri's hair to remember her by? For shame! ::shakes head disgustedly::

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Well, I don´t blame Michael.

No wonder why Michael and his family move out from Florida to fresh his new life.

How could Michael face people who bitching/judging his private life rest of his life?

Honestly, it´s NONE of people´s business because it`s Michael´s private life, not people. I realized now that Terri´s parents has no right to get their supporters to bitching/judging Michael´s private life.

Remember that Michael is NOT worst man in the world.

 

[Vance]

Well, I don´t blame Michael.

No wonder why Michael and his family move out from Florida to fresh his new life.

How could Michael face people who bitching/judging his private life rest of his life?

Honestly, it´s NONE of people´s business because it`s Michael´s private life, not people. I realized now that Terri´s parents has no right to get their supporters to bitching/judging Michael´s private life.

Remember that Michael is NOT worst man in the world.

It is funny because some conservatives kept claiming that they want the government to stay out of our private lives yet they want the government to invade our private liives. They claimed that they are "Right-to-Life" people yet they threatened to kill Judges, Michael & his relatives and doctors.

Oh you gotta love these hypocrites. Be sure to shower them with love because they will get madder even more.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

It is funny because some conservatives kept claiming that they want the government to stay out of our private lives yet they want the government to invade our private liives. They claimed that they are "Right-to-Life" people yet they threatened to kill Judges, Michael & his relatives and doctors.

Oh you gotta love these hypocrites. Be sure to shower them with love because they will get madder even more.

to the both of you! Sorry, I don't know how to quote two people at once, but I also agree with Leiblings comments above.

A lot of people formed their opinions on this case based solely on the Schindlers' point of view simply because they had the "squeakiest wheel", and they had the loudest mouthpeices. They never stopped and considered the husband. Unlike the loudmouths, he was quiet. I'm not saying that he was necessarily right in every decision he made for Terri. I don't believe that he was, but I do believe he was following wishes, and I cannot and do not fault him for that. I have stated before, and I'll believe this to the day I die; the Schindlers are selfish, and they put their wants and needs before their own daughter's, and that is wrong.

 

[netrox]

BTW, I'm a bit surprised that Judge Greer won't even let the Schindlers have so much as a lock of Terri's hair to remember her by?

After the hell that they put him through, why should he?

-jeff

 

[Oceanbreeze]

After the hell that they put him through, why should he?

-jeff

I agree. Then again, I am wondering, if maybe, it would have been better to concede some things to the Schindlers? It would have paved the way for a truce of sorts, and perhaps preserved Terri's memory. I tell you, though. I'm having a big problem with some of this. This wasn't about the Schindlers and ther wishes. This was about Terri's wishes. People have crucified Michael, because they read things that the Schindlers said about him, and believed it hook, line, and sinker. People need to step back and realize there's two sides to this, and we really haven't heard what Michael has to say. Then again, we probably won't due his exercising his right to privacy, and I can't fault him for that.

 

[Toonces]

To be honest, sometimes I had wondered if we were too hard on Michael Schiavo. But then again, his motives were too conflicted to be 100 percent sure. Like he claimed he loved his wife, yet he took her rings off to melt them and made a new ring for himself. (I was like WTF??? when I read that). And he kept saying over and over again it was Terri's wishes to die in this manner, yet he slipped up on Larry King Live not too long ago by saying he did not know what Terri really wanted. Come to think of it, if Terri did actually expressed her wishes to die, I bet she probably meant that if she happened to end up in a coma with extremely serious injuries and was hooked to life support machine, that would be her wish for Michael to turn it off and let her die. That would be more understandable. However, she probably would never dreamed she'd be starved to death - that might NOT be exactly what she asked for! :O But Michael never stated exactly what Terri said, word for word, when they were having conversation the other night before she collapsed. So we didn't really know what is it that she said to him.

So, sorry if it seemed like we kept bashing him over and over, because what he was doing was just a bit too strange/fishy/and/or even sneaky. Then again, the stories about him (and Schindlers for the matter) are way too distorted that we can never be know the whole truth to this Schiavo-Schindler mess. :S

 

[Toonces]

I came across this and thought I'd post it here... it is slightly old, but worth thinking about......



Terri's wishes
by Arthur Weinreb, Associate Editor,
Tuesday, March 29, 2005

As most everyone surely knows by now, the initial court decision that required Terri Schiavo’s feeding tube to be removed was premised upon a finding of fact that it was Terri’s intention that her life not be prolonged should she end up in the situation like the one that she is currently in.

Terri Schiavo’s wishes were not expressed in writing. But even allowing for the fact that people’s intentions regarding what means, if any should be taken or not taken to prolong their lives can be expressed verbally, the actual circumstances surrounding Terri’s statement as to what she wanted are very weak at best.

According to Michael Schiavo, he and Terri were watching a TV movie that featured a woman who was on life support. While watching the movie, Terri had told her husband that she didn’t want to end up like that. From this utterance, the Florida court concluded that Terri Schiavo expressed a desire that her life not be prolonged by artificial means that presumably included the use of a feeding tube.

Is it asking too much that if a verbal recitation of how a person wishes their life to end is going to be accepted as proof of their intention that it be at least ensured that those wishes were given careful thought? Apparently it is, for it appears that Judge Greer considered remarks that were made while watching a movie in the same manner as if they had been carefully contemplated. The only thing that seemed to matter was that she said the words "I don’t want to end up like that".

Terri Schiavo collapsed when she was 26 years of age. At the time, she did not have any serious medical conditions that would give her cause to seriously ponder her own death. If she was, as most young people in their mid-twenties are, in all probability she never seriously thought about dying. It was something that would have appeared to her to have been far off in the future, if at all. All that can be properly taken from her comments is that she was reacting emotionally to a movie that she was watching on television. It’s like watching a movie of a heroic firefighter and wanting to be that firefighter. That doesn’t mean everyone who feels that way, goes out the next morning and attempts to join a fire department. Nor does it mean that the feelings that come out during the watching of the movie last for any length of time.

The fact that Terri Schiavo’s desire not to end up on life support was an emotional reaction to a movie would explain why she expressed her wishes to her husband and a couple of friends (strangely, Michael’s friends) and never bothered to tell her parents or her siblings of how she wished her life to end. It is impossible to fathom that Terri Schiavo’s experience while watching a movie on television could be used as a basis for ordering her feeding tube to be removed and causing her death.

It would have been different had these verbal utterances been made by a person who was older. It is natural that when people reach a certain age and level of maturity, their perceptions of death changes from the way they viewed it when they were in their 20s. When their contemporaries begin to die off from natural causes, it is difficult to hold on to the view of invincibility and immortality that most young people have. A person who has matured and has seen friends and associates die in significant numbers can be presumed to have thought about life and death sufficiently that their verbal statements concerning what should be done at the end of their lives can be taken seriously. But surely the views of a 20-something woman watching an emotional movie about a person on life support is in a completely different category. There is no doubt that she would have preferred death to being on life support. She may also have preferred death to a lot of conditions that appear to be overwhelming to a woman in her 20s. Her statement to her husband about how she felt while watching a movie should never have been given any weight.

It would, of course have been different had Terri Schiavo been diagnosed with a fatal illness or condition that would have caused her to seriously think about how her life would end. But this was not the case.

The Terri Schiavo case has been said to be a boon to the living will business. It would be interesting to find out how many people in their teens or early twenties are running out to have living wills made. Probably not too many.

It appears that the initial trial court bent over backwards to cause Terri Schiavo’s death. Sadly, it appears that those who now say that we have a culture of death are correct.

Source: http://www.torontofreepress.com/2005/weinreb032905.htm

 

[Opal]

QUOTE=Toonces]Now that's interesting... Michael Schiavo had gone into in hiding after he cremated his wife, and that he and his girlfriend and the kids are planning to move away from Florida as soon as possible because of threats against him.

Spared his feelings, he is mourning for his wife's death, but it is not a big shock for him as he is expecting to see it happen as he knew it for 15 years. And funeral arrangements is lots of work to do.

Threats against him, it is terrible sad. Hope they will disappear into thin air for his 2 children's safety, as I am pleased to see no photos of his kids in newspapers/press. They are innocent.

To be honest, sometimes I had wondered if we were too hard on Michael Schiavo. But then again, his motives were too conflicted to be 100 percent sure. Like he claimed he loved his wife, yet he took her rings off to melt them and made a new ring for himself. (I was like WTF??? when I read that).

To me, I think it is lovely gesture of him to wear Terri's ring to fix his finger size, as he is carry something to remind her with him. I don't see what's wrong with that!

The Terri Schiavo case has been said to be a boon to the living will business. It would be interesting to find out how many people in their teens or early twenties are running out to have living wills made. Probably not too many.

Thank you Terri for teaching us as an example why making living wills is important than we realised, as it is sad to see it happen to be her in unfortunately circumstances, and let hope she will be the last person to have this problem with in-laws/spouses.
Sadly, most young people in their 20's don't make their own wills, some of them will died of car accidents as they think no hurry, plenty of time to worry about etc. These are the age group we worried about.
RIP.

 

[Cheri]

Now that Terri has passed away, Michael can run around excitedly, crying, "I'm free, I'm free!" :thumbd:



...And everyone else can say, "Thank GOD it's all over!!!"

I was there in Florida at the nursing home on Thursday the day Terri died, In fact that being in a nursing home for years does not give her the right therapy. Anyway never mind about that. The day Terri died I was setting up our booth at 7 am I had a feeling in my heart that something bad was gotta happen today, then at 9:04 am around there My dad told me Terri have died. Of course we had a quiet moment of tears and Angel and I went up to see the area nursing home where Terri was at. A lot of people were there, Even angry people who were carrying their signs around. I've also saw Michael there too, He sure didn't look upset after Terri passed on. :roll: Even a lot of police officers too I have took pictures will get it developed and post it here sometimes this week. Terri would always be in my mind, in my heart as long as I live. She is with God now and nobody is going to hurt her anymore. Rest in peace Terri!

I also wanted to say that even through where we were at Thursday, I felt uncomfortable around people who were angry, But the same time I understand their anger, at that time I was just hurt that Terri is gone and that people took her life by starving her. I stood there by myself for a few mins. thinking, how America has so much power the government, the judges, even through we voters don't have much to say or do, People are killing others and we have no say in this will make a differences. I felt like we living in a world where we don't have enough freedom of rights. It just saddness me that's all to it.


I also would like to add that Michael removed Terri's parent, Her brother and sister out of the room so he could be alone with Terri when she died, That was wrong, I would want my parent there too when I die. Michael wasn't thinking about Terri but his own self as usual. That's a shame that people hold their anger inside for the wrong reason and not putting their feelings on the side for Terri.

 

[Toonces]

Yes...I agree...it was wrong for Michael to kick Terri's parents and siblings out of the room just before Terri died. For shame.

So Michael isn't really sad that his wife died? Figures. :thumbd:

Yes, America is changing so much and more and more people now decided it is best for the sick, the elderly and the handicapped to "die with dignity" (even without a will). It is scary indeed. 0_o

 

[Cheri]

So Michael isn't really sad that his wife died? Figures. :thumbd:

The way I saw it Michael wasn't in tears or even sad. When Michael's lawyer spoke for Michael, He said that Michael was very upset, The time I've seen Michael he did not look upset to me. I don't know why people kept lying on the air when it's not the truth. It really shocks me that people cannot tell the truth anymore. Maybe Michael cried at home or in the car, But he did not cried when he walked out of the nursing home. Terri's body was carried in a white van that was pulled out of driveway of the nursing home. That was one heartbreaking moment.

 

[Angel]

People need to step back and realize there's two sides to this, and we really haven't heard what Michael has to say. Then again, we probably won't due his exercising his right to privacy, and I can't fault him for that.

That's very funni cause I see so many of you bashing at the ones who are on the other side.....

I don't have to listen what Michael said, so respect that!

 

[TweetyBird]

oh yea it made me mad that Michael didnt care abt it... grrr

 

[Angel]

Yes...I agree...it was wrong for Michael to kick Terri's parents and siblings out of the room just before Terri died. For shame.

So Michael isn't really sad that his wife died? Figures. :thumbd:

Yes, America is changing so much and more and more people now decided it is best for the sick, the elderly and the handicapped to "die with dignity" (even without a will). It is scary indeed. 0_o

Yep it sure is....

 

[jazzy]

She fly out of her own coon and became a butterfly. She fly freely wherever she wants to.

Time for us to let her go into peace and rest. Time for us to celebrate her new life.

Thank you Terri for open our eyes who you were and let us to know what our heart speak. Thank you for teaching us.

Good bye Terri, time for you to go home. Your done here on earth with us now.