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Your Mom said:
Funny that you all mention this, I am narcoleptic and I have a cousin who told me that I just need to accept jesus christ and come and get healed at church, I went, they claimed to have healed me and even insisted that I turn over my medications because I had no need for them since I had been healed. As it turns out, guess what?! I wasnt healed and I had a miserable next few weeks, falling asleep in class, work, and while driving.

There is a huge difference in being sad, and being depressed. While I am sure that whatever comfort some people find it religion is reasurring and allows them to take thier grief or feelings and give them up to a higer being/power. I dont believe that its anything more than the power of the mind. Example: a lot of peoples pain and feelings are merely things the mind is making up, if you can find a way to tell the mind that it is fine the problem sorts its self out.

I am a psych major and its the same when someone is saying that they are having horrible headaches, but everything seems to be fine, so you give them a salt tablet and tell them its a high dosage pain killer. The pain magically disappears, because it was never there to begin with, you just need to convince the mind that you are better.

And for some people, religion is their medicine, makes them feel like their mind is at peace, therefore relieving pain.

:gpost: The jury is still out on how I feel about this topic, but I must say you've made a lot of sense here.
 
SxyPorkie said:
You are right.... seems that most of christians are being brainwashed.. depressed is caused by chemical imbalance... and other reasons depends how they were raised up from... usually from abused families...

Christians will not be cured from depressions unless they get a help or counselors,,,

Thanks!!
SxyPorkie

Exactly, and while counseling and support can help/cure being sad, if you are in fact clincally depressed or bi-polar all the support in the world wont help. Its just like if you have a broken bone, support help and comfort from others nice, but with out the proper medical care your broken bone isnt going to get any better.

Its all the power of the human mind.
 
Your Mom said:
Exactly, and while counseling and support can help/cure being sad, if you are in fact clincally depressed or bi-polar all the support in the world wont help. Its just like if you have a broken bone, support help and comfort from others nice, but with out the proper medical care your broken bone isnt going to get any better.

Its all the power of the human mind.

And, good solid medical care! ;)
 
Your Mom said:
Funny that you all mention this, I am narcoleptic and I have a cousin who told me that I just need to accept jesus christ and come and get healed at church, I went, they claimed to have healed me and even insisted that I turn over my medications because I had no need for them since I had been healed. As it turns out, guess what?! I wasnt healed and I had a miserable next few weeks, falling asleep in class, work, and while driving.

There is a huge difference in being sad, and being depressed. While I am sure that whatever comfort some people find it religion is reasurring and allows them to take thier grief or feelings and give them up to a higer being/power. I dont believe that its anything more than the power of the mind. Example: a lot of peoples pain and feelings are merely things the mind is making up, if you can find a way to tell the mind that it is fine the problem sorts its self out.

I am a psych major and its the same when someone is saying that they are having horrible headaches, but everything seems to be fine, so you give them a salt tablet and tell them its a high dosage pain killer. The pain magically disappears, because it was never there to begin with, you just need to convince the mind that you are better.

And for some people, religion is their medicine, makes them feel like their mind is at peace, therefore relieving pain.

yeah, but there are some rather unexplainable things that I have seen. not psychological at all when cancer is there for one biopsy and not there the next. That would be one of the members of my church.
 
There are some christians way out of line. Here is the questions...... Who is Luke in the Gospel? He was a doctor, he went to care for he sick and give medicines. Who give the gift of a person to make medicines? Where the medicines coming from? From many kinds which God has made for a purpose? Even Paul wrote, I think to Timothy, to give a person some wine to cure of the sickness and not give water, bec upsetting the stomach. Yes, the church I went, deaf friend of mine ha serious cancer. And we prayed for her, not the way Benny Hinn are doing which many ways I don't approve of him, but different way of praying, it was like several month later, the doctor was puzzled and said it can't be like that already, which her cancer were completely gone. Then the other church I visited, one of the interpreter's sister had huge tumor size as of basketball, its deadly cancer, but her life was thought be over, was healed and no sign of them. Both of the churches I mentioned is baptist. God has His own time in many different ways. The only way, you can be comfort thru series of depression, go to the Word of God, its not split sec thing, its a daily process of comfort, Charles Spurgeon, of his book he wrote, it is a devotion, mostly about depression, lost th loved one, afflictions and ailments and more, called " Beside Still Waters----Words of Comfort for the soul." It is a good book, to enable each of us. He was the pastor in England during mid to late 1800s. So, thru ark times, Christ been there and He is there with you. Smile
 
God did not heal deaf people. What make people believe God will heal people with severly depression?
 
jazzy said:
God did not heal deaf people. What make people believe God will heal people with severly depression?

Damn, you beat me to it! I was going to say something similar!

This thread is slightly (read: INCREDIBLY) ridiculous.
 
Where is the world's happiest place? It's not Disneyland, but... drum roll, please... DENMARK! If we're moping around as a bunch of clinically depressed posters, embroiled in an increasingly tense debate over religion and depression, we can move there and watch our mental well-beings skyrocket.

This just came in from BBC News: Denmark: The Happiest Place on the Earth

The U.S. ranked 23rd and the U.K. ranked 41st on the scale of 178 nations tested for general happiness. Not bad, but not perfect either. Why isn't the U.S., as the richest nation and the super global power of the world, ranked number one? Something's wrong with this picture!
 
jazzy said:
God did not heal deaf people. What make people believe God will heal people with severly depression?


32And they bring unto him one that was deaf, and had an impediment in his speech; and they beseech him to put his hand upon him.

33And he took him aside from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue;

34And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened.

35And straightway his ears were opened, and the string of his tongue was loosed, and he spake plain.

36And he charged them that they should tell no man: but the more he charged them, so much the more a great deal they published it;

37And were beyond measure astonished, saying, He hath done all things well: he maketh both the deaf to hear, and the dumb to speak.
 
me_punctured said:
Where is the world's happiest place? It's not Disneyland, but... drum roll, please... DENMARK! If we're moping around as a bunch of clinically depressed posters, embroiled in an increasingly tense debate over religion and depression, we can move there and watch our mental well-beings skyrocket.

This just came in from BBC News: Denmark: The Happiest Place on the Earth

The U.S. ranked 23rd and the U.K. ranked 41st on the scale of 178 nations tested for general happiness. Not bad, but not perfect either. Why isn't the U.S., as the richest nation and the super global power of the world, ranked number one? Something's wrong with this picture!

because money and power don't always equal happiness. Read Ecclesiastes, a book of the Old Testament written by King Solomon in his later years. He had established the United States of his time, yet he regretted so much. I don't have much money, but I am durn happy.
 
sculleywr said:
because money and power don't always equal happiness. Read Ecclesiastes, a book of the Old Testament written by King Solomon in his later years. He had established the United States of his time, yet he regretted so much. I don't have much money, but I am durn happy.

I love it when people, especially if they happen to be somebody other than *coughEndymioncough* make my rhetorical questions literal. Money does not guarantee true happiness, but a lack of money can also guarantee stress if you are drowning in a royal pile of debts.
 
me_punctured said:
I love it when people, especially if they happen to be somebody other than *coughEndymioncough* make my rhetorical questions literal. Money does not guarantee true happiness, but a lack of money can also guarantee stress if you are drowning in a royal pile of debts.
that only happens when you go beyond your means. Truet Cathy, owner of Chick-Fil-E, only went into debt by $20 when he started his chain. Everything else was his money. He now owns one of the top fast food chains and has never opened a single restaraunt on Sunday. There is one thing you need to learn in order to succeed. It is easier to succeed than to fail. That is because if you fail, you have to go back and do it again. If you succeed, it is done. It takes more work in the short run, but makes it easier in the long run.
 
Not sure, if u think I said deaf person was heal, is not healing from deaf, she was healed from cancer. And also, correct, the reason america is very high rating of unhappiness, is bec money have them, not they have money. Nothing wrong with by having money, its how you use them. Money control them, ot them control mone. Look all the murder case of trying to get life insurance. And stop blaming christians and take it out of context. Its some christians, not them christians. I rather have relationship with Jesus than being religious of Jesus. That's a huge difference.
 
Regarding poverty and financial stress, here's my recommended reading The Working Poor!

As Opr** Winfr** (shhh, don't tell anyone -- the paparazzi will be all over me), I thought I'd just send out a book recommendation. Just doing my Opr** job.
 
sculleywr said:
understand that the beginning according to "real" science is, according to all laws of thermodynamics, is impossible. No matter how many ways you play with the big bang theory, it always comes back to bringing something from nothing. that means causing matter to come from nothing. Big Bang Cosmologists like to drop to the "oscillating universe theory," where they theorize that the universe oscilates in size. The problem is, if that is true, then one crest will be higher than the one before it, and that one bigger than the one before, and so on. Soon enough, extrapolation brings us to a point where there was nothing. Now, debunk that, since you claim that our claims are superficial. An impossibility of a natural explanation requires a supernatural explanation.

The oscillating universe scenario is not the only idea. You think that it is impossible for a natural explaination for the universe having come out of nothing because it appears to violate the first law of thermodynamics, which is the law of the conservation of energy.

In classic physics, the conservation of energy would be violated if the amount of energy changed from one time to another. If time began with the Big Bang, then why try to use the conservation of energy for comparing the amounts of energy from before and after the Big Bang if there was no time before it? If the amount is taken to be zero for "before" the Big Bang, then after it there should be zero energy too.

Guess what? Something can come out of nothing. The matter and radiation of the universe is positive energy. The corresponding amount of negative energy is in the gravitational potential energy of the matter and radiation. It had been shown that in closed and flat universes that those add up to zero. The cosmic microwave background and the large scale structure of the universe shows that the universe is flat, which is also what inflation theories gives.

To get an idea of how gravitational potential energy is negative, imagine sending a rocket off of the Earth fast enough for it to escape. As it moves away from Earth, it would slow down and approach zero velocity as it approaches infinite distance from Earth. If it is said that the rocket has zero energy at infinity, by the conservation of energy, the rocket had zero energy on the ground too. But it had lots of kinetic energy when it was launched, which gives a negative gravitational potential energy on the Earth.

We know that things can come out of nothing because we can detect vacuum fluctuations. Virtual particles can appear and disappear without violating the conservation of energy as long as they disappear in a very short time according to the uncertainty principle for energy and time.

One way we can detect this is with the Casimir effect. A way to see that is to have two parallel plates or a plate and a sphere be very close together so that they restrict what wavelengths are possible for the virtual particles between them, so there are less of them between the plates than outside the gap, causing an inwards pressure that had been detected.

The London dispersion or van der Waals intermolecular force can be explained in terms of the Casimir effect. It is the main attractive force if the molecules are nonpolar. It also is greater between larger molecules. It's why fluorine and chlorine are gases at room tempertaure when bromie is a liquid and iodine is a solid. Atoms of noble gases are normally not ionized, so such forces are what those atoms attract each other with and those forces are what make it possible to liquidify those elements.

The Casimir effect is going to be important for micro and nanomachines because they're so small. They also say that geckos can walk on walls because of the Casimir effect and are working on materials that do that too.

Fluctuations also have plenty of other effects. The four forces of nature are carried by bosons, the force carrying particles. The particules that interact via those forces use virtual particles to do it. The masses of the bosons for the strong and weak nuclear forces are high, so they don't last very long as virtual particles, so their ranges are short. The other two forces, gravity and the electromagnetic force are long range because the bosons for those forces have zero rest masses, like the photon for the electromagnetic force, so the particles that interact via those forces can easily supply the energy for those bosons, allowing them to travel towards infinity.

If there were no fluctuations in the vacuum, there'd be no bosons to give energy to for carrying forces. Excited atoms can go back to their ground states by giving off photons because they can give the excess energy to fluctuations that correspond to photons of those energies.

The effects of vacuum energy can be seen at large scales. Type Ia supernove are good standard candles because we know how bright they are because they happen when a white dwarf collects gas from a partner star. When it reaches the Chandrasekhar limit, the maximum mass it can have, it collapes, fuses the collected material and blows up as a type Ia supernove. Since we understand the physics of this kind of event, we know what absolute brightnesses they have, so from the observed brightness, we can get the distance to particular supernove.

The redshifts of the supernove can be found, which is the shift in the wavelengths of the light from the objects caused by the expansion of the universe. The redshift can be seen by seeing the shift in absorption lines in the objects' spectra. The redshifting also gives a measure of distance because the further away something is, the more it is redshifted because the observator sees things further away as moving away with higher velocity due to the expansion of the universe.

When the observed brightness and the redshifts of those supernove are plotted, they should make a straight line if the expansion was at a constant rate because both of those things vary with distance. It was expected that the gravity of the matter in the universe would be slowing down the expansion, making a curve with the distant supernove looking brighter than they would if the expansion was constant. More than one group of people did this and found the same thing, which was opposite of what they expected. The curve was in the other direction, with the faraway supernove looking dimmer, meaning that the expansion of the universe is accelerating.

Something that could be accelerating the expansion of the universe is the negative pressure of the vacuum energy, also known as the cosmological constant or dark energy. Thermodynamics shows why the vacuum pressure is negative.

The work done by a change in a volume is minus pressure times volume or E = W = -pV. Positive pressure is inwards, so W would be negative because it takes energy to squish things. Negative pressure is outwards and gives you energy instead of requiring energy to do. The energy in a vacuum is given by the energy density times the volume or E = rho*V. Work is energy, so combine the two equations to get -pV = rho*V that gives -p = rho. So the negative of the pressure is equal to the energy density. The energy density is positive, so the pressure is negative.

So, we've seen things appear out of nowhere with effects seen on small and large scales. It looks like the universe is a large scale fluctuation that still has zero net energy due to gravitational potential energy being negative.

Claims that a natural explantion for things to come out of nowhere being impossible do not stand when we see the universe, after all, has a net energy of zero. How a fluctuation became the universe we are in is a subject of study now and we see the effects fluctuations on small scales.

Don't say 'goddidit' because of us not knowing how or why it happened yet because nobody had given evidence that any god did it. Such a god would be a god of the gaps. People thousands of years ago made up myths to explain how and why things like floods, fires and lightning happened. They also ended up using the god concept to explain why the world existed. Such things discourage investigations into the real reasons why things happen by making it seem ok to just make up things or to have faith in stuff other people said or wrote without evidence. And they're not real explainations because they have no evidence to back them up.
 
sculleywr said:
Would you like to explain what I did NOT agree with in that? Because that doesn't refute any part of my beliefs.

Nah. I don't need to explain anythin' what you did NOT agree with. You are doin' fine. Just be yourself. ;)
 
CyberRed said:
Nah. I don't need to explain anythin' what you did NOT agree with. You are doin' fine. Just be yourself. ;)

Ok, cause the way you started there seemed to be challenging.
 
FreedummyRing said:
Depression is a disease... The mind can't turn off sadness chemical in the brain... Nothing but sad memories and all...

Need Prozac, the antidepressant drugs to make the brain turn on
happy chemical in the brain.... make you feel a little high.
Yes, depression is an actual disease. It is caused by chemical imbalances in the body.
 
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