Feeling depressed?

[Oceanbreeze]

You can cure alcoholism and drug addiction......it's simple....just don't drink or do drugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and Joyce Meyer is just another big name....just like Joel Osteen or Benny Hinn.....the only diffy is that she's more about the happy self help sort of deal, rather then miraculous PRAISE JEESUS cures.

Actually, Deafdyke, you can't. Alcoholics and drug addicts go into recovery, and can remain drug or alcohol free, but they will always have to be vigilante and guard against relapse.

 

[sculleywr]

You can cure alcoholism and drug addiction......it's simple....just don't drink or do drugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and Joyce Meyer is just another big name....just like Joel Osteen or Benny Hinn.....the only diffy is that she's more about the happy self help sort of deal, rather then miraculous PRAISE JEESUS cures.

You might want to check your methods. I have fought with anger management problems. I prayed about it, tried to control myself in every way I thought possible. I even set up a stack of cardboard boxes in my dorm room to throw a pair of scissors at to let go of the anger on an inanimate object. All that praying and all that struggling didn't help too much. News Flash, There are three answers to your prayers. You get yes, no, and later. I got later. It wasn't until I took anger management meetings with the head of psychology that I finally was able to take control of my problem. You can try to take down a wall all you want, but if you are using a pea shooter, you won't knock it down. Likewise, you cannot take control of an addiction without the proper weapons. Example, one trick to defeating an anger management problem is to have something that the antagonist or target of that anger cannot interfere with. A musical instrument, or even an exercise routine could work. When I got perturbed, I found that leaving the area AND bringing my instrument and practicing it made me forget what I was angry about. There are two types of addictions, psychological and physical. What you said woukld work for the psychological partly. However, take cocaine. This drug takes you to the top of mount everest in attitude. after the high comes a "crash." The chemicals in cocaine closely mimic certain neurotransmitters in the brain, and when the body detects the high amounts of those chemicals, it shuts down production of the neurotransmitters the chemicals mimic, same way your pancreas (if healthy) would do if you had an insulin shot. Well, once those chemicals are gone, the body is completely out of the neurotransmitters, resulting in a crash that, without another dose of coke, could possibly end in death. This is the second reason drug addicts stick to their drugs. I had something similar when I was prescribed a drug called Topomax. It is generally prescribed for migraines, but at high dosages, it is used as an anti-epileptic. I did not know this until just before I discontinued. I stopped taking the stuff, and the "crash" resulted in my having a very short, very minor seizure. I had no psychological addiction, I had a physical addiction. Thankfully, I have not had any other siezures and the drug did not do any lasting damage.

 

[sculleywr]

I wasn't talking solely of possession, but that's one view. I was referring to sin in general. I've been told by someone that because I was a practicing compulsive overeater/bulimic ( and still am from time to time), I was/am a sinner. The reasoning being that I wasn't taking care of the body God gave me, so therefore, I sinned against God.

Whatever. I haven't had contact with these people in years, and I don't plan on having contact with like minded people ever again.

Well, I tell you that you ARE NOT a sinner BECAUSE of the illness. You ARE a sinner because of the sin nature. The only way out from under that sin nature is redemption from sin through Christ Jesus. Jesus said, "I am the Way, The Truth and the Life. No man cometh unto the Father, but by Me."
This salvation is not of works. Salvation is "By grace, through faith. Not of self, it is a gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast." Salvation does NOT require you to "stop" a mental illness. Salvation requires you to confess sins that you DID have a choice in, and asking God to cleanse you from your sins. It's not about interpretation, or the judgement of the mind (mental health). It is about a simple message, and whether we believe. I believe that there is a very small chance that you would lose your mental illness upon salvation, because I will not limit God. However, it is more likely that it will remain. Even Paul, the writer of the majority of the New Testament, spoke of a "thorn in the side" that could have been his eyes (remember he was blinded on the road to Damascus). To deaf people, deafness would be considered a thorn in the side. Mental illness is another thorn that god may OR may NOT remove. It all depends on His will in your life. He may wish for you to be a person who learns through more earthly methods so you can go and help others with the same problem. Salvation is a faith thing. and it only takes a little faith, like the faith you have in your desk chair when you sit, or the faith you put in two legs on that chair when you lean back in it, trusting it to hold your weight balanced. Faith just the size of a mustard seed can move mountains. How much could be required to accept salvation?

 

[guido]

If Christianity is the cure for depression, then what is the cure for Christianity? Depression?

Jesus, save me from your fan club.

 

[sculleywr]

You lost me, but whatever. I disagree with your first statement, anyway. I don't believe sin causes diseases.

the rest of our sins do not cause disease. When Adam sinned by eating of the tree of good and evil, the punishment was that the earth would be cursed, which can cause illnesses of all types. The original sin is the sin depicted in Genesis 3, when Adam and Eve ate of the tree of good and evil. and if you think of it, some sins do cause diseases. Sex can cause transmission of gonnorhea, HIV/AIDS, and other STDs. Using drugs can too, with tetanus possible if they use a dirty unused needle. Cigarettes can cause lung cancer, Alcohol, liver disease. Gluttony eventually leads to morbid obesity. Murder, under the right circumstances, can give you a death penalty whether you are caught or not if the person's blood spatters on an orifice (EG: mouth, nose, eyes, etc.). However, disease and sickness would never exist if it weren't for the sin in the garden.

 

[sculleywr]

If Christianity is the cure for depression, then what is the cure for Christianity? Depression?

Jesus, save me from your fan club.

haha :turns and walks off without a word:

 

[Maria]

the rest of our sins do not cause disease. When Adam sinned by eating of the tree of good and evil, the punishment was that the earth would be cursed, which can cause illnesses of all types. The original sin is the sin depicted in Genesis 3, when Adam and Eve ate of the tree of good and evil. and if you think of it, some sins do cause diseases. Sex can cause transmission of gonnorhea, HIV/AIDS, and other STDs. Using drugs can too, with tetanus possible if they use a dirty unused needle. Cigarettes can cause lung cancer, Alcohol, liver disease. Gluttony eventually leads to morbid obesity. Murder, under the right circumstances, can give you a death penalty whether you are caught or not if the person's blood spatters on an orifice (EG: mouth, nose, eyes, etc.). However, disease and sickness would never exist if it weren't for the sin in the garden.

Oh, yeah it was Satan who caused that sin, because of disobedience. Satan don't have any healthy mind like Jesus Christ's. Jesus Christ's mind is very supreme healthy, the very single-minded. No wonder Jesus created a very healthy earth that provided healthy oxygen, clean air, and all. I can imagine that all the fruits were that big than today's. No wonder it explained that people in Jesus Christ's ancient times were very strong, healthy and lived over 100 years of age than today's.

 

[Momoftwo]

the rest of our sins do not cause disease. When Adam sinned by eating of the tree of good and evil, the punishment was that the earth would be cursed, which can cause illnesses of all types. The original sin is the sin depicted in Genesis 3, when Adam and Eve ate of the tree of good and evil. and if you think of it, some sins do cause diseases. Sex can cause transmission of gonnorhea, HIV/AIDS, and other STDs. Using drugs can too, with tetanus possible if they use a dirty unused needle. Cigarettes can cause lung cancer, Alcohol, liver disease. Gluttony eventually leads to morbid obesity. Murder, under the right circumstances, can give you a death penalty whether you are caught or not if the person's blood spatters on an orifice (EG: mouth, nose, eyes, etc.). However, disease and sickness would never exist if it weren't for the sin in the garden.

Do you mean like weeds? Like you see the weeds in your garden, then you pull the weeds out? Weeds are like diseases - just happen to have bad weeds?

So, does it mean that weeds come from the satan? same idea to diseases that satan caused because of the sins?

Do you mean that deaf came from sins that satan caused?

 

[RedFox]

Do you mean like weeds? Like you see the weeds in your garden, then you pull the weeds out? Weeds are like diseases - just happen to have bad weeds?

So, does it mean that weeds come from the satan? same idea to diseases that satan caused because of the sins?

There are actually people who collect the dry tops of weeds that stick out of the snow in the winter. I read about that in a book about collecting. What is a weed is a subjective thing. They're wild plants that are unwanted by at least some people.

Some people consider dandelions to be weeds. There are others who know how to cook with their leaves. There are also weeds that have pretty flowers and people call them wildflowers. Goldenrod can also be called weeds, but they repeal some bad insects. Others like wild blackberry attact insects that eat bad ones and of course they make berries. Weeds with spines could be used to repeal small animals and some others attract the bad insects away from crops.

There is no black/white distinction for such things. It depends on what you want to do with the land where the plants are growing and if the plants would help you or not. Some that are bad for people or ecosystems could be good from the points of view of animals that eat them.

Do you mean that deaf came from sins that satan caused?

There's no evidence to suggest that there is a being called Satan who causes deafness. Things that cause deafness are varried like prolonged exposure to loud noises, problems in the ear from infections and injuries or defective genes that have their origins in a vary of things like transcription errors and impacts by high energy particles from outer space.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Glad to hear about your friend that she's doing fine. My sister thinks that I should not ask my brother and his wife about their son because she thinks it's really personal and may be too upsetting to them if I asked them about Alexander.

My parents are dead so I can't ask my parents. So....oh well....

Momoftwo

Huh? It's not harm to ask your brother or his wife question about their son. It's a simple to make a first step... "I hope you don't mind me to ask you something".... see what they say then..... It would show them how interesting you are about your nephew. They would consider you as ignorant person if you don't want to question them about their son's behavior and where it comes from... I'm sure that they will be more than glad to answer your question because it shows how much interest you are about your nephew and worry about him...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

So, that being said, why is it that Christians try to blame it on a sinful nature? And, don't me they don't. I've had Christians try to shame me for my disorders. They will either directly say or imply that my disorders are a sin against God.

WTF?

It's more than upsetting to hear.

Yes, it's disgusit and judgement, Christians made. Mental, disorder, etc has nothing do with sin but come from nature.

The kind of background/form of parental's discipline are the responsible how to expose their children into mental illness, etc like that, not God, Jesus or Adam.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You can positive your life to rid of negatives things...

You look for positive life to get out of your unhappy mind...

See this list is the best medication is:

Execrise
hobby
walking
bicycle
swimming

If you want the help then do SOMETHING instead of blame anyone for that.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

the rest of our sins do not cause disease. When Adam sinned by eating of the tree of good and evil, the punishment was that the earth would be cursed, which can cause illnesses of all types. The original sin is the sin depicted in Genesis 3, when Adam and Eve ate of the tree of good and evil. and if you think of it, some sins do cause diseases. Sex can cause transmission of gonnorhea, HIV/AIDS, and other STDs. Using drugs can too, with tetanus possible if they use a dirty unused needle. Cigarettes can cause lung cancer, Alcohol, liver disease. Gluttony eventually leads to morbid obesity. Murder, under the right circumstances, can give you a death penalty whether you are caught or not if the person's blood spatters on an orifice (EG: mouth, nose, eyes, etc.). However, disease and sickness would never exist if it weren't for the sin in the garden.

Well, lets see...

Sex...Nope. I abstain
Drugs... Never touched an illegal drug in my life, so nope.
Cigs. Nope. I don't smoke
Alcohol. Nope. Don't drink to excess
Murder...Nope. I've never murdered anybody, so I'm not death penalty eligible.

So, that leaves gluttony... AHA! You just proved what I've been saying about being judged for something that isn't my fault.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

If Christianity is the cure for depression, then what is the cure for Christianity? Depression?

Jesus, save me from your fan club.

I love your humor.

 

[sculleywr]

Do you mean like weeds? Like you see the weeds in your garden, then you pull the weeds out? Weeds are like diseases - just happen to have bad weeds?

So, does it mean that weeds come from the satan? same idea to diseases that satan caused because of the sins?

Do you mean that deaf came from sins that satan caused?

Satan has no influence on the will of man. Adam CHOSE to eat of the fruit. There would be no disease or weeds if the earth were not cursed as a result of Adam's sin. Deafness, blindness, and all other diseases and abnormalities are a direct result of the original sin in the garden. They are not resultant of Satan.

 

[sculleywr]

There are actually people who collect the dry tops of weeds that stick out of the snow in the winter. I read about that in a book about collecting. What is a weed is a subjective thing. They're wild plants that are unwanted by at least some people.

Some people consider dandelions to be weeds. There are others who know how to cook with their leaves. There are also weeds that have pretty flowers and people call them wildflowers. Goldenrod can also be called weeds, but they repeal some bad insects. Others like wild blackberry attact insects that eat bad ones and of course they make berries. Weeds with spines could be used to repeal small animals and some others attract the bad insects away from crops.

There is no black/white distinction for such things. It depends on what you want to do with the land where the plants are growing and if the plants would help you or not. Some that are bad for people or ecosystems could be good from the points of view of animals that eat them.

I think that what it meant as a weed would be the thorns on certain plants and poisonous plants. And of course, living on the east coast, I sometimes consider kudzu a weed.

There's no evidence to suggest that there is a being called Satan who causes deafness. Things that cause deafness are varried like prolonged exposure to loud noises, problems in the ear from infections and injuries or defective genes that have their origins in a vary of things like transcription errors and impacts by high energy particles from outer space.

Satan does not cause deafness. Now, I have never heard of the "high energy particle" part. To be completely technical, a genetic defect could be caused by free radicals getting into the child at an early stage, messing with the genetic code as well.

 

[sculleywr]

Yes, it's disgusit and judgement, Christians made. Mental, disorder, etc has nothing do with sin but come from nature.

The kind of background/form of parental's discipline are the responsible how to expose their children into mental illness, etc like that, not God, Jesus or Adam.

There is plenty enough evidence that evolution is wrong, but this is not the thread for an evolution debate. Illnesses are a result of a background that would never have been there if there were no sin in the garden.

 

[sculleywr]

You can positive your life to rid of negatives things...

You look for positive life to get out of your unhappy mind...

See this list is the best medication is:

Execrise
hobby
walking
bicycle
swimming

If you want the help then do SOMETHING instead of blame anyone for that.

So, what would you say the SOMETHING you should do about deafness should be? Christians even have a verse about it. "In everything give thanks." It doesn't say FOR everything. It says IN everything.

 

[sculleywr]

Well, lets see...

Sex...Nope. I abstain
Drugs... Never touched an illegal drug in my life, so nope.
Cigs. Nope. I don't smoke
Alcohol. Nope. Don't drink to excess
Murder...Nope. I've never murdered anybody, so I'm not death penalty eligible.

So, that leaves gluttony... AHA! You just proved what I've been saying about being judged for something that isn't my fault.

I never said you weren't being judged for things that aren't your fault. From what I know about bulimia, it is the whole binge/purge cycle. Gluttony would include that you let it stay down when you binge. I don't want to get into the details, but I was just showing a point. Not ALL sins cause diseases. Lying doesn't. Cheating (in games, not cheating on your wife) doesn't.

Now, to deal with two of the things above, I need to ask you: Have you ever lusted after another of the other sex, or hated anyone?

 

[Oceanbreeze]

I never said you weren't being judged for things that aren't your fault. From what I know about bulimia, it is the whole binge/purge cycle. Gluttony would include that you let it stay down when you binge. I don't want to get into the details, but I was just showing a point. Not ALL sins cause diseases. Lying doesn't. Cheating (in games, not cheating on your wife) doesn't.

Now, to deal with two of the things above, I need to ask you: Have you ever lusted after another of the other sex, or hated anyone?

This sounds like it's all your opinion, and I'm not going to go any further with you on it. Suffice it to say, though, I've not changed my mind about how I feel.