FBI wants to access your online etc.

The government pays my salary, not you or the general public. If we get a day off that's unscheduled, that comes down from the top...what you people do in the public has no bearing on us. How is what I do at work "the people's business?" It's my agency's business, not the public. Now the union rep that made over $100K a year and was found sleeping on the job and getting his meals off the lowest paid employees, that's "the people's business" because he's taking money off of employees which he claims to represent. I don't earn my money off of you. If you think you're not watched when you clock out, you're clueless.

The govenmant doesnt have any money of its own. Its the tax payers money. Why do you think the federal oath of office swears an oath to the constitution that starts off with "we the people"

Why do you think we have the freedom of information act? Because there needs to be transparency with the government to insure they are enacting the will of the people.

I didnt say i wasnt being watched i said i shouldnt be
 
While this is true that employers micromanages their employees, I don't think any employees can escape that. Pretty much every job people have, they're being monitored no matter what. With the technology we have, it makes things easier for employers to watch us than the old time where people can easily sneak and not getting caught.

I'd like to point out though that your relationship with your employer is like a contract. You may release certain access to private information and or allow them to monitor you but that is part of the agreement you have for the terms of your employment. They have no right to them but may decide to terminate you if you dont allow this access. When the government does it you have no option.
 
I want to know how people who surf the web, text, make personal calls and emails, etc., have time to do all that while working. When I was in the Navy, there was no time at work for personal stuff. We were busy working at work. We weren't allowed to waste time on personal stuff. Even if all my required work was caught up, there was always something that could be filed, organized, updated, or cleaned up. If that wasn't enough, there was always some training to be done.

In business, wasting working time on personal stuff is the same as stealing from the company.
 
I agree, thats why i think they should be allowed to moitor what you do. They have paid you for work and they should get it.
 
I want to know how people who surf the web, text, make personal calls and emails, etc., have time to do all that while working. When I was in the Navy, there was no time at work for personal stuff. We were busy working at work. We weren't allowed to waste time on personal stuff. Even if all my required work was caught up, there was always something that could be filed, organized, updated, or cleaned up. If that wasn't enough, there was always some training to be done.

In business, wasting working time on personal stuff is the same as stealing from the company.
Probably not under the same offense though, if prosecuted federally for it.

Actual stealing (in the sense of depriving the company from something) would classify under theft, embezzlement, larceny, fraud, forgery, etc.

Goofing off while working should be something more along the lines of misconduct or malfeasance, etc.

The first description could and should definitely fall under liability to be investigated internally. The second might be more case-by-case basis depending on the severity - that would call whether or not personal information should be investigated.
 
I agree, thats why i think they should be allowed to moitor what you do. They have paid you for work and they should get it.
At work, by the boss, yes. The FBI randomly snooping on the general public? No.

We didn't have such technology back in my day but we did have to answer every phone call at work, "This is not a secure line. This is...." That let the caller know that the phone line could be tapped into. (The concern at that time was more likely enemy wiretapping; we weren't supposed to discuss anything classified on a non-encrypted telephone, which was most phones.)

Still, the general idea was that a caller shouldn't expect privacy on a government/military/work telephone.
 
Do you folks recall O'Connor v. Ortega? Direct violation of fourth amendment rights.

People in the private workforce still have rights as do citizens. In a federal workplace, that might be a different story but I presume there is still some degree of rights retained to the individual.
As with everything, there needs to be probable cause and that cause has to be reasonable to start investigations that infringe on the personal boundary. Your boss/employer can't just start snooping into what you are doing.
 
Edward Snowden NSA: Guardian Reveals Identity Of Whistleblower Behind NSA Revelations

Edward Snowden NSA: Guardian Reveals Identity Of Whistleblower Behind NSA Revelations

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The Guardian published the identity of the whistleblower on Sunday responsible for providing the paper with top-secret documents that revealed the National Security Agency's secret surveillance programs. The paper wrote that it was revealing Edward Snowden's identity at his request:
From the moment he decided to disclose numerous top-secret documents to the public, he was determined not to opt for the protection of anonymity. 'I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong,' he said.​
The Guardian compared Snowden, a 29-year-old former CIA technical assistant and current employee of Booz Allen Hamilton, to Daniel Ellsberg and Bradley Manning. "Snowden will go down in history as one of America's most consequential whistleblowers, alongside Daniel Ellsberg and Bradley Manning. He is responsible for handing over material from one of the world's most secretive organisations – the NSA," Glenn Greenwald, Ewen MacAskill and Laura Poitras wrote.
Snowden, however, said there were differences. "I carefully evaluated every single document I disclosed to ensure that each was legitimately in the public interest," he told The Guardian. "There are all sorts of documents that would have made a big impact that I didn't turn over, because harming people isn't my goal. Transparency is."
Snowden's identity revelation followed Greenwald's appearance on ABC News' "This Week," where he told host George Stephanopoulos that the public should expect more revelations from him. Greenwald is the journalist responsible for breaking the bombshell story about the NSA secretly collecting phone data from millions of Verizon customers. Greenwald then raced the Washington Post to break the story about Prism, a program that allows the NSA to collect data from some of the country's largest Internet companies (including AOL, HuffPost's parent company).
After turning over the documents to The Guardian, Snowden fled to Hong Kong, where he sat for an interview with Greenwald and watched Wolf Blitzer on CNN. Snowden lived in Hawaii with his girlfriend, but told the UK paper that he was willing to give all of that up. He said:
I'm willing to sacrifice all of that because I can't in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they're secretly building.​
Snowden expects the Obama administration to investigate and accuse him of violating the Espionage Act, as the administration has done to an unprecedented number of leakers.
Click over to The Guardian to watch an interview with Snowden.
 
At work, by the boss, yes. The FBI randomly snooping on the general public? No.

We didn't have such technology back in my day but we did have to answer every phone call at work, "This is not a secure line. This is...." That let the caller know that the phone line could be tapped into. (The concern at that time was more likely enemy wiretapping; we weren't supposed to discuss anything classified on a non-encrypted telephone, which was most phones.)

Still, the general idea was that a caller shouldn't expect privacy on a government/military/work telephone.

That is true as ruled in the recent SC case a few years back, I believe it was over police officers using their work equipment for communications. The government can look into what you are doing on their electronic resources (telephone, computers). But I think if you brought your personal device (hence Verizon and other public carriers) and use that (smartphone, laptop) it doesn't apply to be seized without probable cause since it is still your own property. They (being the employer) still need reasonable cause to look at it if it didn't have an issue with sanctions by the work policy in the first place.
 
I really hope nobody to get framed up by some jerks. Example-- someone confirms a crime and to use it under your name, getting you framed...
 
At work, by the boss, yes. The FBI randomly snooping on the general public? No.

We didn't have such technology back in my day but we did have to answer every phone call at work, "This is not a secure line. This is...." That let the caller know that the phone line could be tapped into. (The concern at that time was more likely enemy wiretapping; we weren't supposed to discuss anything classified on a non-encrypted telephone, which was most phones.)

Still, the general idea was that a caller shouldn't expect privacy on a government/military/work telephone.

I can assure you at my job, I work my tail off without breaks...unlike this guy:

Fat Cat' Union Boss Ousted After 'Napping' Photo Leaked



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Mark Rosenthal's 15-year tenure as the head of one of New York City's largest unions came to an end Wednesday, after photos leaked of the 400-pound boss purportedly slumbering through his workday.

At the end of May, The York Post put one of the unflattering portraits of an apparently sleeping Rosenthal on its cover, along with a damning description of Rosenthal's daily routine (into the office at 2 p.m., followed by lunch and a nap, then out at 4 p.m.) and eating habits (monthly food bills of $1,400, charged to the union coffers). All the while, Rosenthal was taking home $156,000-a-year, from dues paid by some of the city's poorest laborers.

Rosenthal, now the former president of Local 983 of District Council 37, which represents 3,000 municipal workers, countered that he worked 12-to-14-hour days, and that his back-pain medication made him a little drowsy. "I'm 60 years old, so if I eat during my lunch hour and take a little medication, can't I close my eyes?" he told The Post. "Is it so outrageous?"

He also claimed that the Post's sources were participants in a smear campaign against him that was designed to help one of the union's vice presidents, Joseph Puleo, win Wednesday's vote.

And Puleo did, in a landslide, with Puleo's supporters showing the Post's knack for puns with lines like "The fat cat has been sleeping, and we're going to wake him up today."

With a napping Rosenthal seeming to be the embodiment of negative union-boss stereotypes, conservative rabble-rouser Glenn Beck remarked that "when union workers are fed up with it, something's very wrong."

But lucky for him, Rosenthal apparently has a fairly thick skin. During his speedy ascent from obscure Parks Department truck driver to union boss in the late 1990s, many claimed that they'd "break his legs" because of his outspoken criticism of union waste and corruption. Rosenthal even got his predecessor to pay back $400,000 in excessive expenses.

The Baruch College dropout, who was with the Parks Department for 27 years before taking the union's reins, is also often the butt of a joke because of his weight. When Rosenthal was rushed to a hospital after suffering a stroke in 2003, he was too wide for a stretcher, so had to ride on the ambulance floor and ended up injuring his back and struggling to breathe. He also was too large to fit in the MRI scanner -- or the hospital's bedpans, so was told to eliminate body waste in his bed, on himself.

In response, the City Council introduced a bill to ensure that there were ambulances on the road that could transport the morbidly obese -- "Putting the Big in The Big Apple," sneered the blog Gawker.

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If he lost some weight he could probaby stop taking the back pain meds. Everyone wants a pill.

No one is questioning your work ethic Lau. Unless i missed a comment. Especially under the scrutiny it sounds like your under i'm sure you do work hard.
 
I'm not surprised about the unions, but that's another subject here. I agree that if we do our jobs you could have good relations with the employer. The FBI on the other hand, you wouldn't have a choice but the best thing is get a lawyer to help you with the laws whether FBI violated it or not.

As for breaks... here where I work, I have to take 30 minutes unpaid lunch if I'm working over 6 hours or 15 mins paid breaks over 3.5 hours (Part timers). For my workplace, if I work 8 hours, I get lunch break plus 2 paid breaks. Labor law differ by industries and states.



I can assure you at my job, I work my tail off without breaks...unlike this guy:

Fat Cat' Union Boss Ousted After 'Napping' Photo Leaked
 
Not surprised about unions and they had many scandals in past so that how hurt the relationship with union.

Today, the union is weaker in US but more stronger in Canada.
 
I can assure you at my job, I work my tail off without breaks...unlike this guy:

Fat Cat' Union Boss Ousted After 'Napping' Photo Leaked



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Mark Rosenthal's 15-year tenure as the head of one of New York City's largest unions came to an end Wednesday, after photos leaked of the 400-pound boss purportedly slumbering through his workday.

At the end of May, The York Post put one of the unflattering portraits of an apparently sleeping Rosenthal on its cover, along with a damning description of Rosenthal's daily routine (into the office at 2 p.m., followed by lunch and a nap, then out at 4 p.m.) and eating habits (monthly food bills of $1,400, charged to the union coffers). All the while, Rosenthal was taking home $156,000-a-year, from dues paid by some of the city's poorest laborers.

Rosenthal, now the former president of Local 983 of District Council 37, which represents 3,000 municipal workers, countered that he worked 12-to-14-hour days, and that his back-pain medication made him a little drowsy. "I'm 60 years old, so if I eat during my lunch hour and take a little medication, can't I close my eyes?" he told The Post. "Is it so outrageous?"

He also claimed that the Post's sources were participants in a smear campaign against him that was designed to help one of the union's vice presidents, Joseph Puleo, win Wednesday's vote.

And Puleo did, in a landslide, with Puleo's supporters showing the Post's knack for puns with lines like "The fat cat has been sleeping, and we're going to wake him up today."

With a napping Rosenthal seeming to be the embodiment of negative union-boss stereotypes, conservative rabble-rouser Glenn Beck remarked that "when union workers are fed up with it, something's very wrong."

But lucky for him, Rosenthal apparently has a fairly thick skin. During his speedy ascent from obscure Parks Department truck driver to union boss in the late 1990s, many claimed that they'd "break his legs" because of his outspoken criticism of union waste and corruption. Rosenthal even got his predecessor to pay back $400,000 in excessive expenses.

The Baruch College dropout, who was with the Parks Department for 27 years before taking the union's reins, is also often the butt of a joke because of his weight. When Rosenthal was rushed to a hospital after suffering a stroke in 2003, he was too wide for a stretcher, so had to ride on the ambulance floor and ended up injuring his back and struggling to breathe. He also was too large to fit in the MRI scanner -- or the hospital's bedpans, so was told to eliminate body waste in his bed, on himself.

In response, the City Council introduced a bill to ensure that there were ambulances on the road that could transport the morbidly obese -- "Putting the Big in The Big Apple," sneered the blog Gawker.

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When I was a health aide I tried to get as much work done for my clients as I could in 2 hours. There where health aides that took their sweet time when they went grocery shopping as they could get away with doing more work. My clients always asks me if I flew to store. Some health aides where too fat to bend down as wash their clients feet and I thought it wrong to hire a person that was not able to care for their clients 100 % .
 
When I was a health aide I tried to get as much work done for my clients as I could in 2 hours. There where health aides that took their sweet time when they went grocery shopping as they could get away with doing more work. My clients always asks me if I flew to store. Some health aides where too fat to bend down as wash their clients feet and I thought it wrong to hire a person that was not able to care for their clients 100 % .
I agree.
 
Hmmm, chat and video, so my "story" of cameras is pretty much on the mark.
 
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