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She's not deaf ?

It's official.. another milestone...
Today... breakfast.

Lotte's sister is putting butter on her bread.. and of course, Lotte also wants to have the butter, and is "demanding" it...
So, her sister says "Patience Lotte, do you hear me? You need to have patience!"
Whereupon Lotte says "Ja-Haaaa.., Lotte are not deaf !"

So, we have it from a reliable source!
 
WOW talk about a self-identity moment there, Cloggy!!!!!
 
Cloggy said:
It's official.. another milestone...
Today... breakfast.

Lotte's sister is putting butter on her bread.. and of course, Lotte also wants to have the butter, and is "demanding" it...
So, her sister says "Patience Lotte, do you hear me? You need to have patience!"
Whereupon Lotte says "Ja-Haaaa.., Lotte are not deaf !"

So, we have it from a reliable source!
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That is incredibly sad.
 
While I might ordinarily find this whimsical, I am wondering how a retort like that from a 5 yr old has it's genesis?
 
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You said that she told her sister she wasn't deaf, not that she could hear. Two very different things. And yes, I find a deaf 5 year old saying they aren't deaf a very sad thing.
 
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Cloggy said:
Same here.... Especially since we hardly refer to her as deaf. We ask if she can head when we need to know if the CI is working or not, but we have never asked her if she's deaf... We have explained she's deaf without CI... so perhaps it comes from there....

For her, "not deaf", means she can hear... and THAT she can!
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And there is the answer to Tousi's question. The genesis is in the parental attitude.
 
I hope Lotte won't have a identity crisis regarding her deafness and whatnot someday.
 
jillio said:
You said that she told her sister she wasn't deaf, not that she could hear. Two very different things. And yes, I find a deaf 5 year old saying they aren't deaf a very sad thing.
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Since you are going to over analyze what a 5 year old said, maybe she said she "was not Deaf"?
 
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doubtful she will cloggy because with great parents who are loving and a warm loving family, Lotte will always know who she is and how much she is loved.
 
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rick48 said:
doubtful she will cloggy because with great parents who are loving and a warm loving family, Lotte will always know who she is and how much she is loved.
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
 
Cloggy said:
I hope so too...
(Is an identity crises normal with deaf people?)
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It depends...I was told I can hear because of my HAs and my good speech skills. People told me that if I was deaf I wouldn't speak so good so it confused me as a child. I started believing that I can be hearing like my friends if I tried hard enough. I remember at the listening booths, I wud concentrate soo hard so I can understand every word the audi said with her mouth covered. When I failed that part, I always felt so down and sometimes end up crying in my bedroom alone cuz I thought it was my fault.

Others like my brother never had an identity problem so it depends.
 
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Once again, cloggy, you are showing us your inability to read what has been written. First of all, I did not say that this was 1930...what I said was that the attitudes of the oralist philosophy in the period are resufacing today thatnks to parent who implant their children and then claim that they are not deaf and do not need visual means of communication in order to become fully developed and educated. Yes, this is the 21st century, so why is it that you continue to hang onto the outdated ideas of oralism? You are the one that has refused to move forward, not I. And if you choose to provide your child with something that youconsider to be a technological advantage, why int he hell would you not also make the effort toprovide her with every other advantage she needs to live as a deaf person. Why stop with the CI. Technology is not use unless it is used in an efficient and productive way. Why not take all of the other steps that would increase the chances of the CI providing benefit? Is it because these actually require work and effort? Or is it because you would have to admit that a surgical procedure has not actually "fixed" the deafness?
 
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rick48 said:
doubtful she will cloggy because with great parents who are loving and a warm loving family, Lotte will always know who she is and how much she is loved.
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Many deaf adults understand that their parents loved them, but also have gained the maturity to look back on their situation and say, "They loved me but they were wrong, and these are the problems that I have esperienced as a result." Listen to them for a change.

Contrary to popular belif, love does not conquer all. It does nothing to compensate for language delays and denial.
 
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Since you are going to over analyze what a 5 year old said, maybe she said she "was not Deaf"?
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Having no knowledge of the difference between Deaf and deaf, this is highly unlikely. Im not analyzing anything, her words speak for themselves..........and they illustrate a picture of the attitudes that are beingprojected on her.
 
Cloggy said:
I hope so too...
(Is an identity crises normal with deaf people?)
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It is a prevalent condition that occurs when a child is not given the support they need to accept themselves as deaf rather than as a defective hearing person.
 
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Where did I do that cloggy? Please show me where I have ever said that I believed that a deaf person was a defective hearing person. You absolutely cannot do that. You, again, are attempting to play games.

And the fact that your daughter was not a defective hearing person never entered your mid? Why then, I ask, did you have her implanted so that she would function more as a hearing person? If being defective was never a concern, you would not have the need to correct that which is considered by the ethnocentric hearing person's estimation, to be defective.

To the deaf person born without hearing, there is no pathology in their condition. Not hearing is a normal state of being for that individual. It is only from the hearing perspective that it is considered to be pathological. Because you perceive hearing to be the non-pathological way of being, you attempt to correct the pathology. However you are correctling something that is not pathological to the individual expereincing it. Rather than expanding on the nautral abilites and adaptive nature of the deaf, you correct that which is considered, by your perspective, to be defective. In the process, you create complications in the natural adaptation and force the individual to attempt to function from your viewpoint, rather than their own.
 
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jillio said:
Contrary to popular belif, love does not conquer all. It does nothing to compensate for language delays and denial.
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No love does not conquer all but is the best foundation that exists anywhere. There is more to raising a child then age appropriate language and while there are certainly no guaranties, a child that is a product of loving, caring and concerned parents and part of a family of love has a better head start in life then others.
 
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