Excessive Force Used By Police When Pulling Over a Local Deaf Man

Accusations fly after deaf man charged

St. Paul Pioneer Press | 12/05/2006 | Accusations fly after deaf man charged

Web-driven outrage leads St. Paul cops to ask whether driver or officer struck first

Pictures bouncing by e-mail through the Twin Cities deaf community are jarring — they show a well-known local activist with black eyes and blood on his shirt. The tale accompanying the photos is sparking outrage.

As the story goes, a St. Paul police officer stopped Doug Bahl for running a red light. When Bahl tried to communicate that he was deaf, the account continues, he was sprayed with a chemical irritant and roughed up.

"It sounds like this gentleman was treated appallingly by the police and it was entirely avoidable on the part of police," said Joy Bartscher, executive director of the Neighborhood Justice Center, which is representing Bahl.

But the police version portrays Bahl as the aggressor. The 56-year-old college instructor hit Stephen Bobrowski, a St. Paul police officer for one year, on the arm and bit his thumb, according to a criminal complaint charging Bahl with obstructing legal process with force.

Firsthand information is hard to come by: Bahl didn't respond to messages, and his attorney has advised him not to talk to the media. Police aren't commenting while an internal affairs investigation is under way.

The complaint, filed Nov. 20 in Ramsey County District Court, says Bahl went through a red light at Marshall Avenue and Finn Street at 5 p.m. Nov. 17.

"When the officer approached the vehicle, the defendant would not speak with the officers," according to the complaint. "He would shake his head and make a negative gesture, as if stating, 'no.' All of a sudden, the defendant grabbed the officer's jacket and pulled the officer to the car."

Bahl then punched and bit Bobrowski, the complaint said. Police sprayed Bahl with a chemical irritant, according to a police report, which doesn't note any other use of police force.

Internal affairs investigations are usually prompted by outside complaints, though no one requested one in this case, police spokesman Tom Walsh said. Because of the rash of stories circulating about what allegedly happened, the department initiated an investigation about 10 days ago, he said.

Bahl has been an American Sign Language instructor in St. Paul College's interpreter training program for 16 years, according to the college. He is the former president of the Minnesota Association of Deaf Citizens and is active at Charles Thompson Memorial Hall, a social club for the deaf in St. Paul.

Electronic messages and blog items circulating acknowledge that people have only "sketchy" information about what happened. They say the officer who pulled Bahl over tried to speak to him and that Bahl held up a hand for him to wait. Bahl then reached for a pen and paper, something noted in the messages as a "mistake" because the officer didn't know what Bahl was reaching for.

Bahl panicked after the officer sprayed him with the chemical irritant because then he was not only deaf, but also virtually blind, according to the messages. Bahl began struggling and continued trying to convey to the officer that he was deaf and needed an interpreter.

Bahl's son, who couldn't be reached for comment, apparently sent out an e-mail with the photographs of his father and this message: "They beat the crap, I mean crap, out (of) my dad. All he asked was for an interpreter and they said, 'no,' sprayed him with mace, almost broke his wrist, kicked him in ribs," used a Taser "and dragged him on pavement. All this just for a light infraction."

Ricky Taylor, who is based in Washington, D.C., and calls his Web site the nation's most popular blog for the deaf in the United States, Canada and Europe, said he "was floored with e-mails" from people in the region about Bahl. He posted a message Sunday about Bahl with the headline, "What Else is New? Cops Beats Deaf Guy."

St. Paul police officers receive training in the police academy about interacting with deaf and hearing-impaired people, including how to identify when someone is deaf and how to ask for a driver's license, Walsh said. Police also have had in-service training in recent years on the subject, he said.
 
Nothing new - sorry to say :(

Very sad to see a photo of him in my email letter today.

I wish him a speedy recovery.


That's only happen in USA!!!

Police stop me in Australia before, and in front of him, I went to my glove box to pick up pen and paper to start communicate with him, he don't shot me for that!!
 
Well I do not feel bad for this man, he should have not become aggressive with cops in first place.
 
Well I do not feel bad for this man, he should have not become aggressive with cops in first place.

We really do not know what happened. If he got aggressive after being blinded by the pepper spray, I cant blame him cuz I would panic big time too. It would be scary to go blind in a unfamiliar situation that is out of my control. If he was aggressive before being sprayed, then that was wrong of him. See what the court says if he goes to trial?
 
In my mind wonder that patrol car has record video during happen?. maybe not. DUNNO. I notice Doug's lawyer advice him don't talk to media or else. It is obvious there is something wrong going on. I guess wait till canvass investigation is completed.
 
It's standard procedure to NOT talk to the world after you get arrested, simply because your lawsuit AGAINST the police would be weakened. Let the lawyers fight this one out, and let Doug get his day in court.

Don't automatically accuse Doug of being guilty just because he's not saying anything. He has to be incredibly careful of what he says or else it'll be used against him in court. Reserve your judgement until he's done.
 
In my mind wonder that patrol car has record video during happen?. maybe not. DUNNO. I notice Doug's lawyer advice him don't talk to media or else. It is obvious there is something wrong going on. I guess wait till canvass investigation is completed.

The lawyer usually advise their clients to stay quiet. It's best to keep this under wraps till it's brought to the trial.
 
I remember a cop who stopped me for speeding. I pretended I couldn't speak and just signed deaf so he called up his son who was deaf so he could act as my terp. I got a ticket anyway.

I've never had an experience like that deaf guy but it could happen.
 
I remember a cop who stopped me for speeding. I pretended I couldn't speak and just signed deaf so he called up his son who was deaf so he could act as my terp. I got a ticket anyway.

I've never had an experience like that deaf guy but it could happen.

LOL!!! The cop called his son and used him as an interpreter and still gave you a ticket. All that effort and time, just to give you a ticket. Geez!
 
If Doug suddenly reached into his jacket or something like that, that's a no-no when you're in front of a police officer.
 
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That's only happen in USA!!!

How naive! Get a clue! There are many places in the world they will do worst than what what these cops did to Bahl. This is not to justify what they did to him and the news does not convey all the information accurately. Eventually, the truth will come out and clarify the situation.
 
I know him, he was my former instructor in St. Paul Technical College in 1994-95.

I hope it is something it will be done with police to learn how to repsect Deaf require their interpreter as communcation key.

Police don't know nothing about Deaf's right.

Stupid Police..
 
I just want to add this.

I knew Douglas Bahl for years.. He is gentle man ever I know.. He is greatest guy even a friend to hang out.. hes into avodacte deaf community with alot greatest inspiration and heart for deafies in Minnesota.. plus hes great with patiences..
I read the news about him at work.. I was really sunk deep in my heart for him.. I remember how intense policemen/women around deafies lately because of more than few give bad impressions to the police.. that's why they are firm with deafies.. Not always.. after I re-read the news with mixed rumors..

The policeman is one year veteran.. Of course he is "still" new to the law in force with deafies.. I know that in minnesota policemen/women are learn and trained how to deal with deafies.. I assumed that rookie havent.. he just like jump a gun..

whats more.. lately high crime in cities (minneapolis and st. paul).. policemen/women are more catious with people..

Only I pray for Doug speedy recovery and deal the case with better judgement plus I am hoping that the policeman apologizing him..

I remembered couple years ago, I was pull over and the sheriff suspected that I have warrant which I didnt know at all.. I noticed the nervous in officers and tried to communicate even asked one of my older kids to interpreter.. I said no.. they said why.. I said.. they dont need to know. and it is between you and me.. they agreed and apologized as long I cooperative with them.. they felt bad that whole kids in the van with my man.. were crying and scared.. yelled at officers and begged them not to take me away.. but one of officers explained there might be a mistaken but need to go police to check make sure things are in order.. I told the kids to look after each other and marcus too.. the officers asked me to cooperative, just walk in car without cuffs.. so I did... I am glad that the cooperative were so good.. dont want put so much drama or tramutic for the kids to witness..

(the warrant was almost 4 years even i didnt know i have it.. and got it straight out with judge- no problem) whew.. :)
 
We really do not know what happened. If he got aggressive after being blinded by the pepper spray, I cant blame him cuz I would panic big time too. It would be scary to go blind in a unfamiliar situation that is out of my control. If he was aggressive before being sprayed, then that was wrong of him. See what the court says if he goes to trial?

Alike I said he should know better not to pull cards out of pocket right front of cops. Use common sense. U forgot many cops put their life up for us and many of them died. We should not become as#$%le to them in first place even though I do not like them sometime. We had a friend (hearing)who was beaten by cops too and he was aggressive with them in first place. Sorry right now I believe cops first before lawbreakers.
 
Deaf Man Claims Police Beat Him

wcco.com - Deaf Man Claims Police Beat Him

What started as a simple traffic stop, ended with a leader of the Twin Cities deaf community bruised and bloodied. Now, he's accusing St. Paul Police of using excessive force.

Doug Bahl, 56, had never been arrested before. On Nov. 17, just after 5 p.m., Officer Stephen Bobrowski pulled him over for running a red light near Marshall and Finn Streets in St. Paul.

When the officer approached Bahl's car, there was a breakdown in communication.

Bahl describes himself as "profoundly deaf." He does not hear, he does not lip read.

In the criminal complaint, the prosecutor wrote that Bahl "would not speak with the officers. He would shake his head and make a negative gesture" as if saying "no."

Then the prosecutor claims Bahl "grabbed the officer's jacket and pulled the officer to the car." Police said Bahl "punched the officer's left arm" and "bit the officer's thumb."

Because Bahl is charged with obstructing the legal process with force, his attorney doesn't want him to go into detail as to exactly what happened during that traffic stop. His lawyer will only say, that Bahl's version of what happened is "very different" from the police version.

"At that time I was in a lot of pain," Bahl said. "I was bleeding. I had an eye swollen shut and it was blurry at that."

When it comes to his attitude towards the police now, he said, "I continue to feel scared. To be honest, I'm scared."

Bahl's son Chris e-mailed friends after the incident, sharing pictures of his father, bloodied and beaten.

In the e-mail he wrote about the police, "They beat the crap, I mean, the crap out of him."

Bahl is talking about what happened next at the Ramsey County Jail, "As I look back on the piece about being in the jail, it is very painful for me now."

Because Bahl was arrested on a Friday, he didn't go in front of a judge until after the weekend. He was there for nearly four days and he said he had no way to tell his family he was locked up.

Bahl claims deputies wouldn't get him a translator, or let him use a special TTY phone for the hearing-impaired.

"I wrote asking for a TTY and I was told 'no,'" Bahl said. "I felt completely isolated from the world in jail, it was very frustrating."

Ramsey County Sheriff Bob Fletcher has a different version of what happened inside the jail.

"He was offered the TTY machine but chose not to use it," Fletcher said "(He) requested access for e-mail. We're not set up for e-mail access in the jail."

Bahl acknowledged he initially asked for e-mail, but he claims he asked for a TTY phone Friday, Saturday and Sunday before he was finally allowed to use one on Monday, Nov. 20.

His girlfriend, Sue Kovacs, thought Bahl was dead. She found out he was in jail, when an another inmate wrote a note, offering to call Bahl's family.

"I looked at the inmates in this instance, as my heroes," said Bahl. "I mean, they opened the door, they gave me that bridge to communication."

Bahl was released from the jail on Nov. 20. When he went for his first appearance in front of a Ramsey County judge, it had to be continued. Bahl's attorney said that's because there was no interpreter at the hearing.

"I was amazed that the court would not provide an interpreter," Bahl said. "I thought in this day and age, the courts were prepared."

Bahl said he's sharing his story, hoping that none of what happened to him, will ever happen again.

"I want to see deaf people feeling safe with police," he said. "And one thing that keeps us safe, is communication. And when communication breaks down, we feel unsafe.

"Right now, I'll tell you, I don't feel safe," he continued. "I don't. And I think it'll take time, because it's a pretty deep feeling."
 
Well I do not feel bad for this man, he should have not become aggressive with cops in first place.

Need to be careful .. I do not feel bad for the cops .. they shouldn't have done it at the first place! Never know cops CYA.
 
I just want to add this.

I knew Douglas Bahl for years.. He is gentle man ever I know.. He is greatest guy even a friend to hang out.. hes into avodacte deaf community with alot greatest inspiration and heart for deafies in Minnesota.. plus hes great with patiences..
I read the news about him at work.. I was really sunk deep in my heart for him.. I remember how intense policemen/women around deafies lately because of more than few give bad impressions to the police.. that's why they are firm with deafies.. Not always.. after I re-read the news with mixed rumors..

The policeman is one year veteran.. Of course he is "still" new to the law in force with deafies.. I know that in minnesota policemen/women are learn and trained how to deal with deafies.. I assumed that rookie havent.. he just like jump a gun..

whats more.. lately high crime in cities (minneapolis and st. paul).. policemen/women are more catious with people..

Only I pray for Doug speedy recovery and deal the case with better judgement plus I am hoping that the policeman apologizing him..

I remembered couple years ago, I was pull over and the sheriff suspected that I have warrant which I didnt know at all.. I noticed the nervous in officers and tried to communicate even asked one of my older kids to interpreter.. I said no.. they said why.. I said.. they dont need to know. and it is between you and me.. they agreed and apologized as long I cooperative with them.. they felt bad that whole kids in the van with my man.. were crying and scared.. yelled at officers and begged them not to take me away.. but one of officers explained there might be a mistaken but need to go police to check make sure things are in order.. I told the kids to look after each other and marcus too.. the officers asked me to cooperative, just walk in car without cuffs.. so I did... I am glad that the cooperative were so good.. dont want put so much drama or tramutic for the kids to witness..

(the warrant was almost 4 years even i didnt know i have it.. and got it straight out with judge- no problem) whew.. :)

I would agree with MsGiglz because almost everybody in Minnesota know Doug Bahl.. im sure we know that he's a very patience man and support with alot of deaf issues you could name on it. I would put my side on him 100 percent.

It's should educate the police dept to have the patience and commucation with the deaf people.. I just tend alway if i happen pulled over and i just wait till police come and look at me.. I sign * ear nothing * they should back off and let me whatever i have to take pen and paper that something i could reach but again i will have to look foward and keep point where i reach.

It's scary part for deaf people to face with police issue with pullovers, etc.

I just happen wish that all police should take sign langauge class same idea i dont' know if i heard or read somewhere that police was also forced to know another langauge to speak so it's same thing.. this isn't fair for deaf people why they will have to jump the fence and grab and beat it up because they can't just commucation?

this isn't fair to me.
 
Need to be careful .. I do not feel bad for the cops .. they shouldn't have done it at the first place! Never know cops CYA.

I do not feel bad for this deaf man. U and I do not have to agree with this. I am for cops and I am not for any lawbreakers.
 
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