EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device

[Z_C]

Wow, interesting reading.

I have a question, what is "audist"? I am clueless on what this means?

 

[Boult]

Wow, interesting reading.

I have a question, what is "audist"? I am clueless on what this means?

do a search in alldeaf on this word "audist" but please don't start discussing this in this thread! there are few threads dedicated to this word. thanks!

 

[Z_C]

do a search in alldeaf on this word "audist" but please don't start discussing this in this thread! there are few threads dedicated to this word. thanks!

Ok, found out what it meant. Thanks very much.

 

[Cloggy]

Sweetmind - I think,
so you posted the post here as well. (As opposed to here.)
Excellent, then I can reply here...

It is one thing to allow a person to choose to use an auditory device, but i see that it is unfair to decide for any individual to have a surgery that changes their physical properties. Once a person is mature enough to decide to have a CI surgically implanted, the decision should be made. To have a parent/guardian etc.choose this for a child is ridiculous.

..Rediculous - why? You chose for your children as well. That's the task of the parent. That's what parents are for. Who else should make decisions regarding children? Or are you suggesting that hearing parents should not be allowed to make choices for their deaf children? That would be something!
..

Why should it be ok to force a person into a surgery that they may rely on for their entire life. Once a child has become accustomed to these devices it is something that they expect to have for the rest of their life. If the device fails or does not continue to work in the same way for their entire life, then they no longer can use what they have been expected to rely on. This is totally unfair to any child or adult.

..The child will become.... deaf. Like other children become deaf and then adjust to deafness. There's plenty of examples in this messageboard.

If they have the choice to decide whether to use an auditory device or not then they can make that decision for themselves. It is wrong to force anyone to depend on something when naturally they are not going to have that. Children cannot make that decision. They should have the choice to decide on adapting their physical properties on their own. This should not take place unless they have been fully educated on ALL of the possibilities...positive and negative.

..Exactly, children cannot make that decision. So parents take that decision whether to do it or not. ..

If a child relies on the auditory device and then it suddenly isn’t working anymore, then it is something that they have no choice but to have taken from them. These surgeries are not inexpensive. It takes money to maintain these devices and not all people are able to keep up with this. What happens when a child decides that they do not want to utilize this technology?

..They grow of deaf or Deaf. At least they had a choice...

It is wrong to force a person to rely on something each day, when naturally they may be better off without a device being implanted into their bodies.

..There are quite a few people here that actually have it (unlike you) and therefore are theexperts... and they disagree. And some who agree...

Insurance does not cover a CI removal. If a person chooses that route then more power to them,but it is not an issue that should be decided by a person that will not have to live with it. The person that is getting a surgery of this type or any other surgery should be allowed to choose for themselves. It is something that will have impact, whether positive or negative, a person for the rest of their life.

..You remember about the implanting at as young age as possible for the best results? No - guess not. ..

By forcing an individual into a life altering procedure it is the same as saying you are not “good” enough the way that you were born. You must change physically for you to be accepted by the real world. Is this really the impression we want to make on deaf children.

..What I have seen here, it's the Deaf world that automatically stop accepting someone that has a CI.
So, you change that first..

It is a huge put down to deaf childrens true identity. People must have a choice, it is only fair! We should
appreciate the differences in all people. If we were all the same, then the world would be a very boring place.

..And they have a choice. You just don't want them to have it. You deny children - or parents of children - the choice...

Therefore we have the right to maintain the status we were born with...people need to learn to accept that. Any adaptation that needs to be made should be made within the faultfinders, not the children. Acceptance is KEY! Need I say more?

..Please don't..

"Tell the mothers I said, "Don't try to change your child; you are the adult, you bear the burden of change" - Harlan Lane. Thats what it needs to get through your head. Seeing as how there are more cons than pros to getting a CI, ( as such stated in other topics),..

"Tell the mothers I said, "Help your child; you are the adult, you bear the burden of resposibility to give the child all the possibilities life can give"

You should not just read the posts you like, also some of members that actually have CI. And then, reread everything with the intention to understand it...

It is more responsible to NOT implant a child. You dont need to hear to be alive. And if a d/Deaf child is not good enough for you then you need to reconsider your morals and prejudices.
Like it, love it, or leave it alone.

..You don't need to hear to be alive - I agree.There's no need to deny hearing either...

Thank you!
Sweetmind

A pleasure as allways GNU - sorry - Sweetmind

 

[Cloggy]

Wow, interesting reading.

I have a question, what is "audist"? I am clueless on what this means?

Welcome Zack,
I just saw your question is allready answered.....
Enjoy your stay....

 

[Sweetmind]

Wow, interesting reading.

I have a question, what is "audist"? I am clueless on what this means?

http://groups.msn.com/DREN-DeafRigh...536710486705447

http://deafness.about.com/cs/deafculture/a/audism.htm

http://www.google.com/search?q=audi...s&start=10&sa=N

Thank you!
Sweetmind

PSSTT:: (Hearing) Cloggy and (Deaf Oralism) Boult as Ci Radicals, stay out of it since this topic is NO belonging to you both. You both are not gonna to control my own topic.

Thanks!

 

[Cloggy]

PSSTT:: (Hearing) Cloggy and (Deaf Oralism) Boult as Ci Radicals, stay out of it since this topic is not belong to you. Thanks!

Well, you posted this in another topic where it was not supposed to be either, so I replied here - this (not yours) - this topic.

 

[Fragmenter]

Cloggy, no matter what you say, telling someone that not implanting deaf children is "child-abuse" is extremely rude. Since when is it child abuse to let a kid be who and what they are when it's not THAT important? Seriously, I can understand glasses, wheelchairs, fake legs, etc. because those I would view as more high-priority. But you don't need to be hearing to be a success in the world.

He wasn't being rude, he made a good point. Disjoining your deaf child from the world may be viewed as child abuse. And don't tell me we aren't disjoined from the world because we are!

If you ask Helen Keller which sense she would want back, she will choose to get her hearing back in a heartbeat. She knows more than you and I ever will. I dare you to try and say anything to reject her knowledge.

"If I, deaf, blind, find life rich and interesting, how much more can you gain by the use of your five senses!"
- Helen Keller, 1928

Hearing doesn't only help your chances of being successful in the world, it allows you to interact with the world. Helen Keller said she'd choose to get her hearing back over her sight because she'd rather to join the world instead of seeing the world.

I got a wonderful article for everybody to read (it should explain exactly why it is very important to implant a child from age 1 to 3) -- CLICK ME

 

[Cloggy]

Sweetmind: "CI is for latened deaf people."
Cloggy: And THAT is child-abuse... withholding the possibility of hearing from a deaf child just because it has never heared. That's huge discrimination!!

If a deaf child has never heared, Sweetmind say's it is not allowed to have CI!
So the childs wants to hear... Sweetmind says "NO"; CI is for latened deaf people."

That's where my statement comes from!!

I'm not mentionning anything else.

 

[Fragmenter]

Sweetmind's post #900 was written by someone else.

Dear Cowardly Individual, register here and post it up yourself and we'll talk.

I'll say one thing about that long-winded post: this is why parents are parents. We raise our children we deem the best way. We make the choices be it easy or difficult. That is why we are called parents. We have huge responsbilities so you should know better before having Cowardly Individual write that for you. And there are people who hasn't an idea what it's like to be parents or, even tougher, parents of deaf children.

This how I picture some members on AD:

 

[Sweetmind]

All I am seeing the whole thing in my topic that Audist, CI radicals, ASL/Oralism extremists people that were trying to hide a very good thing about Deaf people 's abilities that we already handed out the truth and facts on the table.

Why bother to destroy me between ASL/Oralism extremists that I m in the middle of both sides in my writings. So what the heck! You tried to destroy my reputation of being deaf that I am Deaf and Single Mom and Grandmother with my care and love for any kind of Deaf children 's true identity, Deaf children's Deaf Heritage, Deaf poems, Deaf Arts, Acceptance, Adapation and many more.

You have been writing on my Nickname in everywhere that I did not writing on anything in any topic. So what is your intention to fight with me and put me down so hard? Is it because I strongly believe in Deaf children s abilities and Deaf children 's Rights.

AND you , gnos. err Cloggy, I strongly believe you are the representative of Cochlear Implant Corporation that Boult might be the one too as well as I know of Netrox is the one too already from the past. He is very disrespectful toward Deaf children s alternative in many ways that we already disagreed many things that you look down on us Deaf people and our abilities that can be possible. It s very huge prejudced that I m receiving a lot from Cloggy that I dont have any good feelings for him at all.

Now Boult says he works for the insurance so he find people to buy it and will cover everything for their CI device in Medical expenses that is not necessary. What a joke ....If Boult works for insurance companies to try to get CI covered that means he is obviously prejudiced. I do not have any good feelings for him at all, too.

And make money from them to push tooo damn far so thats the reason they are doing it in my topic that the topic isnt saying anything about device itself only.. It s about Deaf people cannot hear everything with devices. PERIOD!

Now it s showing the true color of these audism people tried to do this to me and others that is who agrees with me. Why attack those people who stand up for what they strongly believe into a very positive reinforcement about our Deaf people s abilities and BI BI lanuages in Deaf community into the diverse world.

All I am seeing it s so extremely prejudiced by those same people that have no respect for me or Deaf children s rights / abilities. Also I want to say thank you some of you for your strength to stand up for what you strongly believe in between Deaf and Latened Deaf who were struggled because of their attitudes that has not ended yet.

Leave Deaf people 's full of acceptances of being deaf alone and let us feel great about ourselves that we have so much Deaf spirit that we can do anything except hear. The adapation of our Deaf 's abilities that we Deaf people we do not feel a failure that you created the failures that I dont appreciate it at all.

Thank you! Sweetmind

 

[Cloggy]

All I am seeing the whole thing in my topic that Audist, CI radicals, ASL/Oralism extremists people that were trying to hide a very good thing about Deaf people 's abilities that we already handed out the truth and facts on the table.

Why bother to destroy me between ASL/Oralism extremists that I m in the middle of both sides in my writings. So what the heck! You tried to destroy my reputation of being deaf that I am Deaf and Single Mom and Grandmother with my care and love for any kind of Deaf children 's true identity, Deaf children's Deaf Heritage, Deaf poems, Deaf Arts, Acceptance, Adapation and many more.

You have been writing on my Nickname in everywhere that I did not writing on anything in any topic. So what is your intention to fight with me and put me down so hard? Is it because I strongly believe in Deaf children s abilities and Deaf children 's Rights.

AND you , gnos. err Cloggy, I strongly believe you are the representative of Cochlear Implant Corporation that Boult might be the one too as well as I know of Netrox is the one too already from the past. He is very disrespectful toward Deaf children s alternative in many ways that we already disagreed many things that you look down on us Deaf people and our abilities that can be possible. It s very huge prejudced that I m receiving a lot from Cloggy that I dont have any good feelings for him at all.

Now Boult says he works for the insurance so he find people to buy it and will cover everything for their CI device in Medical expenses that is not necessary. What a joke ....If Boult works for insurance companies to try to get CI covered that means he is obviously prejudiced. I do not have any good feelings for him at all, too.

And make money from them to push tooo damn far so thats the reason they are doing it in my topic that the topic isnt saying anything about device itself only.. It s about Deaf people cannot hear everything with devices. PERIOD!

Now it s showing the true color of these audism people tried to do this to me and others that is who agrees with me. Why attack those people who stand up for what they strongly believe into a very positive reinforcement about our Deaf people s abilities and BI BI lanuages in Deaf community into the diverse world.

All I am seeing it s so extremely prejudiced by those same people that have no respect for me or Deaf children s rights / abilities. Also I want to say thank you some of you for your strength to stand up for what you strongly believe in between Deaf and Latened Deaf who were struggled because of their attitudes that has not ended yet.

Leave Deaf people 's full of acceptances of being deaf alone and let us feel great about ourselves that we have so much Deaf spirit that we can do anything except hear. The adapation of our Deaf 's abilities that we Deaf people we do not feel a failure that you created us more failures that I dont appreciate it at all.

Thank you! Sweetmind

Now if I compare this post with the previous post..... ... I can with all conviction say.... Hi Sweetmind - You're back!! Welcome...

Oh, by the way, me - cochlear implant rep.... ROTFLMAOACMEO

 

[loml]

Sweetmind

AND you , gnos. err Cloggy, I strongly believe you are the representative of Cochlear Implant Corporation that Boult might be the one too as well as I know of Netrox is the one too already from the past. He is very disrespectful toward Deaf children s alternative in many ways that we already disagreed many things that you look down on us Deaf people and our abilities that can be possible. It s very huge prejudced that I m receiving a lot from Cloggy that I dont have any good feelings for him at all.

SM,

We do not share the same:

re·al·i·ty (r-l-t)
n.

The quality or state of being actual or true.
The totality of all things possessing actuality, existence, or essence.
That which exists objectively and in fact.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=reality

You choices seem full of:

Main Entry: para·noia
Pronunciation: "par-&-'noi-&
Function: noun
1 : a psychosis characterized by systematized delusions of persecution or grandeur usually without hallucinations
2 : a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=paranoia

 

[gnulinuxman]

He wasn't being rude, he made a good point. Disjoining your deaf child from the world may be viewed as child abuse. And don't tell me we aren't disjoined from the world because we are!

YOU, perhaps... but I know several Deaf people who don't feel like they are and don't seem that way, and one of them doesn't use his voice.

If you ask Helen Keller which sense she would want back, she will choose to get her hearing back in a heartbeat. She knows more than you and I ever will. I dare you to try and say anything to reject her knowledge.

I read her autobiography. Nobody is perfect. She isn't perfect. She grew up without either sense and learned to speak with her mouth. What sense do you think she's going to want?

"If I, deaf, blind, find life rich and interesting, how much more can you gain by the use of your five senses!"
- Helen Keller, 1928

Hearing doesn't only help your chances of being successful in the world, it allows you to interact with the world. Helen Keller said she'd choose to get her hearing back over her sight because she'd rather to join the world instead of seeing the world.

Everybody feels pity for blind people. Everybody feels sorry for them. They always get what they need. How many parents force blind children to be sighted? How often do you see that? Yet you're suggesting to continue the awful practice of expecting deaf people to be normal. Blind people aren't expected to be normal, so why are deaf people expected to be normal?

 

[Cloggy]

............ How many parents force blind children to be sighted? How often do you see that?.......

Yes!!! isn't that awfull. All blind children have to stay blind!!

 

[Boult]

AND you , gnos. err Cloggy, I strongly believe you are the representative of Cochlear Implant Corporation that Boult might be the one too as well as I know of Netrox is the one too already from the past. He is very disrespectful toward Deaf children s alternative in many ways that we already disagreed many things that you look down on us Deaf people and our abilities that can be possible. It s very huge prejudced that I m receiving a lot from Cloggy that I dont have any good feelings for him at all.

Now Boult says he works for the insurance so he find people to buy it and will cover everything for their CI device in Medical expenses that is not necessary. What a joke ....If Boult works for insurance companies to try to get CI covered that means he is obviously prejudiced. I do not have any good feelings for him at all, too.

I think Cloggy's daughter use Cochlear Corporation's Nucleus brand. (right cloggy?) Netrox does not have Cochlear Corporation's Nucleus. He use Advanced Bionic's brand. I have Advanced Bionic's brand. That's show that you don't know ALL ABOUT ME! eh... I already mentioned which brands I use in other thread in AD.

Where did I say I works for the insurance in AllDeaf? That's shows that you are blinded with anger because you do not know who I work for! I have mentioned that I am SELF-EMPLOYED in AllDeaf! Self-Employed means NOT WORKING for Insurance company. I don't work for anyone at all but myself.

Still you don't KNOW ALL ABOUT ME! nothing! you dumped false accusation about me in AD several times.. now you can't edit or delete your mistakes!!

It's a real bummer to see you spewing misinformation about me based on your misunderstanding my several posts in AllDeaf! SAD!

 

[loml]

reality check

How many parents force blind children to be sighted? How often do you see that?

Technology has not yet perfected correcting vision problems, it is only a matter of time.

Yet you're suggesting to continue the awful practice of expecting deaf people to be normal

.

GNU,
You have a habit of putting your own spin on things.

Blind people aren't expected to be normal, so why are deaf people expected to be normal?

You need to take of your DC blinders, sit back and look at the real world.

 

[Cheri]

Dear Cowardly Individual, register here and post it up yourself and we'll talk.
This how I picture some members on AD:

Isn't that uncall for, Fragmenter? I believe so, because first of all we are all equal here, we all have a right to our opinion and we can agree to disagree, If you don't like how one responds then put that person on ignored. It turns me off when some of you go against each others throat, and have a name for someone that might offended one another. Why can't we all act like adult, or do we have to act like children?

 

[Cheri]

Hearing doesn't only help your chances of being successful in the world, it allows you to interact with the world.

Sorry, I don't agree with you. You think that those who are deaf would not be successful in the world or allow to interact with the world, Only those who have hearing? Deaf people can function and interact socially in the hearing world. The only thing deaf people rely in the Deaf Community is when they want to socializing with other deaf people like them, to make friends to know one another, to share the same background experience, having a conversation. We don't need to depends only on the amount and type of hearing they need to have to allowing to interact with the world.

 

[Fragmenter]

What sense do you think she's going to want?

Everybody feels pity for blind people. Everybody feels sorry for them. They always get what they need. How many parents force blind children to be sighted?

She is an extremely BRILLIANT woman. She lived a full life being blind and deaf. She knows which sense she wants back after 80 years of fighting.

Everybody feels sorry for the deaf, too. Seriously.

Every parents wants to give their children the world and we have the ability to do so. Helen Keller would be ashamed to see the deaf community being this way. I'd love to know what she would think of us.