EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device

[Sweetmind]

originally posted by Cloggy

Originally Posted by Sweetmind
.................. I am very liberal woman ...

I am assuming that you think it is a joke to say I am Liberal...

liberal, adjective, noun.
adj. 1a. generous; having or giving freely.
Ex. a liberal donation. A liberal giver gives much. The bearers ... are persons to whom you cannot be too liberal (Dickens). Wisely liberal of his money for comfort and pleasure (John Ruskin).
(SYN) bountiful.
b. plentiful; abundant.
Ex. We put in a liberal supply of fuel for the winter.
(SYN) ample, large.
2a. tolerant; not narrow in one's ideas and views; broad-minded.
Ex. a liberal thinker, liberal theology.
b. not strict; not rigorous.
Ex. a liberal interpretation of a rule.
3. favoring progress and reforms.
Ex. a liberal political program.
4. giving the general thought; not a word-for-word rendering; broad and sympathetic as opposed to literal and pedantic.
Ex. a liberal translation.
5. of or having to do with the liberal arts or a liberal education.
6. (Obsolete.)
a. free from restraint; free in speech or action.
b. licentious.
noun a person favorable to progress and reforms.
adv. liberally.
noun liberalness.

Well now I guess the joke is on you.



Sweetmind

 

[gnulinuxman]

STOP USING THE LABEL, "HEARING" WORLD BECAUSE IT IS JUST REALLY CALLED "WORLD". It's REALITY! Geez.

No, "WORLD" includes EVERYBODY

I am deaf who is already successful and will learn how to hear someday later. I know we can be very successful but I know our chances will be better if we could hear and speak. That is all I've been preaching all along.

And while you are right here, I am against the current situation.

I don't like the size of the friends pool I have to choose from in the deaf world because the world is practically unlimited out there. I have awesome hearing friends that are more of my type and I sometimes have more fun with them than I do with my deaf friends.

Corollary to that: I have awesome Deaf friends who are more of my type (hell, I'm in love with one). Why should I limit myself to hearing friends?

I can't interact with the hearing people the way I wish I could but I can't interact with most deaf people the way I wish, too, if you get my drift.

How is that? I'm asking because I don't understand what you're getting at.

 

[Cloggy]

.................. I am very liberal woman ...

........... b. not strict; not rigorous.
Ex. a liberal interpretation of a rule.
3. favoring progress and reforms.
Ex. a liberal political program.
4. giving the general thought; not a word-for-word rendering; broad and sympathetic as opposed to literal and pedantic.
Ex. a liberal translation.
5. of or having to do with the liberal arts or a liberal education.
6. (Obsolete.)
a. free from restraint; free in speech or action.
b. licentious.
noun a person favorable to progress and reforms.
adv. liberally.
noun liberalness.
[/B]. ..........

 

[gnulinuxman]

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2&chapter=4&verse=11&context=verse

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2&chapter=4&verse=11&context=verse

 

[Cloggy]

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2&chapter=4&verse=11&context=verse

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2&chapter=4&verse=11&context=verse

Does it become more true when you post the link twice???

Anyway.... looking for the passage about not allowing to do something about it....

 

[Cloggy]

Would Jesus do something against the will of God??

Mark 7:31 TNIV (Today's New International Version)
Jesus Heals a Deaf and Mute Man

31 Then Jesus left the vicinity of Tyre and went through Sidon, down to the Sea of Galilee and into the region of the Decapolis. [h] 32 There some people brought to him a man who was deaf and could hardly talk, and they begged Jesus to place his hand on him.

33 After he took him aside, away from the crowd, Jesus put his fingers into the man's ears. Then he spit and touched the man's tongue. 34 He looked up to heaven and with a deep sigh said to him, "Ephphatha!" (which means "Be opened!"). 35 At this, the man's ears were opened, his tongue was loosened and he began to speak plainly.

36 Jesus commanded them not to tell anyone. But the more he did so, the more they kept talking about it. 37 People were overwhelmed with amazement. "He has done everything well," they said. "He even makes the deaf hear and the mute speak."

 

[Bear]

dag gone it. Almost had the topic closed but for some reason, I just couldnt get out here without having to say something! *sighs* here goes.


Cloggy,

Even I am now beginning to wonder if you are not indeed a representative for the CI companies. Wanting to put your point of view across is one thing. But it's another thing to have your signature line say CI can hear now!

Are you having fun being so totally up in everyone's face about it? It's really turning me off about a CI and its really turning me off ALLDEAF altogether.

Yes, I realize SMC is very outspoken in her views but they are debateable. Even though she chooses not to respond back. It's like you and Boult are delighting in being out there with your CI PUSH. If your not a representative then find a more less in your face approach.

Sorry, but when I saw that signature CI can hear now, it helped make me a believer that Sweetmind MIGHT be right.

Like I said, I am considering a CI but if I did get one I sure as heck wouldn't have the attitude that a CI makes everyone hear. Cause we both know that simply isnt true.

And what's up with the insults? It doesnt help to get your point across and all and tends to make most of us readers who are following this topic stop paying attention to you. The comments like Sourmind and sexypig need to stop. It's a turn-off. You can do better than that. And as a fellow parent, when your child grows up do you really want her to see that YOU couldn't rise above name-calling? Also, I wonder what that would teach her to do?

Cloggy, I was very interested to see how this turns out in the end and was reading your posts to see what you had to say about what others think, but sorry to say you ended up disappointing me and PROBABLY others with that sig.

tsk tsk Cloggy,

you can do better than that!

Bear

 

[Cloggy]

............ But it's another thing to have your signature line say CI can hear now!.................
Sorry, but when I saw that signature CI can hear now, it helped make me a believer that Sweetmind MIGHT be right.

Like I said, I am considering a CI but if I did get one I sure as heck wouldn't have the attitude that a CI makes everyone hear. Cause we both know that simply isnt true................
tsk tsk Cloggy,

you can do better than that!

Bear

It's not a signature!!
I would not think of doing that. It was a 1-time statement.
YOu could have seen that because it's not on all my posts.

And by the way, with CI people can hear. The might not understand eveything but they can hear. They are still considerded HOH, but they can hear.

And you are right.... I do know better than that.

 

[Bear]

cant find the thumbs down emote.

Gnu,

Now that is going too far. Bringing the bible into something that the bible has no place being in.

Ci's were not even around when the bible was wrote. Neither were hearing aids and many other devices that are now available to the deaf.

Many could argue that a VP is against the bible and God.

No matter what you want to believe or say, a CI, hearing aid, tty, and a VP is all man-made devices. NOT something given to us by God.

So does that mean we should stop using ALL devices because they weren't given to us by God? In that case better throw your money out too! Also better throw your apt or house out too and live on the streets! Oops there goes Medicines as well.

Disappointing approach there. You too can do better.

Bear

 

[deafmedicalpoet]

will you be quiet if you dont have the experience

STOP USING THE LABEL, "HEARING" WORLD BECAUSE IT IS JUST REALLY CALLED "WORLD". It's REALITY! Geez.

I am deaf who is already successful and will learn how to hear someday later. I know we can be very successful but I know our chances will be better if we could hear and speak. That is all I've been preaching all along.

I don't like the size of the friends pool I have to choose from in the deaf world because the world is practically unlimited out there. I have awesome hearing friends that are more of my type and I sometimes have more fun with them than I do with my deaf friends.

I can't interact with the hearing people the way I wish I could but I can't interact with most deaf people the way I wish, too, if you get my drift.

I know what the ""fricking hearing world'' is like and also know what the deaf world is like a bit so. I have a lot of experience. Plus many other late deafie could agree with me on this even though I left the hearing world painfully and entered the deaf world painfully. So don't give that s*** here and what the f*** you think the world reality really is and I have got to say I could show you a picture of my journey in a comic (if you want so much proof)!!!

Deaflinuxgeek

 

[greema]

Sweetmind - I think,
so you posted the post here as well. (As opposed to here.)
Excellent, then I can reply here...
..Rediculous - why? You chose for your children as well. That's the task of the parent. That's what parents are for. Who else should make decisions regarding children? Or are you suggesting that hearing parents should not be allowed to make choices for their deaf children? That would be something!
....The child will become.... deaf. Like other children become deaf and then adjust to deafness. There's plenty of examples in this messageboard...Exactly, children cannot make that decision. So parents take that decision whether to do it or not. ....They grow of deaf or Deaf. At least they had a choice.....There are quite a few people here that actually have it (unlike you) and therefore are theexperts... and they disagree. And some who agree.....You remember about the implanting at as young age as possible for the best results? No - guess not. ....What I have seen here, it's the Deaf world that automatically stop accepting someone that has a CI.
So, you change that first....And they have a choice. You just don't want them to have it. You deny children - or parents of children - the choice.....Please don't..
You should not just read the posts you like, also some of members that actually have CI. And then, reread everything with the intention to understand it.....You don't need to hear to be alive - I agree.There's no need to deny hearing either...A pleasure as allways GNU - sorry - Sweetmind

you know, i actually skimmed most of s.m.'s post until you replied to it and when i reread what she wrote i realized that this is NOT her writing style!

anyway, i hope everyone had a great Memorial Day weekend -- and cloggy i realize you don't celebrate this holiday in Norway so i hope you had a wonderful weekend with your family

 

[Sweetmind]

http://www.deafart.org/Artworks/Descriptions_2/descriptions_2.html

Elizabeth A. Morris

False Hope for Deaf Children, 1994
Computer Color Output, 20" x 24"

"Hearing parents upon discovering that their child is deaf immediately cling to the promise of technology in hopes that their child's deafness can be overcome. The idea of a cochlear implant for their deaf child was implanted into their heads. The wire sparking on the side of the deaf child's head emphasizes that of ripping apart the culture which we want to preserve. This deaf child's cry shows her sadness over her parents' inability to accept her as she is. A single road with a sign saying wrong way represents the isolation and confusion of identity. This quote 'Not my choice...Cochlear Implants' is a message to hearing parents who have the 'right' to make decisions about their deaf child."

False Image of Cochlear Corporation, 1994
Graphic Color Output, 20" x 24"

"The colorful and powerful images of cochlear implants that encourage a promise that implants will actually allow the children to speak. It markets a 'bionic ear' for surgical insertion in deaf children over the age of two. My intention was to use the powerful image of cochlear implants in my work to show the promise is false and hypocritical. the series of distorted images of the deaf child represent the fear that science is taking the place of 'Deaf life.' The speech processor on the road emphasizes a look-alike scorpion crawling as the electrode tail weaves its way, crushing cells and destroying membranes in the inner ear. It is almost like trying to destroy 'Deaf pride.'"

Technology Changes Our Perception of Reality, 1994
Graphic Color Output, 20" x 24"

"Is there really any benefit to being severely hearing impaired instead of being totally deaf? I see a problem with the implants even when they work. So much time is spent learning to listen and speak, that implanted children do not learn about the world in which they live. That seems such a waste. I wanted to present more the idea of creativity and interaction. I scanned an original image of the cochlear implant. All subsequent images came from manipulating this one image. The main tools used were filters and Photoshop 3.0. It developed unique image-processing looks that combined abstract typographic forms, giving impression to the hearing parents' visual identity. There is only one choice as we move deeper into this revolution that touches every aspect of the deaf human condition."

and the rest of others.

 

[Sweetmind]

you know, i actually skimmed most of s.m.'s post until you replied to it and when i reread what she wrote i realized that this is NOT her writing style!

I dont care what you think. All I m seeing you love to put deaf people down for a very bad reason.

AND also OOOoooOOOooo so she admits she did not read my posts. ** scratching my head.** :liar: :liar:

 

[Bear]

It's not a signature!!
I would not think of doing that. It was a 1-time statement.
YOu could have seen that because it's not on all my posts.

And by the way, with CI people can hear. The might not understand eveything but they can hear. They are still considerded HOH, but they can hear.

And you are right.... I do know better than that.

Lol Cloggy I have read your posts and will admit this is the first time I have seen you use that Sig. Needless to say though it was a turn-off to your arguement. And if you didn't notice I also told Gnu off too.

I am not all one sided here. I have my opinions and you have yours, which is why I pretty much avoid the CI topic all together. Because, my opinions and yours do not mix. We would be going head to head alot. Instead I chose to respect yours and with hold mine.

Instead, I chose to comment on things I truly know about.

Maybe a better sig would have been FOR SOME OF THOSE CI CAN HEAR.

Your statement implies that for everyone a Ci makes them to be able to hear.


Bear

 

[Cloggy]

Lol Cloggy I have read your posts and will admit this is the first time I have seen you use that Sig. Needless to say though it was a turn-off to your arguement. And if you didn't notice I also told Gnu off too.

I am not all one sided here. I have my opinions and you have yours, which is why I pretty much avoid the CI topic all together. Because, my opinions and yours do not mix. We would be going head to head alot. Instead I chose to respect yours and with hold mine.

Instead, I chose to comment on things I truly know about.

Maybe a better sig would have been FOR SOME OF THOSE CI CAN HEAR.

Your statement implies that for everyone a Ci makes them to be able to hear.

p.s. It's not a signature... it is still there. My signature is below...

Bear

Appreciate your comments... and perhaps we would be going head to head.... But I feel we would be able to agree to disagree as we would understand where both of us are standing...

Right now I 'm PO'd by the biblical interpretations of deafness......
(See my new topic..)

 

[Cloggy]

http://www.deafart.org/Artworks/Descriptions_2/descriptions_2.html

Elizabeth A. Morris

False Hope for Deaf Children, 1994
Computer Color Output, 20" x 24"
.........................

False Image of Cochlear Corporation, 1994
Graphic Color Output, 20" x 24"
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Technology Changes Our Perception of Reality, 1994
Graphic Color Output, 20" x 24"
...............

And then we also have other pieces of art.... From Left to right: Lotte, her sister and a friend.... COMMUNICATING, HAVING FUN

 

[R2D2]

And also, we have all kind of different communities that has Deaf Africian American, Deaf Native American, Deaf American, Deaf/Hearing Blind American, Asia American .. We are different from them so we stood up for our ourself for a very good reason.

Thank you!
Sweetmind

Ahem! I'm from an ethnic background also and in order to access that cultural aspect of myself I need to be able to hear. There are virtually no deaf people of my cultural background that I know of except in my immediate family.

My other family members all live overseas and even if let's say they learned sign the sign language that they would learn in their country is not the same as the one I would learn in my country. I really love my overseas aunts and if I hadn't been able to hear and speak I would have missed out on some very warm relationships with them.

Spoken English is a very handy lingua franca even in the hearing world.

 

[Sweetmind]

YOu were able to speak before CI so dont tell me you didnt speak before CI device.. sighs!

I dont need your excuses.. I m speaking of Deaf people from Different Deaf cultures from this diverse world. PERIOD!

 

[Cloggy]

............... I m speaking of Deaf people from Different Deaf cultures from this diverse world. PERIOD!

You are really funny Sweetmind.
Can appreciate you sense of humor.

 

[Fragmenter]

No, "WORLD" includes EVERYBODY.

The deaf community is a world within a world. Period. Of course, one year in the deaf world shouldn't be enough for you to tell the difference.

And while you are right here, I am against the current situation.

TBSS I used to be the same. Sorry.

Corollary to that: I have awesome Deaf friends who are more of my type (hell, I'm in love with one). Why should I limit myself to hearing friends?

I didn't say you should limit yourself to hearing friends. I just have a particular sense of humor and I am not politically correct at all.

How is that? I'm asking because I don't understand what you're getting at.

I just love the way hearing people expresses themselves and delivers their jokes so I wish I could do the same. I wish I could speak because I like English better than ASL. I feel I can express myself through English just as well as I can through ASL. I think the better you understand English, the more you desire to speak and hear.

On the flipside, with the deaf friends, I can communicate with them flawlessly but I feel frustrated because we can't really carry complicated conversations. They are mostly on the surface and aimless. There are tons more examples but that's a whole another topic.