EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device

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http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=27357 You can find the person who is a former CIer and no one respects him...for example. Many CI failure ppl try to admit their experiences..but ppl with Audist attitude attacked him for swearing while describing his story...Just read this and maybe you can understand a little bit more why my opinion still stands.


I read all posts in that thread. However, it did not help a bit to understand where your opinion stands. I think I know where you stand though from previous discussions in another forum and the current discussions here. You are against any hearing device (especiall CIs) that can help a child hear. You obviously don't think sound has importance at all, especially to born deaf children. If I am wrong please tell me. You know though what makes me wonder? Somewhere in this forum you stated that you wore your HAs until six years ago. Why did you wear them if you are so against to hearing devices? Or is it only CIs that you are opposed to? You should know though that people get CIs because they can't benefit from HAs. It is unfair to be against them simply because they can't benefit from HAs and to not have a problem with people who use HAs. So it was ok for you to use HAs, but it's not ok for people who use CIs? How is that? They share the same need, wish...they all want to hear.

So the person who started the discussion in the thread shown above had a CI? So he wasn't happy with it? And because the CI didn't work for HIM, CIs are bad? I am not sure that I understand your point. I am sorry if the CI didn't work for him but there are people who were implanted and are happy for the results. What about those cases? We simply ignore them?

I don't think people attacked him because they had an audist attitude. From what I read, he was simply very very rude. You can't tell people to shut up. Period. So they did attack him for a good reason, not because they had an audist attitude. What does that have to do with anything?

Another thing. There is a deaf school in New York, the Lexington School for the Deaf. I had visited in the past a few times. I must tell you that many children who attended that school had been implanted. What surprised me is that adolescents were implanted too...not because their parents wanted it but because THEY wanted to find out how it is to hear. Is that bad? To want to experience hearing? What would you say to an adolescent who wants to hear? Don't get a CI because sound is not important? ASL in our language? You don't need speech? You don't need hearing? Keep in mind that all these children used sign as their main language and did work on their speech.
I would like to know what you would say to a deaf adolescent who is asking to get a CI. Really what would you tell to this young person?
 
vp said:
THEY wanted to find out how it is to hear. Is that bad? To want to experience hearing? What would you say to an adolescent who wants to hear? Don't get a CI because sound is not important?

Amen. What's so bad about hearing sounds? You can hear and talk yet sign. Why is multitasking so bad?

Deaf people's attidute towards other deaf people wanting to experience hearing is eerily similar to "The Village" by M. Night Shyamalan. There is a whole new world out there... We can have the best of both worlds! :deal:
 
What I am trying to point out here is that the sign language and written language the kid learns do NOT need to match in grammar. The child could become BILINGUAL.

And what I was trying to say, ASL and written English which is a version of hearing English are so different that it is common sense to WANT to learn both, not stop at just ASL.
The child could learn and benefit from both of these.

Basically I said the same thing- differently.
Are you trying to objectively discuss things, or are you trying to find a way to discredit me personally for some reason?

We made a circle, didn't we?


BTW I am still waiting to learn how may doctors and specialist you've been to, and what did you found on Google CI+efficacy.

You personally, I am NOT interested in the sites.

Fuzzy
 
Bear, hon,


Negative feedback. I agree. It's allways more trustworthy to get the negative with the positive.
Recently, my father-in-law was in the hospital, several time close to death. The doctors told us straight how it was. Also when it was bad. The result was that when it went well, we knew it went well. Not just a nice talk, but we knew we got the real information.

So, I agree, negative views should be given as well.
She was operated upon; we took a chance on that no matter how small that chance is.
She wears a device in her head that may need replacement in the future, as in 15 to 20 years.
She wears a device on the outside of her head that is visible when not covered by hair.
She needs to go to "mappings" in order to adjust the system which means a lot of traveling.

Did she have any discomfort after the first day?? No, cannot give you a negative feedback on that.
Has she ever had any bad experiences with sound?? Yes, about 2 times. Nothing in the last 1-1/2 years.
Can she speak like her age?? No, she is lacking about 2 years.
Does she like wearing the device?? Yes, she asks for them when she comes out of her room.
Does she hate being deaf?? No, when she wakes up she can play in her room for hours, deaf. She wants to hear when other people are around.
Do people stare: Sure, out of curiosity. SOme nice conversations came from it.
Did she stop signing?? Not at first, but she uses fewer signs to us. Uses her voice whenever she can.

You know, it's difficult finding negative things with CI.
I must have missed some. Feel free to ask questions about her. On her, I'm the expert... straight after my wife!

Good Luck, Bear

And again, ask about some experiences that could be negative. Will be glad to answer them.

By the way.... what's this about taking away a sense with children so they can be part of the Deaf community?
 
Fragmenter said:
Amen. What's so bad about hearing sounds? You can hear and talk yet sign. Why is multitasking so bad?

Deaf people's attidute towards other deaf people wanting to experience hearing is eerily similar to "The Village" by M. Night Shyamalan. There is a whole new world out there... We can have the best of both worlds! :deal:

I must go to the video store and get this film as I've heard similar remarks about it. Does it have closed captions?
 
neecy said:
Well the gist of the arguement being debated, is because Sweetmind said "you audists think CI's is a cure."

Its been repeatedly said by those here who have CI's and have children with CI's that it isn't. When that was pointed out, gnulinuxman said that its CI professionals who say that. But yet I've never seen an article or heard a CI professional say that.

You can't keep grasping at straws. She said "us audists".... we replied, and proved her wrong.
All you've proven is that you can't read without judging people who disagree with you about cochlear implants.

That isn't even her point.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
And what I was trying to say, ASL and written English which is a version of hearing English are so different that it is common sense to WANT to learn both, not stop at just ASL.
The child could learn and benefit from both of these.
That's not the impression I got, but if that's what you really meant, then thanks for clarifying.

Audiofuzzy said:
Basically I said the same thing- differently.
Are you trying to objectively discuss things, or are you trying to find a way to discredit me personally for some reason?
I'm trying to figure out where people stand on certain issues.

Audiofuzzy said:
We made a circle, didn't we?
If you say so... :roll:


Audiofuzzy said:
BTW I am still waiting to learn how may doctors and specialist you've been to, and what did you found on Google CI+efficacy.
Typing that in yields a bunch of irrelevant pages.

Audiofuzzy said:
You personally, I am NOT interested in the sites.
:dunno: :confused:
 
gnulinuxman said:
That's not the impression I got, but if that's what you really meant, then thanks for clarifying.

I'm trying to figure out where people stand on certain issues.

If you say so... :roll:


Typing that in yields a bunch of irrelevant pages.

:dunno: :confused:
try typing [ "cochlear implant" efficacy ] of course if you just typed "ci" you will get irrelevant. I thought you would use common sense and type the word in full instead of abbreviated.
 
For Hearing People Only!

Perhaps I can help explain to hearing people, and perhaps late-deafened people, what born-deaf people like Sweetmind feel about implanting children.

I was born without mind-reading senses. I am happy living without them. But what if people were born who could read minds? What if I was forced to read minds and not allowed to communicate manually or orally? What if they came out with a brain implant that helped people read minds somewhat but didn't work fully and then started harassing people who couldn't read minds?

That's how I feel when I'm in these kinds of arguments. I would still prefer using my eyes and ears to communicate because those are my senses that work. That's why born-deaf people generally prefer visual communication--it is their strongest sense.

Please consider this point.
 
Boult said:
try typing [ "cochlear implant" efficacy ] of course if you just typed "ci" you will get irrelevant. I thought you would use common sense and type the word in full instead of abbreviated.
Cochlear implants aren't 100% evil. I am not against cochlear implants. I am not against cochlear implants. I am against selfish parents who implant their deaf children or force them to speak orally only because they don't want to learn to sign. I'm not saying ALL parents are that way. I am not saying that even most are that way. I am saying that MANY parents implant their children and/or force oral communication for selfish reasons. The MOTIVE is what I am talking about. I am NOT against deaf people who use cochlear implants in general. I will never be.

I'm trying to point out the Deaf Cultural perspective on cochlear implant ad campaigns and related education. I DO NOT discriminate against someone based on how they communicate. It is unfair to do so. I do NOT believe one "group" (Culturally Deaf, Culturally Hearing, Bicultural, Implanted, Non-Implanted, physically hearing, physically deaf, etc.) is better than another. We're all DIFFERENT. I don't like being accused of being against implanted deaf people. I am not, nor have I ever been, a discriminator.
 
vp said:
THEY wanted to find out how it is to hear. Is that bad? To want to experience hearing? What would you say to an adolescent who wants to hear? Don't get a CI because sound is not important?

I'm actually surprised at the number of people I know who have privately confided in me that they would like implants. I'm talking about people who consider themselves Deaf, without a doubt; people who attend Gallaudet or RIT, use ASL, associate themselves mostly with other d/Deaf people. It's actually pretty surprising.
 
My apologies for giving you the wrong one earlier, Here is the right one

VP Thats for you. Thats what I m trying to point that out.

http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=27296 why does it have to be locked after all people here to swear or namecalling.. So is that fair for him to be punished while other ppl dont respect others like they did it to me?

Thanks! ;)
 
I find this is very interesting that they removed the url that I just gave u the right one.. NOw it s proven that they are hiding the fact of what audist attitude people did to trippla who admitted that he wants to remove his CI device. He got bashed for it over swearing words while they are no better than Trippla.. I find this is the most dishonest happens in here.

That is a very good example of audist attitude people who loves to stop d/Deaf children and teenagers or Deaf young adult 's true feelings to express.

** Shaking my head **
Sweetmind
 
I found out by coincidence and thought to myself that I would like to share this link with you all here.

Cochlear Implants - Reimplantation and Extrusion

Sometimes the Implant Has to Be Removed

It fortunately does not happen that often, but it does happen. Sometimes a newly implanted cochlear implant must be surgically removed. The implantee may get a new implant, or no new implant at all, depending on the reasons for the removal. One mother wrote to About and described what had happened to her child:

[Child] had to have cochlear removed because the incision would never heal properly. The implant itself was a success and [child] was able to hear. [Child and sibling] both had the CI done. After 2 weeks [sibling] had healed perfectly and [child] had yet to heal completely. When the troubled area would finally heal [child] would have problems in another spot. They tried plastic surgery twice, attempting to close the wound. Both times were unsuccessful and the doctors could not figure out why it wouldn't heal. Finally, when the wound became so bad that about 1/3 of the CI was actually exposed the only option we had was to have it removed. In the 13 months that [child] had the implant she had only been able to use it about 5 months. I do not regret having the surgery done because the pros outweighed the cons by far. Unfortunately it didn't work as we had hoped.


Why Reimplant a Cochlear Implant?

There are several reasons that a cochlear implant may have to be removed. Among them:

The skin flap can become infected.
The body can reject the implant (as happened with the child above)
The implant receiver can extrude.
The electrode array can get damaged or the electrodes were not put in right. Or the electrode array can migrate out of place.
The implant simply does not work right.

How Frequent Is Reimplantation?

According to CochlearImplant.org (a website about insurance and cochlear implants), "approximately two percent of all cochlear implant devices experience device failure" and have to be removed (explanted). All device failures must be reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

The FDA has a searchable online database, MAUDE, that lists cochlear implant device failures. A quick search on event type Malfunction turned up these results for reports submitted from 2001-2002 (by Dec. 31, 2002): Cochlear Nucleus 22: 249 records. Cochlear Nucleus 24: 227 records. Med-El Combi 40: 16 records. Advanced Bionics Clarion: 215 records.

Additional examples:

In a study of 10 implantees in Sweden, one had to have the implant removed due to infection.
In another study in Australia (Explantation and re-implantation in children and adults: the Melbourne experience, a presentation made at the 1999 Conference on Implantable Auditory Prostheses), it was noted that "4 percent of total surgeries [were] performed due to device failure."
In web searching, I came across several examples of adults and children whose implants had to be removed because of infection or device failure. Most were able to do well with new implants.

Additional Resources

The issues of reimplantation and extrusion have been addressed in a variety of published resources:

A book, J. Thomas Roland Jr., "Complications of Cochlear Implant Surgery".
An article, Cochlear reimplantation: surgical techniques and functional results, in Laryngoscope, vol 111, pp 1608-1613.
An article, " Outcome analysis of cochlear implant reimplantation in children, " in Laryngoscope, vol 111, pp. 26-32.
There is also a discussion list on problems with cochlear implants, ProblemCI.

Have you experienced extrusion or needed reimplantation? Was reimplantation successful? Submit your story for addition to this article and read others' submissions below.

"My son recently was reimplanted after the implant was found to be failing. We found out his implant was failing inthe anniverary month of him being implanted 3 years. He was able to progress even though his implant was failing. He was reimplanted and the difference is night and day. Within three weeks he has regained anything he lost when he wasn't hooked up and even gaining. The surgery was actually easier on him than the first time. He is so excited about having his implant back, functional."

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"I'm a congenitally deaf woman who received a cochlear implant six years ago. Although my CI was functioning fine, the receiver had extruded and migrated so that it was pressing uncomfortably against my earlobe. Two months ago, I had surgery to reposition this CI. Unfortunately, the electrode array slipped out of the cochlea into the middle ear during surgery. Also, it is quite possible that the device also failed. When I first turned on my speech processor after the incision had healed, I received painful electrical shocks instead of hearing sounds. I'm scheduled for another surgery to replace my CI with the latest CI model.

<DIV>I sure hope that this new CI will be successful because I would be really upset about going through the agony of another surgery and facing the disappointment of yet another CI failure."</DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>---</DIV><DIV>"My friend informed me that she cannot have her CI removed because it is 10 years old and too dangerous of a medical operation</DIV><DIV></DIV

DIV>(to have an implant removed). Does this mean she must live with the older CI technology? What about young adults whose parents made the decision to this technology implanted, were the parties informed that removing an implant 10 years later would be dangerous and not recommended by the medical profession? How many thousands of children are trapped living with older generation technology in thier heads that is extremely dangerous to remove due to nerve growth around the implant? My friend was very saddened when she learned that at her present age, her doctor's were strongly against replacing her older CI with a newer CI due to the high probability of threat to her health and well being. She is trapped with a hole in the side of her head and aging technology. This says nothing about the psychological scares she must live with. Where is the medical research on the long term negative impacts of this technology? Children and parents must have informed choice...the good, the bad and the ugly facts... "</DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>---</DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>"I have a 7 yr old boy who progressively lost hearing until deafened at age 4 years. He was implanted with Nucleus 24 via surgical "C-cut" on scalp. Shortly after surgery, incision became infected. Antiobitics appeared to clear it up. Had trouble with chronic scalp swelling over internal device for one year. The device became exposed. Had surgery to try to repair. Swelling problem continued. Culture revealed methicillan resistant staph aureous (MRSA) infection which is usually contracted in hospitals. CI was explanted.</DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>A month later another CI was implanted on opposite side of head. Then after another year, the original side of head was reimplanted. There have been no problems with the last 2 implants. My strong advise to anyone with a CI or ear infection is to INSIST on a pre-antibiotic regimen culture. Had I known this, I could have saved alot of hearing time for my boy. At present date, he has worn the 2nd implant for 1 1/2 years and the 3rd (bilatteral) implant for 5 months. He was still pretty much pre-lingual at the time of the 2nd implantation. It seemed as if he had to start over almost from scratch with receptive/expressive speech. Progress started showing up after 1 year of the second implant."</DIV

http://deafness.about.com/cs/cochlearfeatures/a/reimplantation.htm
 
Whoopppeeee dooo Many of you dont have any respect for me and my topic post that I dont really want to make a big scene about CI into my topic post that is not related to CI if you mind.. TOOO PUSHING and BUNCH of lies all along that I can see .. Anyway Many thanks for your true colors.

Audism people are intending to take over Deaf s outpoken and my showing is the evidence that we all cannot hear everything with those devices.. All you care for orally speaking to be perfect for hearing s sake whlle you dont have any respect for those Deaf children s Education needs. No remorse feelings for those Deaf children with or without HA or CI devices.

Thats deaf oralisms are so blind and take granted by those evil CI Corporation. All they do care is $$$$$$ and dont care about you deafies. :bowdown: for hearing people s sake and make them more easier than Deaf chlidren to make it harder from audist attitude people Wow, what a very selfish and very unthoughtful!

It s real screwing up there are so many Teachers do not learn ASL while they couldnt understand them from the beginning.. YEECCHH! I cannot believe you allowed this happens to destory our d/Deaf children s Education needs that comes first.

Somebody who is hearing and laughed at you while they crueled at me all along.. Is that something?? ;)

Now I can see why you dont want Deaf people tell the truth because it has happens from the past year that is still exist in today's . Thank you!

Many thanks! ;)
Sweetmind
 
Sweetmind said:
I find this is very interesting that they removed the url that I just gave u the right one.. NOw it s proven that they are hiding the fact of what audist attitude people did to trippla who admitted that he wants to remove his CI device. He got bashed for it over swearing words while they are no better than Trippla.. I find this is the most dishonest happens in here.

That is a very good example of audist attitude people who loves to stop d/Deaf children and teenagers or Deaf young adult 's true feelings to express.

** Shaking my head **
Sweetmind

Sweetmind, I find your post a little worrying. I don't think the Alldeaf admin are part of an audist plot to get at Trippla and anyone who doesn't want a CI.

Also Trippla is considering a newer implant as one of his options, I think you must have missed that thread here. . We don't mind what he does either way. It's his choice.
 
Sweetmind said:
Whoopppeeee dooo Many of you dont have any respect for me and my topic post that I dont really want to make a big scene about CI into my topic post that is not related to CI if you mind.. TOOO PUSHING and BUNCH of lies all along that I can see .. Anyway Many thanks for your true colors.

Audism people are intending to take over Deaf s outpoken and show the evidence that we all cannot hear everything with those devices.. All you care for orally speaking to be perfect for hearing s sake whlle you dont have any respect for those Deaf children s Education needs. No remorse feelings for those Deaf children with or without HA or CI devices.

Thats deaf oralism are so blind and take granted by those evil CI Corporation. All they do care is $$$$$$ and dont care about you deafies. :bowdown: for hearing people s sake and make them easier than Deaf chlidren.. Wow, what a very selfish and very unthoughtful!

Now you can see why you dont want Deaf people tell the truth. Thank you! sighs!
Though we'll probably get flamed for this, I agree with her. It is all about money and corporate greed. :ugh:
 
You can see trippla is very confused from the start after all you audism people bashed him /her up before he/she have his chance.. You all did not give him/her a chance.

He/She is young deaf male/female and need to learn how to deal with audism people s reaction. Give him/her a break! I dont need to look at other url after all it was locked but doesnt have to be removed if you mind.

Thank you! ;)
Sweetmind
 
Sweetmind said:
You can see trippla is very confused from the start after all you audism people bashed him /her up before he/she have his chance.. You all did not give him/her a chance.

He/She is young deaf male/female and need to learn how to deal with audism people s reaction. Give him/her a break! I dont need to look at other url after all it was locked but doesnt have to be removed if you mind.

Thank you! ;)
Sweetmind

Right.....okay. :dunno:
 
:confused: Okkkaaayyy! I thought this link, I provided would interesting you all because of Trippla. I thought this link would help Trippla because he consider to remove CI becasue he's unhappy to wear CI...

Is this link, I provided is wrong or what?
 
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