EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device

[gnulinuxman]

The emphasis in your statement is on "to me".

That's fine we disagree. I believe I need one, so I'm getting one and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. That's the beauty of our diverse society.

That's EXACTLY why I added those key words--it is my opinion and the opinion of my Deaf friends.

 

[Sweetmind]

Let me add this- what hurt you most is that your family, for whatever reasons, did not feel you are important enough to justify learning ASL on their part for just YOU.

Is that necessary for you to make a big emphasis on my family to look like they didnt care for me as a deaf child? How selfish are you? You are giving me an impression that I must be a Hearing child. No matter what! SCoffs! YOU DONT EVEN GIVE A HOOT about d/Deaf children 's need to have the strong love bond and communication so much that I dont want them to have negative feelings about their own family or Hearing people anymore. Or have the d/Deaf's limitation of their own freedom expression feelings that is not the same expression their true feelings in a spoken language as ASL. It is very important to feel comfortable to communiciate with people or else it wont work this way.

EX: Deaf school in Washington School f/t Deaf and North Carolina School f/t Deaf that many hearing people who work with those d/Deaf children that doesnt sign at all or a very little understanding in SL. YOU dont care for those d/Deaf children s need to have ASL so that way they can express and tell the truth of what happened to them. You expected them to use the oral speaking. OH PLEASE!!! That 's very selfish and child abuse for not letting them have ASL. IT s not about you because those children were dying to communicate but they are afraid to tell or know there is no use for them to listen d/Deaf children as usual. You cannot expect them to use oral method only or devices only that is when it s a big mistake to force or conform them in the first place for many years. Why doesnt it have the change of Attitude completely yet toward Deaf people yet?

The reason is that hearing people cannot able to communicate with them very well, according that they are working with d/Deaf children. OH please!!! So dont blame on d/Deaf children or me as a d/Deaf child because I feel that teachers, staffs or hearing parents are the responsibility to communicate with their kids if you dont mind. It s more of control and power to tell us what to do in their own hearing ways without having an opportunity to speak out for themselves.. Thats what they want all those years to keep our mouths shut for years and years.. UNTIL i have a chance to speak it out in DEAFNOTES that I am very grateful that I have a chance to tell the true story what happens to these d/Deaf children. Thank goodness to have the internet because no one stops me from speaking freely.

I did taking my responsibility to teach my two hearing children ASL. I have watched everything how they processed to learn with their own visual eyes first before speak. It works so well for them to understand the concept of langauge before English language. I am proud of what I had accomplished for my hearing children 's best interest and given them to accomplish their own reading and creation of writing that they read the books at 3 years old on their own. I am d/Deaf mother and Grandmother who knows the best, too so therefore I was a deaf child as well as I know what it s alike to be deaf not just Hearing parents who are ignorant and dont know what it s alike to be deaf.

Ears does not think but Brain does.

It s not d/Deaf children only but there are many many d/Deaf disabilities like Mental Illness, CP, mentally challenged who are Highly functional, d/Deaf blind, former HA and CI people and many more than just you and your follower of audist attitude. They have the right to be with us anytime instead of cutting them off. Thats cruel and selfish to leave or push them out of Deaf community after all they tried to take over Deaf community by audist attitude people. They dont care. If you dont like Deaf community then why are you here? It doesnt make any sense Deaf oralism have too much negative view on deafness so therefore it shows me that they are brainwashing and thinks they are better than ASL users. For your info, they are actually better than you and your audist attitude followers. They showed their accomplishments that many audist attitude doesn t have that kind of gifted tools from the start.

Why should we split up each other after all ASL is the one answer for all of us at once so they have their equal communication as hearing people. So I HAVE TO and MUST think of many kinds of d/Deaf people who couldnt speak or hear that is still alive out there. I have a big heart for their importance needs that d/Deaf people should be with us all along not leave them out there that leave them isolates or stop them from learning more new things from d/Deafies like me. It s very very reasonable to have ASL no matter what you think. NO MORE all kind of DEAF CHILDREN ABUSE. I have nothing to be ashamed of myself to be with them all along. DEAF children and people are human beings as always. Why cant you treat them equal or letting them have an equal communication in ASL?

My family was told by audists that I must speak not sign that s when they think that I will lose my oral speaking or will not to learn how to speak with or without HA.. THAT' S A BIG LIE from an audist attitude professional!! There are some ASLers who is totally deaf and can speak good or cant speak so what is your point?

Aslers did a good job with hearing people as I can see how amazing they are way better at communicating with hearing people than me as and many deaf oralists. Thats when it hits me so hard and make me envy their own adaptations. Also I was kinda embarrassed that Aslers proved to me by natural way of their own adaptation in my own eye witness as it s more natural for them to deal or handle people in their natural instinct. You have not seen that is too bad for you. I respect them more than Deaf oralists and Hearing people with a very negative audist attitude. Also they were from a hearing family and have so much confidence in themselves for being deaf without having orally speaking.

Wow it s so amazing to see how they live as a Deaf person with ASL that they couldnt speak and cant help it. You cannot make them to speak even though u knew it s impossible but why bother to force them to speak or hear. It doesnt make any sense to look down on them while they are actually much better than me as a deaf oralist. I do really find this is odd strange that people with audist attitude treats me very disrespectful for being failed by oral method and hear only because I did not have my own adaptations or a true identity..No one have the right to destroy many d/Deaf children's true identity and ASL that will help them completely. Thats where I saw the most positive reinforcement of ASL and Deaf people with no orally speaking that couldnt hear or hear a very little with HA that works for them to mingle or communicate with them in different way around than just having a orally speaking itself only. Also they have a very beautifully English written that realized that they are capable to write so well after all they do not hear or orally speaking.. Thats the best view I ever saw in my whole life and it changed my mind about having oral speaking only that does not always work around with hearing people 100 percent. The reason is that ASL is the one who does everything for all of us with no doubt. Every day ASL is around us that you dont even see or refused to see the truth.

People do not realize it since they were focusing to hear and depending on it without using their eyes that is not enough of an answer to solve the problem from the barrier of communication. Thats why we are so intelligent what s around us and can read people s body language before they say a word.

I am not belittling the way you experience music, I think it's wonderful you could feel it the way you did, of course that can be good enough.
but truth is there is more than vibrations of drums at POW WOW. They were probaly singing too, and more but you might have missed that.
I know what I am talking about because I can hear huge difference with and without my HAs while listening to music. Trust me- this is HUGE difference with HAs on and off.

I learned that each dance has a specific message and even hearies don't understand the Native American languages!.... No difference because it s gibberish for us all except Native Americans.. That 's very good reason that we couldnt hear with devices even we might or might not hear the sounds. Trust me this is NOT a huge difference with HA/CI and Hearing 's abilities to hear. You re advocating oral method rules that I dont agree with.

How could I understand their native american s native language and spoken language that we ll never understand to hear in their own spoken language. You are expecting too much from a deaf person to hear everything. thats why i posted this article to prove that we do not hear very well with HA or CI that is no difference. Most of us do not understand the music because there are many sounds in it that we couldnt pick up or where it s coming from and focus on one thing at a time. Hearing people can but not always tho. Dont tell me that i dont know nothing about being with or with out a HA I have experienced both ways.

Now d/Deaf Native Americans are very successful with ASL and have a high standard of education after all their hearing parents do not sign or communicate with them very well.

When I wrote about some child who may need CI I meant hypothetically profundly deaf child whose only chance at any hearing is CI, and if suppose you, Sweetmind, have convinced its parents NOT to implant that chance for ever hearing, even if just a bit, would be lost forever.
And then how would you feel if that child as grown up would cry and cry why did his parents did not take the chance for CI when it was time? YOu dont get it after all d/Deaf children are not capable to hear like what this latened deaf lady mentioned that she dont understand what they are saying sometimes..

It s proven that you have no right to force them to hear like a hearing person or compare between d/Deaf children and latened deaf or former hearing in early age like after ten years old all those years that is very wrongdoing and give ppl the wrong impression that CI is a miracle and cure our deafness that doesnt go anywhere to fix. Once you become deaf so that is that. End of the story. Doctor doesnt know everything that I couldnt trust them with all that kind of negative view of our deafness and audist attitude. That is a real evil thing to destroy those d/Deaf children.

AND also, it s proven that also it doesnt make a sense for CIers to have sign langage at first place.. why are they still using it after all they need an interpreter in meetings or anywhere that they wlll not hear what they are saying even with CI .. that 's my point so therefore it s the same concept between HA and CI that is no difference.. You are not gonna to fool me because I know what it s like to hear the sounds or pick up few words that I was programming into my brain system that doesnt mean it s all of sudden that I can hear from now on after you learned how to listen. IT IS NOT THE SAME as( a hearing person) all those years that is very annoying as usual if you mind.

For your info, I wore HA for many years until six years ago so dont tell me that I dont know nothing about it.



Just LISTEN.... DON'T LECTURE US about being or must be a hearing person..... WE KNOW THE DEAF REALITY that our d/Deaf 's messages need to be heard about what's going on in this society that has not changed a bit yet.....ASL, a true language that I strongly support. This is a language that from another language became just that, a language all it's own. It is still opression and discrimination toward us. That will be hard to overcome. There is always resistance to change, especially if that change is not understood by the population at large. The SOLUTION must be to solve the problem for all Deaf people/Deaf community by our own power and control to educate them not by hearing people with very negative audist attitude ... and future generations.

Let's have our rights to have the Deaf spirit being alive and stronger. We need to be satisfied with ourselves and take pride in who we are - even if there are some who see the DIS and not the ABILITY.

Just a thought that you might like to read these books..
Deaf Artists in America
Colonial to Contemporary
author DeborahM. Sonnenstrahl


Thank you!
Sweetmind

 

[Sweetmind]

And also, I like to let you know that I was grown up with all kind of artificial languages that they kept changing too much. I wasnt really understand the concept of language from the start. Thats the whole point that I was angry and frustrated.

It's the attitude in society that deafness is not acceptable - this leads to CIs. That is how my eyes tell me everything that turns me off in a big time. Now you can see why I am angry and frustrated with you guys in a very negative view of deafness and think of hearing people that is the best s choice to make. Scoffs! What makes you think I am happy with their audist attitude people who is very degraded toward d/Deaf children 's true expression feelings and identity.

Thank you!
Sweetmind

 

[neecy]

And also, I like to let you know that I was grown up with all kind of artificial languages that they kept changing too much. I wasnt really understand the concept of language from the start. Thats the whole point that I was angry and frustrated.

It's the attitude in society that deafness is not acceptable - this leads to CIs. That is how my eyes tell me everything that turns me off in a big time. Now you can see why I am angry and frustrated with you guys in a very negative view of deafness and think of hearing people that is the best s choice to make. Scoffs! What makes you think I am happy with their audist attitude people who is very degraded toward d/Deaf children 's true expression feelings and identity.

Thank you!
Sweetmind

alright yo'uve told us time and time again you can't abide with the concept of children implanted with CI's.

you've thrown the "audist" bit left and right

Now,

Would you mind telling me what you think of ADULTS who make the *choice* to get implanted, and how that is "denying their deafness" (which as far I as I have seen, nobody does) and how its hurting the deaf community and ASL? Lets get away from the children theme - its obvious we'll never agree to disagree there.

But,

I'm sure you CAN agree that adults who do reasearch, consult with surgeions and audiologists and make educated decisions have the right to do as they please, and that if they find the CI helps them communicate better, live a happier and more fulfilling life - thats a *GOOD THING*

isn't it?

 

[Cloggy]

Well, again one of those long posts that I need to print out in order to get through......

..... You are giving me an impression that I must be a Hearing child. No matter what! SCoffs!

...No, the impression that being a deaf child you were not acknoledged.....

.......... UNTIL i have a chance to speak it out in DEAFNOTES that I am very grateful that I have a chance to tell the true story what happens to these d/Deaf children. Thank goodness to have the internet because no one stops me from speaking freely.

...We are grateful for your story. It's that you do not listen that worries people.....

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I did taking my responsibility to teach my two hearing children ASL.

...As said before, children will learn all the languages that are used in the house......

........ too so therefore I was a deaf child as well as I know what it s alike to be deaf not just Hearing parents who are ignorant and dont know what it s alike to be deaf.

...In the way some deaf people don't know what it's like to hear.....

Ears does not think but Brain does.

...I allway's liked that quote. Everytime you used it......

....Why should we split up each other after all ASL is the one answer for all of us at once so they have their equal communication as hearing people. So I HAVE TO and MUST think of many kinds of d/Deaf people who couldnt speak or hear that is still alive out there.

...First, ASl is not the ONE answer. it's one of the answers like many on this messageboard have been telling you.
Also, When only ASL is used.... how can there then be equal communication with hearing that do not speak that language. I don't speak chinese. How can there be equal communication between me and a person that only speaks chinese?.....

.....My family was told by audists that I must speak not sign that s when they think that I will lose my oral speaking or will not to learn how to speak with or without HA.. THAT' S A BIG LIE from an audist attitude professional!! There are some ASLers who is totally deaf and can speak good or cant speak so what is your point?

... Being able to speak does not mean you cannot use ASL. Both are valuable communication tools and in your case you got one from your parents (even though you don't like it) and one you gave yourself. As someone allready said... a wonderful gift......

..... Every day ASL is around us that you dont even see or refused to see the truth....

...When using ASL only you are cutting yourself off from the rest of the word. Sure it's cozy in the ASL-world, just like it's cozy in Chinatown... but it restricts you from the rest of the world......

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People do not realize it since they were focusing to hear and depending on it without using their eyes that is not enough of an answer to solve the problem from the barrier of communication. Thats why we are so intelligent what s around us and can read people s body language before they say a word...

...That is very helpful. So is talking around corners, talking with a bog box in your hand etc. So, having both communication skills will give you the best of two worlds......

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I learned that each dance has a specific message and even hearies don't understand the Native American languages!.... No difference because it s gibberish for us all except Native Americans.. That 's very good reason that we couldnt hear with devices even we might or might not hear the sounds.

...Even without understanding there's a lot to hear in the songs. Feelings etc. Don't assume that because the language cannot be understood, that there's no message......

Trust me this is NOT a huge difference with HA/CI and Hearing 's abilities to hear. You re advocating oral method rules that I dont agree with.

...About that, I don't trust you. There's a huge difference between hearing with HA, hearing with CI and straightforward hearing.! You have never heared. How can you make a statement like that. (I have never been HOH, but from reading this messageboard I can make that statement.).....

.... You are expecting too much from a deaf person to hear everything.....

...Now, that would be a hearing person. Deaf.... cannot hear everything.....

..... Dont tell me that i dont know nothing about being with or with out a HA I have experienced both ways....

...But you have never heared or wore CI. Some people here do have that experience. It's time to learn from their experiences......

..................

Have to stop here... Duty calls

 

[Sweetmind]

Wow! Somebody doesnt get it and refused the see the whole point.

No wonder many of audist attitude people are being so prejudiced against Mr. Matthew Moore (Deaf), Sweetmind (d/Deaf), CSN (d/D blind and latened deaf), and and many others. Oh well, thats their loss. That s very narrowmind and self centered as ME ME ME. They think CI is the one answer that has not solved the problem and has a lot of damage on d/Deaf children in todays society that you refused to see the truth. All they care is $$$$$$$$ that is the purpose in this society.

Thats for hearing people who lost their hearing in their latened deaf that can take the risk if they want CI.. Thats fine with me but not those d/Deaf children. So be it! I do not believe many d/Deaf children couldnt hear with Hearing aid devices at all.. Because I can hear the bird singing at night time when everything is so calm and quiet. Thanks! So be it!

I do not believe every d/Deaf child deserve to be isolated or cannot be mingle with other d/Deaf children with all kind of disabilties not just deafness itself. Thats very cruel audist attitude.

You refused to understand or accept the way I am. *258* in ASL

Okay English is not the one language in America so what is your point?? jeez!

 

[gnulinuxman]

How about ASL and written English? Deaf people can write back and forth. I have one deaf friend who does this with most hearing people, but not with me because I don't need to. It works well for him. He doesn't need to do any jaw-flapping--paper works just fine. (Of course, I have signed conversations with him.)

Just another thought

 

[Cloggy]

............ Okay English is not the one language in America so what is your point?? jeez..........

ASL is not the only language in America. Why should people learn sign for you but not chinese for a chinese person?

............ *258* in ASL ..........

Not familiar with *258* in ASL ...

Can you explain?

 

[Boult]

258 = very interesting

2 = very
5 = open palm touching chest
8 = hand in "8" pulling away from chest.

 

[gnulinuxman]

ASL is not the only language in America. Why should people learn sign for you but not chinese for a chinese person?

Because ASL is the American Sign Language, and she is American and lives in the USA, so, it makes sense. ASL is a domestic language geographically, but Chinese isn't. A Chinese person coming here should know the national language of English and/or ASL.

 

[Cloggy]

258 = very interesting

2 = very
5 = open palm touching chest
8 = hand in "8" pulling away from chest.

Thanks for the info.

Actually found some info here with video!

 

[Cloggy]

Because ASL is the American Sign Language, and she is American and lives in the USA, so, it makes sense. ASL is a domestic language geographically, but Chinese isn't. A Chinese person coming here should know the national language of English and/or ASL.

Dan,
A chinese person doesn't have to know. living in chinatown he/she can continue in chinese. But then there is a communication-problem with the rest of USA.
The same for ASL. Sure, it's excellent to use it, beautiful. But when you constrain yourself to ASL, you cannot communicate with many others, except via writing. So, when you choose ASL, you shouldn't complain that other people should be able to use it as well, that they should adapt. Like you sort of said, the chinese person should know that the main language is English.

And Dan,
if you continue about "domestic language". Substitude "Chinese" for "cherokee". I'm using it as an example.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

My hearing daughters learned ASL since four/six months old and are very successful with their written English . They have very good receptive eyes and they can understand when d/Deaf people use ASL. So what are you talking about?

They are successful with written English because they are also hearing. Since their birth they not only learned ASL but they heard heard heard any sound that was available to them.

Maybe your family helped you take care of them or just visited them and if I remember correctly they do not sign, so they have to speak.

I am kinda sure when they were babies you took them to the park, some pple came up and speak to them "cootchie cootchie coo and goo goo ga ga " a typical baby talk, and that is hearing language. then as they grew older they could heard pple nearby speak, they could talk with other kids, and before they turned 3 they actually developed two languages ASL and oral.

Is that necessary for you to make a big emphasis on my family to look like they didnt care for me as a deaf child? How selfish are you? You are giving me an impression that I must be a Hearing child.

I've got an impression you were the deaf one in your hearing family. Was I wrong? and judging by your behaviour- because your family tried to raise you as hearing person which obviously has caused you emotional trauma, it shaped your today's feelings and opinions on deafness and mainly on commucative ways for deaf children. I just made an objective observation- from a bystander point of view. How is that being selfish on my part? I am afraid you hardly understand what I am saying.

YOU DONT EVEN GIVE A HOOT about d/Deaf children 's need to have the strong love bond and communication so much that I dont want them to have negative feelings about their own family or Hearing people anymore.

Oh no I do give a hoot, I did wrote many times I feel deaf children should be taught both ASL and hearing English, and most of all loved for what they are,

but you refuse to see that or you do not understand me.
BTW this is exactly how I know it was your faimly attitude that made an impact on your own attitude:

I dont want them to have negative feelings about their own family or Hearing people anymore

You don't want them to go thru what YOU WENT THRU, right?

I learned that each dance has a specific message and even hearies don't understand the Native American languages!.... No difference because it s gibberish for us all except Native Americans..

That is true most pple who are not Native they don't understand their language but it doesn't matter much. You still can enjoy someone's voice, you enjoy the rythm of a song, and sometimes they are songs that don't really have a words but are just sort of waaAAaa- waaAAAaaa- vocalization and for this you certainly don't need to know any langauge. This is what you miss when you can't hear. And what you can hear if you have CI.


Also I am not saying go and get CI because of music. I am just saying yes CI would help you hear music better. It is just a fact.

I can understand both ways ASL and English written so what is your problem

OK so tell me - what do you think - which is better- to be able to understand just ASL, or ASL and English written?

me bathroom (ASL) which means that I gotta go bathroom. Teacher said go which means let the kid go to the restroom. Thats so simple that includes body language and facial expression that fits together.

yep that's beautiful, except for when they happen to be in hearing only enviroment and start talking like that -the hearies will be like ????huh... ?? and then of course hearies will be accused of being intolerant and abusive to deaf pple.

Come on!! This is predominantly HEARING world. The deaf pple need to learn other English as well.
hearing pple who never had any contact with deafs -how they are supposed to know what are their communicative needs?
Suppose I have Tourette's syndrome- DON'T look it up now! what would you do with me if I got an episode? would you know how to behave? now you can look it up.. please do.

This is two way street, Sweetie. Yes it is sad that hearing pple don't need ASL but deaf pple need both- ASL and written English.
When hearing pple have other disabilities then they too have their own problems to deal with while functioning in able world.


Fuzzy

 

[Boult]

They are successful with written English because they are also hearing. Since their birth they not only learned ASL but they heard heard heard any sound that was available to them.

Don't forget preschool, grade school and all. they learned asl from mother.

 

[sr171soars]

And also, I like to let you know that I was grown up with all kind of artificial languages that they kept changing too much. I wasnt really understand the concept of language from the start. Thats the whole point that I was angry and frustrated.
...
Sweetmind

Er...what do you mean by an artificial language? Just curious...

 

[neecy]

I'd still like to know if she read my post above, and will reply instead of just hurling another "audist" accusation...

 

[Sweetmind]

wow I couldnt believe you dont read it carefully. I wont answer your question anymore because you simply dont read it. That shows me you have a reading problem.

Audist attitude do have a real problem with me that you refused to accept the fact of what s a real happening out there in this society that I m thinking of many d/Deaf children, d/Deaf children with multiplies disabilities and others first. Perfect example of term DENIALS.

My daughters is CODA if you dont mind.. Many CODA are very good with ASL from d/Deaf parents who supports ASL so what is your point?? Now it s proven they are actually bashing me and making up an excuses from the audist attitude people who thinks they know it all. I am wrong wrong about ASLers people who write a beautifully english written that you refused to accept there are many intelligent ASlers out there.

Thank you so much for showing the huge behaviors toward me.. I am so happy that it shows the fact of audist attitude people s behavior patterns that has been carrying on and on for years and years that you learned or got influence from them. I m so glad I am not alike you because I care and want to share many people to make the difference to change into a positive reinforcement. I want d/Deaf children's respect back and they deserve it.

I m free like a freedom bird. Truth came out now that I have always want it for a long time. I am glad I made the difference for those d/Deaf children 's sake.

Hey audist attitude people I am very sorry that I didnt make you happy after all they didnt make me happy deaf chlidhood. Now I 'm much happier that I can tell and share the whole world for what they have done to our d/Deaf children from the past years and todays world. It doesnt have hurting those kids because you want them to be a hearing child so they can be normal.. Whoppeeee ddooooo.. Oh please!

Have a wonderful day!

Sweetmind

 

[Sweetmind]

Also I like to fix my mistake .

Ears do not think but Brain does. I dont know why I love an S all the time.. LOL

 

[gnulinuxman]

Er...what do you mean by an artificial language? Just curious...

The definition of "artificial language", from Wikipedia:

An artificial or constructed language [...] is a language whose phonology, grammar and vocabulary are specifically devised by an individual or small group, rather than having naturally evolved as part of a culture the way natural languages do. Some are designed for use in human communication (usually to function as international auxiliary languages), but others are created for use in fiction, linguistic experimentation, secrecy (codes), or for the experience of doing so (artistic languages, language games). These languages are sometimes associated with constructed worlds.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_language

In other words, Sweetmind is saying that SEE1 and SEE2 were invented instead of evolving naturally. ASL, for example, evolves naturally by its users. There is no single person who invented it. By contrast, SEE1 and SEE2 were invented mainly for classroom use.

 

[gnulinuxman]

[...] Ears do not think but Brain does. I dont know why I love an S all the time.. LOL

Hooray for Deaf Culture!