Not what I mean, we have brutal killers from gangs up in North California prison and they still order execute murders thru mails to their gang memebers around here. They contiune order killing from inside prison to outsiders. This is what I am trying to say. Even we pay alot of money to keep them separate from us but it does not work. Many time I put mails in the mailbox with pencil drawing right front of letters. They were addressed from state prisons. I can not do anything because it is their rights to write mails to those addresses. Prison guards need to read them before they send them out but there is secret code hidden in the mails and I do not think they caught those secret codes enough. Life sentences for those killers suck, they will never have a golden heart.
Europe Calls on World to Abolish Death Penalty
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Not what I mean, we have brutal killers from gangs up in North California prison and they still order execute murders thru mails to their gang memebers around here. They contiune order killing from inside prison to outsiders. This is what I am trying to say. Even we pay alot of money to keep them separate from us but it does not work. Many time I put mails in the mailbox with pencil drawing right front of letters. They were addressed from state prisons. I can not do anything because it is their rights to write mails to those addresses. Prison guards need to read them before they send them out but there is secret code hidden in the mails and I do not think they caught those secret codes enough. Life sentences for those killers suck, they will never have a golden heart.
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for fresh my memory about those movie. I saw that movie in England at long time ago. It's disturing and extreme movie... That movie is being withdraw or banned... Many said that it's too extreme... and has no idea why the producer did it...? It could be that he want to show you how volience is but it's still not allow in Europe countries. I will check either German do have one or not because many DVD and VHS are being restriction or banned.
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Ah, European Day Against the Death Penalty. Yeah, European Day Against the Death Penalty vetoed a month later! Thanks to Poland. Poles President tried to reintroduce the death penalty a year before the European Day Against the Death Penalty event. The Council of Europe chose to ignore Poland's veto to hold the European Day Against the Death Penalty event. Last year, I read some of the comments under Spanish and German articles regarding the European Day against the Death Penalty that said the sponsored event was "pointless" and "what a waste of money." Priceless.
And Poles President Kaczynski did not celebrate it. He had the balls to tell the EU of his opinion on the death penalty. President Kaczynski is a bit strange dude. Death penalty continues to be popular among Poland, the only EU member. According to BBC, the Poles do accuse the EU of promoting abortion, destructive lifestyles and euthanasia. Okay......
Terry Davis, Council of Europe Secretary General said,"We know that there are many people in Europe who continue to support the death penalty... We need to go out and explain to people why the death penalty is wrong." Not all Europeans are against the death penalty. Even my Spanish and German relatives favor the death penalty for extreme circumstances and child molesters. I know several European friends who favor it as well. Unfortunately, some Europeans are not satisfied with the EU. The EU will always be a group of nations that don't agree with each other on everything.
Before they executed Saddam Hussein, I read the article on Spiegel online that depicts almost half of the European population favored the death penalty for Saddam Hussein. I can post an article, but it is in German. However, I don't like Spiegel online, because it is considered bias and is a German version of TIME or Newsweek.
And Poles President Kaczynski did not celebrate it. He had the balls to tell the EU of his opinion on the death penalty. President Kaczynski is a bit strange dude. Death penalty continues to be popular among Poland, the only EU member. According to BBC, the Poles do accuse the EU of promoting abortion, destructive lifestyles and euthanasia. Okay......
Terry Davis, Council of Europe Secretary General said,"We know that there are many people in Europe who continue to support the death penalty... We need to go out and explain to people why the death penalty is wrong." Not all Europeans are against the death penalty. Even my Spanish and German relatives favor the death penalty for extreme circumstances and child molesters. I know several European friends who favor it as well. Unfortunately, some Europeans are not satisfied with the EU. The EU will always be a group of nations that don't agree with each other on everything.
Before they executed Saddam Hussein, I read the article on Spiegel online that depicts almost half of the European population favored the death penalty for Saddam Hussein. I can post an article, but it is in German. However, I don't like Spiegel online, because it is considered bias and is a German version of TIME or Newsweek.
Killing people off because there are too many is simply not an option, no matter who they are.
Unless you would be willing to volunteer to die so someone else can eat, should there be a serious population crisis....
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If it's ok to kill criminals like that, homeless will be next. Then disabled people. After that, it will be the poor, then it will be people who have 'insignificant' physical differences (like.. missing a hand.. or hard of hearing..)... so on and so forth.
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I already told you that we put animals down to sleep. So yes that includes murderers who committed heinous crimes - they are vicious animals and should be fried on chair. Killing out of jealousy or in some brawl does not qualify for death penalty.
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that's not gonna happen unless you want Adolf Hilter again. I'm sure perhaps 20-40% of criminal populations are deemed dangerous for public. KILL'EM ALL!
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But that makes no sense at all.... media is the same in any format - tv, radio, newspaper, etc - they lie, twisted the facts, show some bias, or expose truth. Don't you consider that tv media does make it up as well? Maybe you should pick carefully what you read - try NY Times? or maybe Washington Post? just for example.... I don't know the equivalent for Europe.
Nobody should ask the civilians for their opinions over death penalty. That's not their jobs. Their job is to elect the officials to handle it for them.
But animals aren't put to sleep because they have less value or something... (or shouldn't be...) it's because they don't understand like humans do.
Whether they are dangerous, or sick, they cannot rationalize why... they just try to survive in spite of everything.
Also, I feel justice out of malice or vigilantism is wrong. It is not about how you feel personally about a crime, it is about what the person actually did.
Death may or may not be appropriate in some cases, but it should be weighed against the crime, not the feeling that the offender is a 'vicious animal' (even if they are).
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That's too easy to decide if this person is dangerous or not. Did you not read that news about 19-hours torture/rape? Executing that twisted man is not out of malice or vigilantism. It's a rightful justice served to keep the public safe from him and others like him. I fail to understand people's illogical reason to keep the dangerous men in prison for life when there is a chance of escape or legal loophole or pardoned by Governor/President.
That's too easy to decide if this person is dangerous or not. Did you not read that news about 19-hours torture/rape? Executing that twisted man is not out of malice or vigilantism. It's a rightful justice served to keep the public safe from him and others like him. I fail to understand people's illogical reason to keep the dangerous men in prison for life when there is a chance of escape or legal loophole or pardoned by Governor/President.
If it is not within the law to put him to death, then he must not be put to death, otherwise that makes law pretty useless, if he were.
If you want the death penalty for something like that, then you will have to go through some politics, and I don't think "KILL EM ALL" is going to cut it.
And a lot of stuff I saw there sure sounded like malice, to me.
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If there is prison overpopulation, then what do you propose? it's most likely over-populated by petty drug crimes like possession of small amount of marijuana. It'd make sense to reduce the penalty of marijuana to misdemeanor charge. But as for portion of prison population who are sentenced to prison for life due to their heinous crimes, the country should reinstated death penalty for it. If not..... oh well not my problem. At least in my country (but not my state) - we execute animals.
"Your" country is mine too, by the way.
As I said, it must be based on the crime. Not on "animals", or over population.
Also, there are a whole slew of things that could be done to reduce prison population.
Minor offenses do not belong in prison. "White collar", non violent criminals, do not belong in prison.
It is also our justice system, and the prison system itself, habitual criminals, and creating a whole 'criminal culture'.
Prison gangs need to be stopped.
Criminal fraternizing in prisons needs to be stopped.
Glorifying criminals in the news needs to be stopped.
I could go on for a while... but my head is a bit wonky, at the moment.
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I only pick original is TV news and world news - like they interview the people from different countries for their opinion and film original, etc... and I accept and listen their political talk on TV... because I know their nothing but just talk... I am interesting to focus our people from the world what they think of... I only read right newspapers. It depend on my knowledge/judgement either they are true or not...
Spiegel is a political newspaper but I am not really interesting...
Exactly, nobody asks the civilians for their opinions over death penalty unless there're public protests... Nobody protest for want death penalty...
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But there is no "right" newspaper. It's only right for you if you agree with its political view. TV news is not exactly a great source of info because they interview only certain people that they agree with. TV news is also a very powerful tool to greatly influence and shape public's opinion - remember? A picture is worth thousand words. TV news is the easiest way to spread propaganda and to gain a massive, same public opinion quickly. That's why I don't watch tv much. I probably watch about 2 hrs per week... can't miss Hell's Kitchen! There are so few shows that are worthy to watch like... Barbara Walters - great quality work.
What TV news do you watch? I like reading BBC news.
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Oh yes, I forget to add one more...
In England, around 1980s, I was there as Yorkshire Ripper was arrested... British were furious and want him dead in first place... (British Death penalty was banned in 1960s after last executed Ruth Ellis) Did you heard about her? Google-Ergebnis für http://www.celebritywonder.com/img/movieposter/tn/1984_Dance_With_a_Stranger.jpg
Anyway, they protested for want death penatly back because of Yorkshire Ripper Peter Sutcliffe until political, people and medias influence cons/pros about death penalty and remind us about innocent history. Government agreed to let us vote Yes or No to death penalty... We decided and give political, people and medias right about innocent history and voted NO. High voted NO than YES.
In England, around 1980s, I was there as Yorkshire Ripper was arrested... British were furious and want him dead in first place... (British Death penalty was banned in 1960s after last executed Ruth Ellis) Did you heard about her? Google-Ergebnis für http://www.celebritywonder.com/img/movieposter/tn/1984_Dance_With_a_Stranger.jpg
Anyway, they protested for want death penatly back because of Yorkshire Ripper Peter Sutcliffe until political, people and medias influence cons/pros about death penalty and remind us about innocent history. Government agreed to let us vote Yes or No to death penalty... We decided and give political, people and medias right about innocent history and voted NO. High voted NO than YES.
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"Your" country is mine too, by the way.
As I said, it must be based on the crime. Not on "animals", or over population.
Also, there are a whole slew of things that could be done to reduce prison population.
Minor offenses do not belong in prison. "White collar", non violent criminals, do not belong in prison.
It is also our justice system, and the prison system itself, habitual criminals, and creating a whole 'criminal culture'.
Prison gangs need to be stopped.
Criminal fraternizing in prisons needs to be stopped.
Glorifying criminals in the news needs to be stopped.
I could go on for a while... but my head is a bit wonky, at the moment.
ah yes yes... in other word - re-evaluation of our criminal laws and its sentencing. Most of criminals in jails are habituals. Something must be done for habitual violators. I don't know about white crimes but they do belong to federal prisons. Exploiting people for million dollars is a heinous, disgusting crime to me. They are no different from vicious criminals. Death penalty should apply to white crime if they show a depraved indifferences to those who suffered greatly. For example - a CEO of pharmaceutical company went thru a complicated legal loophole to actually LEGALLY experiment the side effects of their new prototype drugs on humans which later caused their deaths but cannot be proved. A whistleblower or a memo got leaked that led to prosecution of CEO for depraved indifference. That man deserve a death penalty. Minor offenses and non-violent criminals certainly do not belong to prisons. Just spank their butt and fine them.
ah yes yes... in other word - re-evaluation of our criminal laws and its sentencing. Most of criminals in jails are habituals. Something must be done for habitual violators. I don't know about white crimes but they do belong to federal prisons. Exploiting people for million dollars is a heinous, disgusting crime to me. They are no different from vicious criminals. Death penalty should apply to white crime if they show a depraved indifferences to those who suffered greatly. For example - a CEO of pharmaceutical company went thru a complicated legal loophole to actually LEGALLY experiment the side effects of their new prototype drugs on humans which later caused their deaths but cannot be proved. A whistleblower or a memo got leaked that led to prosecution of CEO for depraved indifference. That man deserve a death penalty. Minor offenses and non-violent criminals certainly do not belong to prisons. Just spank their butt and fine them.
Well, yes, I believe in punishment for embezzlement and rigging stock market, and such, but I don't think prison life does anything good for these people. I think self supported labor for restitution is in order, there.
As far as willful endangerment or harm, either through action or inaction goes, like experimentation with drugs on humans... that needs to be looked at. It's not that cut and dry though, but I am leaning at least toward some kind of prison term, for things like that... if death penalty is legal for that, while I don't agree with killing anyone, then well... that would be what he gets, I suppose.