Europe Calls on World to Abolish Death Penalty

[Liebling:-)))]

But there is no "right" newspaper. It's only right for you if you agree with its political view. TV news is not exactly a great source of info because they interview only certain people that they agree with. TV news is also a very powerful tool to greatly influence and shape public's opinion - remember? A picture is worth thousand words. TV news is the easiest way to spread propaganda and to gain a massive, same public opinion quickly. That's why I don't watch tv much. I probably watch about 2 hrs per week... can't miss Hell's Kitchen! There are so few shows that are worthy to watch like... Barbara Walters - great quality work.

What TV news do you watch? I like reading BBC news.

Yes, like what I said before, depend on my knowledge/judgement either they are true or not.

It doesn't mean that I have to agree with political view all the time... some yes, and some not. some talk a lot for nothing...

I only saw original ones... I watch daily TV news for EU and Germany Aktuelle Nachrichten - Inland Ausland Wirtschaft Kultur Sport - ARD Tagesschau and Phoneix PHOENIX and Heute Journal 1.1.htm ZDF.de - heute-journal . It's good one... It's not just EU and Germany but world as well.

I watch monitor once a month... it like warn the people against world political, etc with original film and original interview.

I only read BBC, MSNBC and Deutsche Welle online.

 

[Jiro]

Well, yes, I believe in punishment for embezzlement and rigging stock market, and such, but I don't think prison life does anything good for these people. I think self supported labor for restitution is in order, there.

As far as willful endangerment or harm, either through action or inaction goes, like experimentation with drugs on humans... that needs to be looked at. It's not that cut and dry though, but I am leaning at least toward some kind of prison term, for things like that... if death penalty is legal for that, while I don't agree with killing anyone, then well... that would be what he gets, I suppose.

we surely have a very very long way to go to re-evaluate every single penal code I can tell you that most of it should be reduced to misdemeanors especially drug crime. btw - embezzlement and rigging stock market - yea community service (or Department of Public Work) will suffice. Shame on them for cheating! but I spare no mercy or leniency for corporation guys who show depraved indifferences toward people.

 

[jenni-m]

we surely have a very very long way to go to re-evaluate every single penal code I can tell you that most of it should be reduced to misdemeanors especially drug crime. btw - embezzlement and rigging stock market - yea community service (or Department of Public Work) will suffice. Shame on them for cheating! but I spare no mercy or leniency for corporation guys who show depraved indifferences toward people.

Yeah...
I think it is insane how someone who has never hurt a fly can go to prison on possession charges, and end up 'criminalized' because they have to associate with people who are violent... they have no choice but to adapt to the culture of the prison and fend for themselves. They do try to prevent this, by having different levels of 'security' for prisons, but it is not enough. Even in juvenile facilities, kids can end up turning into career criminals, because they are all lumped together with mutual 'bad influence'.

 

[Jiro]

Yeah...
I think it is insane how someone who has never hurt a fly can go to prison on possession charges, and end up 'criminalized' because they have to associate with people who are violent... they have no choice but to adapt to the culture of the prison and fend for themselves. They do try to prevent this, by having different levels of 'security' for prisons, but it is not enough. Even in juvenile facilities, kids can end up turning into career criminals, because they are all lumped together with mutual 'bad influence'.

true and plus - they tend to commit crime again after release because deep inside, they were traumatized by prison - most likely due to prison rape and exposure to drugs. indeed very sad... Prison Rape - a topic that many politicians avoid to discuss about and it is a very serious issue.

 

[jenni-m]

true and plus - they tend to commit crime again after release because deep inside, they were traumatized by prison - most likely due to prison rape and exposure to drugs. indeed very sad... Prison Rape - a topic that many politicians avoid to discuss about and it is a very serious issue.

Yes, and some people commit crimes again so they can go back to prison, because after that, life on the outside is too hard for them.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes, and some people commit crimes again so they can go back to prison, because after that, life on the outside is too hard for them.

Yes, true... Some people refused to get out of prison because they know what and how the people reacts outside... which is hard for them...

 

[Barbaro]

Don't forget that Poland was former communist and beleive in death penalty... It does the same with some of Eastern Europeans as well...

Prescisely, the latest information is presented for others who are not conversant with the background due to your 9-month-old and a shortened version link. Readers would be acquired with the latest information regarding the veto update, the Council of Europe's issues and comments, and Western, Central, and Eastern Europeon countries' background

Nobody ask us for our opinion over death penalty... It could be that the people, Terry Davis know and try to convince to. Nobody protest for want death penalty... no even world and EU new about death penalty... I really has no idea why Terry Davis say this.

According to Terry Davis's statement, there are many immigrants in Europe, and people in Central and Eastern European do support death penalty and is concerned the immigrants would introduce their own values, cultures, and beliefs to shape and influence all over Western European countries from Central and Eastern European countries to test their Western Europeans' values. Terry Davis's EU goal is to be just a European, not German, not French, Not Spanish, and the list goes on and on. Who knows in next 20 years, the death penalty reintroduction may bring up again.

Sure, some Europeans are not satisfied with the EU. Each person is different and have different view over different countries which is normal. I know high Europeans in real life do not support death penalty and happy with EU for against death penalty... because they have bad experience with death penalty in some EU countries in the past...

My Brit, Spanish and Swedish friends are Euroskeptic, and cheered recently Ireland voted no to the EU treaty (Lisbon Treaty) last Thursday. That is a major blow to the EU.

Spiegel is a policital magazine, newspaper and online... I do not beleive that half of the European population favored the death penalty because I know them in real life and also history why they are against death penalty... Nobody ask us for opinion over death penalty for Saddam Hussein.

Spiegel Online (Mirror Online) not only reports politics, but sport, daily news, entertainment, science, weather, auto, and others. Again, Spiegel Online is considered bias. Spiegel Online is not the only one who reported 'almost' half of the European population favored death penalty for Saddam Hussein. French Broadcasters and newspapers (such as France24 and El Monde) did report them as well- I can go on and on. Almost half of the European population probably likely are from Central and Eastern European countries, and immigrants who reside in Western European countries.

I do not listen media... They made it up... I only listen original is TV news for EU and the world, not read media...

Your line is not articulate. Media is all forms of communication- televisions, newspapers, magazines, radio, satellites, internet, blogs, even message boards, etc. They do produce errors that mislead viewers and readers. It is a nature of the media. You do read the media online- MSNBC, BBC, and German Wave (Deutsche Welle). You do watch the media- television news for EU and the world.

Now, I have an important day to attend within several days. Saludos!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Okay, for response, Barbaro.

I never like and find disgusit what and how Saddam Hussein did to his own people including children. I respect their death penalty law when I oppose death penalty for Saddam Hussein.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Germans Disappointed in Obama's Stance on Death Penalty

Germans Disappointed in Obama's Stance on Death Penalty

German politicians across the political spectrum have responded with surprise and harsh criticism to comments by US presidential candidate Barack Obama calling for the death penalty for child rapists.

Despite their immense adoration and support for the Democratic presidential candidate, German politicians and the media were quick to attack Obama for his comments in favor of extending the death penalty for child rapists.

"The death penalty is the ultimate violation of human rights and the right to life," Green party leader Claudia Roth told the Bild newspaper. Obama should be working for abolishing the death penalty in the United States, not for expanding it, she added.

Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Only five US states allow the death penalty for child rapists.Earlier in the week Obama criticized a US Supreme Court decision declaring the execution of child rapists unconstitutional. Speaking out against the ruling, which struck down a Louisiana law allowing capital punishment for people convicted of raping children under 12, Obama argued that states should have the right to consider the death penalty for such a heinous crime.

The death penalty "should be applied in very narrow circumstances for the most egregious of crimes," he said.

The court had ruled 5 to 4 that applying the death penalty in such cases violated the US Constitutional ban on cruel and unusual punishment. Since 1964, the death penalty has only been applied to those convicted of murder.

World-wide abolishment of death penalty

Obama's comments, which observers say were designed to counter any perception that the Democratic candidate is soft on crime and bring him more in line with the views of the American middle, were harshly rejected across the political spectrum in Germany, where the candidate enjoys more popularity than anywhere else in Europe.

The head of the conservative, Bavaria-based Christian Social Union, Erwin Huber, said that although "child rape is one of the most heinous crimes, the ban on the death penalty must be absolute."


Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: The death penalty is banned in all European Union member states. Former Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger of the Free Democrats echoed that position, arguing that the death penalty should be abolished world-wide.

"The death penalty is just as inhuman as the crime of child rape," she told the Bild newspaper.

The foreign policy spokesperson for the Union bloc of conservatives in the German parliament, Eckart von Klaeden, cautioned against upholding a false Obama image in Europe. "With all the Obamania in Europe, many make the mistake of believing they can measure Obama on European standards," he said.

Obama falls out of favor in Europe

German media took Obama to task in several editorials over the weekend, but some also urged their readers to see Obama for what he is, "a short-lived darling of the European political salon," as the Düsseldorf Rheinische Post described the candidate's fall from favor.

The Berlin-based newspaper Tagesspiegel appealed to Germans and Europeans in general to wake up from their Obamania trance and recognize the truth behind the democratic candidate's comments.

Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Obama campaigned on the slogan "Change we can believe in" "So often Europeans told themselves: we are not against America only against George W. Bush. Now that the left-leaning Obama has removed his mask to become a president-in-waiting, many in Europe are beginning to realize that the negative aspects they eagerly attributed to Bush are in fact deeply embedded in the land itself: the death penalty, gun ownership, moral conservatism and a dogmatic belief in its own righteousness."

The Saarbrücker Zeitung questioned how much still unites Europe with America. "Among the western democracies, the US is the only country that still applies the death penalty and allows for widespread ownership of guns. This is the America Europeans always regarded as the America of George Bush. Now we know that this America will hardly change under a President Barack Obama."

Germans Disappointed in Obama's Stance on Death Penalty | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 28.06.2008

 

[Reba]

I surprised that the Germans and Europeans aren't jumping for joy after the Supreme Court decision:

AllDeaf.com - View Single Post - Supremes Reject Death Penalty for Child Rapists...

I thought for sure the Euros would so happy that child rapists can live. It's like a dream come true for them. :roll:

For me, it's like a nightmare coming true.

 

[Jiro]

The Saarbrücker Zeitung questioned how much still unites Europe with America. "Among the western democracies, the US is the only country that still applies the death penalty and allows for widespread ownership of guns. This is the America Europeans always regarded as the America of George Bush. Now we know that this America will hardly change under a President Barack Obama."

Wrong answer. This is our way of American life and has always been since the Founding Fathers. It has nothing to do with the Presidents. Europe had a very long history of "controlling" people under its monarchy regime and it is understandable that Europeans have "innate" behavior unconsciously to accept the Big Brother lifestyle. Europe is basically a Police State. Our country with death penalty and widespread ownership of guns is not going to change anytime soon nor in future

 

[web730]

Softer punishments DON'T HELP REDUCE the crimes committed by others afterward, anybody agree with this?

In the distant past they used speed laws to effectively reduce crimes. Nowadays it seem they are going backwards yet those type of crimes increase.

What in the world is going on?! lol

(speed law - actually meant very strict or "fast punishment" law in case anybody wonder what it meant)(not meant the speeding by the way)

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I surprised that the Germans and Europeans aren't jumping for joy after the Supreme Court decision:

AllDeaf.com - View Single Post - Supremes Reject Death Penalty for Child Rapists...

I thought for sure the Euros would so happy that child rapists can live. It's like a dream come true for them. :roll:

For me, it's like a nightmare coming true.

Accord this article, I posted.

Only five US states allow the death penalty for child rapists

The court had ruled 5 to 4 that applying the death penalty in such cases violated the US Constitutional ban on cruel and unusual punishment. Since 1964, the death penalty has only been applied to those convicted of murder.

The link, you posted is a present, not future. The link I posted is about future, not present because of Obama.

We know for a long time that death penalty in America for convicted of murder but child rapists? I didn't know that there're law in 5 states to allow death penalty for child rapists. German politicians are worried about the future if Barack Obama become a president.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Wrong answer. This is our way of American life and has always been since the Founding Fathers. It has nothing to do with the Presidents. Europe had a very long history of "controlling" people under its monarchy regime and it is understandable that Europeans have "innate" behavior unconsciously to accept the Big Brother lifestyle. Europe is basically a Police State. Our country with death penalty and widespread ownership of guns is not going to change anytime soon nor in future

Wrong answer.

Here is my answer:

I can understand that American and Europe’s cultural traditions are very different. We also have different freedom of speech, that’s way what we like and what we believe in. I can see that we have more freedom of speech and religion restriction than in America which we support and believe is good and safe for the children’s welfare and interest etc., it should not abuse the people, also violence etc due their "belief".

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Softer punishments DON'T HELP REDUCE the crimes committed by others afterward, anybody agree with this?

In the distant past they used speed laws to effectively reduce crimes. Nowadays it seem they are going backwards yet those type of crimes increase.

What in the world is going on?! lol

(speed law - actually meant very strict or "fast punishment" law in case anybody wonder what it meant)(not meant the speeding by the way)

Soft punishment?

life imprisonment is not soft punishment.

Rehabilitatation in prison do help to reduce the crimes when they get out of prison.

 

[Jiro]

Wrong answer.

Here is my answer:

I can understand that American and Europe’s cultural traditions are very different. We also have different freedom of speech, that’s way what we like and what we believe in. I can see that we have more freedom of speech and religion restriction than in America which we support and believe is good and safe for the children’s welfare and interest etc., it should not abuse the people, also violence etc due their "belief".

so.... how is that any different from what I said? that is not the full extend of freedom. What you have is a very limited form of freedom that is "convenient" and suitable for certain people. It's still a Police State - dictating what's good, what's not good. Are you gonna dictate that my soda is bad for children's health and therefore ban it?

 

[Cheri]

Grrr..

I got so much to say on this topic, my timing is just wrong right now, I gonna get ready for work. I'll come back and answer this thread when I have the time.

 

[Reba]

The link, you posted is a present, not future. The link I posted is about future, not present because of Obama.

We know for a long time that death penalty in America for convicted of murder but child rapists? I didn't know that there're law in 5 states to allow death penalty for child rapists. German politicians are worried about the future if Barack Obama become a president.

What do you mean "present, not future?"

The Supreme Court decision isn't something that any President can change. The Supreme Court makes the final decision. It doesn't matter who the President is.

The only way that the Presidents can influence Supreme Court decisions is by whom they select as judges. Even then, the judges have to be approved by Congress.

The judges are in their positions for life, so Presidents don't even have the power to say "when" they can pick a new judge.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

What do you mean "present, not future?"

The link, you posted is present which mean is President Bush is still around at present time which is different as I posted the article because of Obama. Its about the future... If he wins at election this November.

The Supreme Court decision isn't something that any President can change. The Supreme Court makes the final decision. It doesn't matter who the President is.

The only way that the Presidents can influence Supreme Court decisions is by whom they select as judges. Even then, the judges have to be approved by Congress.

The judges are in their positions for life, so Presidents don't even have the power to say "when" they can pick a new judge.

Yes, the president CAN influence Supreme Court/Congress's decision if he want to.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

so.... how is that any different from what I said? that is not the full extend of freedom. What you have is a very limited form of freedom that is "convenient" and suitable for certain people. It's still a Police State - dictating what's good, what's not good. Are you gonna dictate that my soda is bad for children's health and therefore ban it?

I thank Health Department for make positive information over health issues. They do not ban or forbid unhealth foods including soda but spread the information. It doesn't mean that they dictate us when they want to spread the positive and negative information and give us choice to decide either we want to take their information or not. It's up to us.