Does CI person need interpreter?

Cheri said:
I can't believe you comparing you as a teacher against Shel as a teacher. it's ashamed that you have to be this way, it's almost sounding like you're being discriminate. I just hope not.
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I know...but I am keeping my cool. :) It is just the constant comparing that I dont believe in.
 
Drew's Dad said:
I understand what you're saying, but remember all I was saying is that there are differences between hearing and not hearing. I didn't say that a Deaf person could not do a particular thing.
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A little differences not too much differences. ;)
 
shel90 said:
I have a degree in Deaf ed. I am qualified to teach deaf children using any approach. My degree and certification is not limited to ASL only. Yes, I am qualified to teach oral deaf kids...I just dont want to.

We have speech therapists working at our program...nobody has put them down. We have an audi with bilateral CIs..nobody has put her down. U never know how people will react to you until u try so u cant make these kinds of assumptions.
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I know that you have the right credential to teach oral or signing kids. And I am not doubting your teaching abilities. But come on do you think you had enough training/education in order to teach oral deaf children. Come on be honest, do you have any idea what I do everyday at school and it is not the same thing as when you went to school. I can make assumptions, look how I am treated here. Do you really think that your school would hire me, come on with my background? If your bosses are anything like you do you really think they would hire me, I know that I would never hire anyone like you for an oral teacher of the deaf position. You don't believe in it, why would someone hire you for a position like mine. I think you are more then likely an amazing teacher for children that are learning in sign language. What a great role model you would be for them but never as oral teacher of the deaf and not because you are deaf but because you don't believe in it.
 
Cheri said:
I can't believe you comparing you as a teacher against Shel as a teacher. it's ashamed that you have to be this way, it's almost sounding like you're being discriminate. I just hope not.
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Come on how could you compare what I said to discrimination. Do you have any ideas as to what type of classes or training I had to go through? I am sure that Shel is an amazing teacher for kids that are learning in sign language but she would be an awful oral deaf teacher you know why because she does not believe in oral education so how can you be good at something you do not believe in. Cheri do me favor and go back and read exactly what I said. I said Shel would not be a good oral teacher of the deaf just as I would not be a good signing teacher of the deaf. If you are going quote do it correctly please.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
Come on how could you compare what I said to discrimination. Do you have any ideas as to what type of classes or training I had to go through? I am sure that Shel is an amazing teacher for kids that are learning in sign language but she would be an awful oral deaf teacher you know why because she does not believe in oral education so how can you be good at something you do not believe in. Cheri do me favor and go back and read exactly what I said. I said Shel would not be a good oral teacher of the deaf just as I would not be a good signing teacher of the deaf. If you are going quote do it correctly please.
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Your post 172 did not stated those words, that's the post I quoted. Do yourself a favor go back to your own post and look for yourself.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
I know that you have the right credential to teach oral or signing kids. And I am not doubting your teaching abilities. But come on do you think you had enough training/education in order to teach oral deaf children. Come on be honest, do you have any idea what I do everyday at school and it is not the same thing as when you went to school. I can make assumptions, look how I am treated here. Do you really think that your school would hire me, come on with my background? If your bosses are anything like you do you really think they would hire me, I know that I would never hire anyone like you for an oral teacher of the deaf position. You don't believe in it, why would someone hire you for a position like mine. I think you are more then likely an amazing teacher for children that are learning in sign language. What a great role model you would be for them but never as oral teacher of the deaf and not because you are deaf but because you don't believe in it.
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U said that I wasnt "qualified" so it sounded like u were referring to creditals. I got it now..


I dont know about my bosses or what they would think. I cant make that assumption for them.
 
Cheri said:
Your post 172 did not stated those words, that's the post I quoted. Do yourself a favor go back to your own post and look for yourself.
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You are so right that eaching a deaf child that signs is different then teaching an oral deaf students. Can you image me an oral teacher of deaf going to teach at a school for the deaf. My credential says I can do it but can you image at a school that teaches in sign language or Shel with my students. The education I got is completely different then what Shel got. I personally would never teach a school for the deaf because it would be a completel waste of the students and my time.

You are right I worded differently. But did you also see where I said Shel teaching in oral deaf ed class is like me teaching in a signing class.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
Come on how could you compare what I said to discrimination. Do you have any ideas as to what type of classes or training I had to go through? I am sure that Shel is an amazing teacher for kids that are learning in sign language but she would be an awful oral deaf teacher you know why because she does not believe in oral education so how can you be good at something you do not believe in. Cheri do me favor and go back and read exactly what I said. I said Shel would not be a good oral teacher of the deaf just as I would not be a good signing teacher of the deaf. If you are going quote do it correctly please.
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Awful? Good choice of words.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
You are so right that eaching a deaf child that signs is different then teaching an oral deaf students. Can you image me an oral teacher of deaf going to teach at a school for the deaf. My credential says I can do it but can you image at a school that teaches in sign language or Shel with my students. The education I got is completely different then what Shel got. I personally would never teach a school for the deaf because it would be a completel waste of the students and my time.

You are right I worded differently. But did you also see where I said Shel teaching in oral deaf ed class is like me teaching in a signing class.
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U said you learned some sign language so I dont doubt that u could do it but I know that u dont believe in using ASL in the educational setting.

I gotta admit, I did use some of my oral skills for one of my students who is still learning ASL cuz I wont let him miss out on anything. When I do that, my other students ask me what did I say so I have to sign what I said to him out of respect for them.
 
Jackie..u believe what u believe in...I am not mad at you for it. In fact, it doesnt really matter anymore. I just hope in the future kids stop being deprived of full access to language. I am tired of this constant cycle, that's all.
 
I've got to tellyou, although I agree with you Jackie 90% of the time, this time I would have to disagree with you. To be quite honest, I would LOVE to have a teacher like Shel working with my son. Oral or not, because she (correct me if I'm wrong Shel and making an assumption) she is there for the kids- to help them succeed- no matter what the mode of communicaiton is. I would LOVE for my son to see a Deaf teacher in that role. I wouldn't object to it at all. After all, my opinion is that my son is in school to learn- albeit hie is mainstreamed and communicates orally, I don't think it's a terrible thing to have Shel teaching him. To me, it's just opening up another door for him and I think the rewards are BIG for my son and for Shel (hypothecially speaking of course). I don't get the sense that even though Shel maybe against CI's, she would ever hurt the success of a student by "holding a gruge". I am only saying this in my own personal experience, because my son's TOD is not there all day (he has another classroom teacher) and depending on the cirriculum, she either pulls in or pulls out. I think it could work, actually, and be a great experience for all.
 
You claimed that surgeries are done everyday? Not really, I haven't had no surgeries in my entire life.[
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last time i checked this was 2008 and ALL types of non-invasive to invasive surgeries are done everyday! just cuz u haven't had one doens't mean other people don't.
I've had my tonsils and adenoids out and ear surgery at age 3 due to frequent ear infections( which caused my hearing loss) i had which helped lessen them... so thanks to my mom she prevented my hearing from potentially getting worse by getting the surgery that lessened all those darn ear infections
at age 8 my doctors thought i had leukemia so i went thru major testing all the time and surgery, and age 15 i got ALL wisdom teeth that were impacted taken out thru surgery!, at age 16 i had testing up the wazoo cz my audi/ent thought i had a tumor, and at age 17 i had stomach surgery...soo again..just cuz u haven't had surgery doesn't mean other pple have not.

I support life saving surgeries for children, but not un-life saving surgeries.
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so your telling me if your child was born with a deformity that could be fixed with surgery you would say no it's ok my son/daughter won't die from it, they mite suffer a bit but it's not like its life threatening sooo its ok!...

How is cochlear implants surgery is a way to correct the child's health problem? Being deaf is not a disease nor a seriousness illness that requires surgery.
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did i say ci surgery was a correction to being deaf..NO...never said it was a cure, it's a tool to HELP you hear how an individual does well with it or not is up to them. So, don't ask my how is a ci a way to correct a child's health problem (deafness) ..cuz i never said it was a correction Also I never said being deaf was a disease either or a serious illness but a disability. And never said it required surgery...all i said was that if a parent so wishes to implant their child than we as the general public should not judge them on their decision

How can cochlear implant ensure the quality of the child's life in the future? Having hearing does not ensure the quality of life
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A ci can't ensure quality of life for anyone, that's why there are risks. but there are risks everywhere you go and with everything you do. There is a risk of you walking outside and gettng hit by a satellite that got blasted out of space yesterday...so are you not going to walk outside, no your still going to because you have to live your life.

Your right having hearing doesn't ensure quality of life...neither does sight, or having a learning disability or being really smart...some really smart ppl are depressed did u know that.. no one can guarantee or ensure quality of life.

How can someone put a baby through so much complications during surgery for just a cochlear implant?
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same way people put babies thru other testing and ops and surgeries. if the parent(s) think they are giving their child the BEST then they will go to whatever lenghts to strive for the best, even if sometime it's not the best choice. My mom almost didn't have me cuz my grandparents told her to give my up since she was only 21, im damn well glad she didnt!

Does babies deserved to go through such as bleeding, infection, problems with anesthesia or healing, dizziness, or injury to the facial nerve for a purpose to hear? That's nonsense. I'm sorry.
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Does anyone deserve to go thru any surgery..i hated my mom for making me go to the hospital but now im thankful for every decision she made for me.
Like i said b4, it's a Personal decision that the parents have to make for their child, and until someone has to go thru that themselves and they get to decide whether or not ci no ci, glasses no glasses, limbs no limbs etc etc..then we shouldn't put others down for wat decisions they make.

and im not even going to go there about babies and abortion etc.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
You are so right that eaching a deaf child that signs is different then teaching an oral deaf students. Can you image me an oral teacher of deaf going to teach at a school for the deaf. My credential says I can do it but can you image at a school that teaches in sign language or Shel with my students. The education I got is completely different then what Shel got. I personally would never teach a school for the deaf because it would be a completel waste of the students and my time.

You are right I worded differently. But did you also see where I said Shel teaching in oral deaf ed class is like me teaching in a signing class.
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I belive if the oral deaf children had access to a teacher like Shel for a single day, they would never forget it and realize its another bright world outside there that they are denied access to.. So better not hire Shel, to keep the children happy.

And let's be honest, deaf children with strong ASL skills would just be tired and bored with an oral teacher.

I don't want to be rude, but this is very likely, based on stories by thousands of deaf people thrugh a century.
 
Drew's Dad said:
Let's hope none of these children need to have an impacted tooth removed, surgery to repair a broken bone, cleft palate surgery, or any other of the many non-life saving surgeries that can make a difference in their life.
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Those are still diseases, in the classical sense of the word. Cleft palate can lead to feeding difficulties, which result in an infant's inability to survive. A broken bone is just that, something broken that needs to be repaired. An impacted tooth, as well, can lead to infection which can be life threatening. The comparison is fallicious.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
You are so right that eaching a deaf child that signs is different then teaching an oral deaf students. Can you image me an oral teacher of deaf going to teach at a school for the deaf. My credential says I can do it but can you image at a school that teaches in sign language or Shel with my students. The education I got is completely different then what Shel got. I personally would never teach a school for the deaf because it would be a completel waste of the students and my time.
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I'll have to agree with you there....it would be a waste of the students' time.
 
Ok, lilitalia89 that's your opinion, but I don't have to agree with you, just as you don't have to agree with me. I've said what I need to say that's all. :)
 
jackiesolorzano said:
I have no doubt that they can what I know is that it is very hard for them. I also know that a profoundly deaf person cannot have a complete conversation on the phone. There are just certain things that no matter how hard a profoundly deaf person tries they cannot do it.
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A profoundly deaf person can and does have a complete conversation on the phone, and many do it on a daily basis. Some simply have difficulty having a spoken conversation on the phone. But there again is that attitude that spoken conversation is superior to typed conversation.

Likewise, there are those CI implanted individuals that are uable to engage in spoken conversation on the phone.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
I know that you have the right credential to teach oral or signing kids. And I am not doubting your teaching abilities. But come on do you think you had enough training/education in order to teach oral deaf children. Come on be honest, do you have any idea what I do everyday at school and it is not the same thing as when you went to school. I can make assumptions, look how I am treated here. Do you really think that your school would hire me, come on with my background? If your bosses are anything like you do you really think they would hire me, I know that I would never hire anyone like you for an oral teacher of the deaf position. You don't believe in it, why would someone hire you for a position like mine. I think you are more then likely an amazing teacher for children that are learning in sign language. What a great role model you would be for them but never as oral teacher of the deaf and not because you are deaf but because you don't believe in it.
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Actually, shel teaches in a Bi-Bi atmosphere, and the last time I checked, that was still an atmosphere that included BOTH sign and spoken language, not one or the other. And the reason that you would not be hired to teach in such an atmosphere is simply because you are not fluent in both languages.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
I know that you have the right credential to teach oral or signing kids. And I am not doubting your teaching abilities. But come on do you think you had enough training/education in order to teach oral deaf children. Come on be honest, do you have any idea what I do everyday at school and it is not the same thing as when you went to school. I can make assumptions, look how I am treated here. Do you really think that your school would hire me, come on with my background? If your bosses are anything like you do you really think they would hire me, I know that I would never hire anyone like you for an oral teacher of the deaf position. You don't believe in it, why would someone hire you for a position like mine. I think you are more then likely an amazing teacher for children that are learning in sign language. What a great role model you would be for them but never as oral teacher of the deaf and not because you are deaf but because you don't believe in it.
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Again with the separartion. Why is mode more important than true education? We need to be concerned about the gaps in edcuation for deaf children, not methodology.
 
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