Does CI person need interpreter?

[shel90]

Agreed, like I said earlier, calling it Bi-Bi is actually a misnomer. Also, why should my tax dollars be used to subsidize the teaching/indoctrination of any culture?

Rick

If only u knew ...if u have never visited a BiBi program, then how can u make claims like these?

 

[shel90]

I've got to tellyou, although I agree with you Jackie 90% of the time, this time I would have to disagree with you. To be quite honest, I would LOVE to have a teacher like Shel working with my son. Oral or not, because she (correct me if I'm wrong Shel and making an assumption) she is there for the kids- to help them succeed- no matter what the mode of communicaiton is. I would LOVE for my son to see a Deaf teacher in that role. I wouldn't object to it at all. After all, my opinion is that my son is in school to learn- albeit hie is mainstreamed and communicates orally, I don't think it's a terrible thing to have Shel teaching him. To me, it's just opening up another door for him and I think the rewards are BIG for my son and for Shel (hypothecially speaking of course). I don't get the sense that even though Shel maybe against CI's, she would ever hurt the success of a student by "holding a gruge". I am only saying this in my own personal experience, because my son's TOD is not there all day (he has another classroom teacher) and depending on the cirriculum, she either pulls in or pulls out. I think it could work, actually, and be a great experience for all.

Thank you...my heart is with these children cuz I know what it is like to miss out on so much in the educational setting growing up and I dont want any deaf children to suffer like my brother, my friends and I did.

 

[rick48]

It is done everyday for hearing children. Why not for deaf children? Are your tax dollars more important that educating children? If so, I would suggest that education is the most effective way to insure that they become fully functioning adults that do not have to rely on any form of public assistance and dip into those precious tax coffers.

You claim that Bi-Bi is a misnomer. On exactly what basis? Have you visited various Bi-Bi programs? Do you have a degree in education? Do you have direct experience with anything other than oral only education?

No particular culture is taught in our public school.

I am using Shel's own decsription of her program. As to other programs, I cannot speak as to them.

 

[rick48]

Just like u resort to false labels by calling us anti-CI.

Shel,

Nice try but you are avoiding the issue.

Rick

 

[jillio]

No particular culture is taught in our public school.

I am using Shel's own decsription of her program. As to other programs, I cannot speak as to them.

You don't teach history? Your public school doesn't teach the values of the hearing, white world, or to put it another way, the majority culture? What about implicit teaching? Do you have a guidance program in your public school systems? A guidance program seeks to install values and behaviors as deemed approporiate by the majority. This, as well, is culture.

Shel's description of her program is one that uses an L1 language to teach an L2 language. That is an apt description of any bilingual program.

 

[shel90]

No particular culture is taught in our public school.

I am using Shel's own decsription of her program. As to other programs, I cannot speak as to them.

History class???

We teach about Black history month, the history of America, cultural and traditions of American...we just add Deaf culture to it while public schools dont.

 

[shel90]

Shel,

Nice try but you are avoiding the issue.

Rick

What issue is that?

 

[rick48]

If only u knew ...if u have never visited a BiBi program, then how can u make claims like these?

Again, I am referring to your program and the fact you have already admitted that you only use ASL in your classroom instruction and further you neither say your instructions in English or at the very least mouth the words.

If I am wrong, please correct me but you have made it clear that you do not use spoken English in your classroom instruction. I have no problem with that and could not care less, just that I fail to see how that is a bi-lingual approach to Education.
Rick

 

[shel90]

Again, I am referring to your program and the fact you have already admitted that you only use ASL in your classroom instruction and further you neither say your instructions in English or at the very least mouth the words.

If I am wrong, please correct me but you have made it clear that you do not use spoken English in your classroom instruction. I have no problem with that and could not care less, just that I fail to see how that is a bi-lingual approach to Education.
Rick

We have a pilot program for CI students in kindergarden class..things are going to be changing but I cant reveal due to privacy. I have to wait until all plans are finalized and announced.

Teh speech classes reinforce what is taught in the classes but using spoken language so spoken English is still being exposed to those who benefit from it. Why waste time putting kids who have no understanding of spoken language in those speech classes? That would be a waste of their time. If I was a kid and attending this program, I would be going to the speech classes cuz I was able to develop oral skills but my brother wouldnt cuz he couldnt develop them. I am talking about older kids. The babies and toddlers are ALL exposed to oral language as well as ASL. I teach older kids so it is different.

 

[rick48]

History class???

We teach about Black history month, the history of America, cultural and traditions of American...we just add Deaf culture to it while public schools dont.

Our students must take courses in both American and World History but there are no courses or inordinate amount of time spent on Irish culture, Catholic culture, Jewish culture, German culture, Black culture, Hispanic culture etc.

 

[shel90]

Our students must take courses in both American and World History but there are no courses or inordinate amount of time spent on Irish culture, Catholic culture, Jewish culture, German culture, Black culture, Hispanic culture etc.

Same with our program..we dont spend an inordinate amount on Deaf culture. Just maybe for two to 4 weeks. We follow the public school curriculm on all subject areas ..just added Deaf culture to the curriculm.

 

[rick48]

Why waste time putting kids who have no understanding of spoken language in those speech classes? That would be a waste of their time.

Unbelievable! Your students are only in 3rd grade and you have already written them off!

Like, I said, your program is bi-lingual in name only.

Rick

 

[rick48]

Same with our program..we dont spend an inordinate amount on Deaf culture. Just maybe for two to 4 weeks. We follow the public school curriculm on all subject areas ..just added Deaf culture to the curriculm.

Then I stand corrected but 2-4 weeks out of a 10 month curriculum hardly seems to warrant calling the program bi-cultural?

 

[shel90]

Unbelievable! Your students are only in 3rd grade and you have already written them off!

Like, I said, your program is bi-lingual in name only.

Rick

They have been in intensive speech training from birth to 5 years old...yet unable to develop speech skills. That is based on the speech assessments conducted by the speech therapists.

Why use precious time on something those kids have shown not to benefit from? We use the time with them on enriching their educational progress. I dont see how that is so bad?

Bilingual..kids are fluent in ASL and English.

 

[shel90]

Then I stand corrected but 2-4 weeks out of a 10 month curriculum hardly seems to warrant calling the program bi-cultural?

Go to my thread..."A comprehensive list" and read the definition of what BiBi means in Deaf education. It is better explained.

 

[jillio]

Again, I am referring to your program and the fact you have already admitted that you only use ASL in your classroom instruction and further you neither say your instructions in English or at the very least mouth the words.

If I am wrong, please correct me but you have made it clear that you do not use spoken English in your classroom instruction. I have no problem with that and could not care less, just that I fail to see how that is a bi-lingual approach to Education.
Rick

Because they use English in all its other forms. English is not just spoken language.

 

[rick48]

You don't teach history? Your public school doesn't teach the values of the hearing, white world, or to put it another way, the majority culture? What about implicit teaching? Do you have a guidance program in your public school systems? A guidance program seeks to install values and behaviors as deemed approporiate by the majority. This, as well, is culture.

Shel's description of her program is one that uses an L1 language to teach an L2 language. That is an apt description of any bilingual program.

I have never read, heard or seen any reference to hearing in any of my children's social studies courses. Also, the majority culture is also a walking one but again never seen such a reference. "White world", sorry not going down that road.

The job of our Guidance department is not to instill values and behaviour deemed appropriate by the majority, maybe that is how it works in your hs but they are more concerned with making sure our kids graduate and getting them into the best colleges possible and they do a great job of that.

In our school district, we believe values are best taught at home.

 

[jillio]

They have been in intensive speech training from birth to 5 years old...yet unable to develop speech skills. That is based on the speech assessments conducted by the speech therapists.

Why use precious time on something those kids have shown not to benefit from? We use the time with them on enriching their educational progress. I dont see how that is so bad?

Bilingual..kids are fluent in ASL and English.

It isn't bad, shel. But it would appear that attempting to expain bilingualism to a monolingual who doesn't want to understand is futile.

 

[jillio]

I have never read, heard or seen any reference to hearing in any of my children's social studies courses. Also, the majority culture is also a walking one but again never seen such a reference. "White world", sorry not going down that road.

The job of our Guidance department is not to instill values and behaviour deemed appropriate by the majority, maybe that is how it works in your hs but they are more concerned with making sure our kids graduate and getting them into the best colleges possible and they do a great job of that.

In our school district, we believe values are best taught at home.

I didn't specify HS alone. And a comprehensive program deals with all of the issues I listed. Of course you see no reference to hearing. You see no reference to Deafness, either, do you? That means absolutley nothing. The history taught in public schools does not include the numerous contributions made by any minority group in this country. To omit that is to implicity teach the majority culture.

As far as your assessment of the couselor's job in a school system, I strongly reccommend that you check the NASCA national standards.

 

[rick48]

They have been in intensive speech training from birth to 5 years old...yet unable to develop speech skills. That is based on the speech assessments conducted by the speech therapists.

Why use precious time on something those kids have shown not to benefit from? We use the time with them on enriching their educational progress. I dont see how that is so bad?

Bilingual..kids are fluent in ASL and English.

God help the late bloomers in your program!