doctors cannot ask about guns

[Reba]

Are you guys implying children don't get suicidal depressions? Or that people don't threaten to shoot their children if they don't behave?

It said that "doctors can ask the question if they feel their patient is in danger."

 

[Banjo]

And where do you think social services gets their information?

From Glinda.

 

[Reba]

And if doctor's are forbidden to ask about gun ownership, then they cannot ask even in the case of probable cause to ask.

It said, "doctors can ask the question if they feel their patient is in danger."

No,they are talking about pediatricians, as well. Or general practitioners. And who are the two most responsible for the reporting of suspected child abuse or neglect? They have far more contact with children than do hospital personnel. As a matter of fact, someone who is responsible for harming their child often will not use hospital services because they know that suspicion must be reported.

So the people who need to be reported won't even be questioned because they don't show up at the hospital in the first place.

So routine questioning of patients won't do any good in those situations.

 

[jillio]

The NRA is also claiming, that because pediatricians are concerned about child safety based on some very real statistics that they are "anti-gun". Puh-leeze.

 

[Reba]

What doctor routinely asks about gun ownership?

The ones who made their patients take legislative action as a result.

 

[Banjo]

It said, "doctors can ask the question if they feel their patient is in danger."

So the people who need to be reported won't even be questioned because they don't show up at the hospital in the first place.

So routine questioning of patients won't do any good in those situations.

But should they be reprimanded for asking them about gun ownership? You might as well send them to the chair for asking about their ownership of household cleaning products.

 

[jillio]

It said, "doctors can ask the question if they feel their patient is in danger."


So the people who need to be reported won't even be questioned because they don't show up at the hospital in the first place.

So routine questioning of patients won't do any good in those situations.

Nope. General practitioners and pediatricians report them. Which is why they need to be permitted to ask questions pertinent to child safety.

Routine questioning often does good. Why are you afraid of a simple question being asked? If one is doing nothing wrong, the question is nothing more than a simple quesion.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Bleach is a household hazard, so is a steak knife. Gun is considered a household hazard if it's not secured. *shrugs*

It's nothing new.

So if asking about gun ownership is an issue... I would say make it illegal to ask about someone's property! I am sure someone wouldn't want to disclose they have a swimming pool either.

The AAP stresses that pediatricians ask about gun ownership in order to help reduce accidents, injury and death. The question is part of a series which also ask about vaccinations, whether the family has a swimming pool, whether they wear seat belts in their vehicles, etc.

 

[jillio]

The ones who made their patients take legislative action as a result.

The NRA will push and back legislative action with no valid reason. If one parent was asked, they consider it significant.:roll: Personally, a doctor can ask me about gun ownership anytime it strikes his fancy. I have nothing to hide.

 

[Reba]

Yep. They seem to think that all gun owners are taking precautions against every possible scenario.

And you seem to think that having a doctor ask about gun ownership will prevent all gun accidents.

Or are you hoping that doctor intimidation will scare patients into giving up their guns?

 

[Reba]

The NRA will push and back legislative action with no valid reason. If one parent was asked, they consider it significant.:roll:

You have proof of this?

 

[Jiro]

So if asking about gun ownership is an issue... I would say make it illegal to ask about someone's property! I am sure someone wouldn't want to disclose they have a swimming pool either.

Owning a swimming pool is not a Constitutional rights because one can be denied having one due to zoning law. However - gun rights is unfettered Constitutional rights. One cannot be denied of it.

 

[Banjo]

And you seem to think that having a doctor ask about gun ownership will prevent all gun accidents.

Or are you hoping that doctor intimidation will scare patients into giving up their guns?

Who said anything about intimidation? The WCS (White Coat Syndrome) seems to be on the rise these days.

 

[jillio]

And you seem to think that having a doctor ask about gun ownership will prevent all gun accidents.

Or are you hoping that doctor intimidation will scare patients into giving up their guns?

I never made even a slight inference that it would prevent all accidents. People lie. People insist on behaving irresponsibly even when they have been shown the risks. I said if it prevents one accidental death of a child, then it has been worthwhile. How many children are you willing to sacrifice?

 

[jillio]

Who said anything about intimidation? The WCS seems to be on the rampage these days.

How exactly is asking a simple question intimidation if you don't have anything to hide? If you do have something to hide, then it is a question that certainly needs to be asked in the name of safety.

 

[Jiro]

The NRA is also claiming, that because pediatricians are concerned about child safety based on some very real statistics that they are "anti-gun". Puh-leeze.

The AAP goes on to say that the safest option for a family is not to have a gun at home. It also advises people to tell their children about the dangers of guns and to stay well away from them.

The NRA says the AAP has an anti-gun agenda.

The AAP stresses that pediatricians ask about gun ownership in order to help reduce accidents, injury and death. The question is part of a series which also ask about vaccinations, whether the family has a swimming pool, whether they wear seat belts in their vehicles, etc.

how about this - you may tell us but don't ask us.

 

[jillio]

Owning a swimming pool is not a Constitutional rights because one can be denied having one due to zoning law. However - gun rights is unfettered Constitutional rights. One cannot be denied of it.

And the right to own a gun is not being interfered with simply by asking, "Do you have a gun in the home?"

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Owning a swimming pool is not a Constitutional rights because one can be denied having one due to zoning law. However - gun rights is unfettered Constitutional rights. One cannot be denied of it.

How is being asked if you own a gun a violation of a the Constitution? Licenses and permits are against the Constitution.

If a doctor asking about ownership of firearms is illegal... should it be illegal for a game warden to ask if someone is carrying a loaded rifle on them or not? I don't see why someone is afraid of disclosing such facts.

And this is coming from a Canadian who want to toss the gun registry out of the window and overturn the Firearms Act.

 

[jillio]

how about this - you may tell us but don't ask us.

Like I said, pediatricians ask many questions related to child safety. I guess they aren't supposed to be concerned with preventing injury and death of children?

 

[Jiro]

How exactly is asking a simple question intimidation if you don't have anything to hide? If you do have something to hide, then it is a question that certainly needs to be asked in the name of safety.

then you believe erosion of Amendment 4 and 5?

"if you got nothing to hide, then you should answer our questions."