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[Jiro]

Definition of Parasite from MedicineNet
Parasite: An organism that lives in or on and takes its nourishment from another organism. A parasite cannot live independently.

Parasitic diseases include infections by protozoa, helminths, and arthropods:

* Protozoa -- Malaria is caused by plasmodium, a protozoa, a single-cell organism that can only divide within its host organism.
* Helminths -- Schistosomiasis, another set of very important parasitic diseases, is caused by a helminth (a worm).
* Arthropods -- The arthropods include insects and arachnids (spiders, etc.), a number of which can act as vectors (carriers) of parasitic diseases.

The term "parasite" came from the Greek "parasitos" (para-, along side of + sitos, food) meaning "eating at the side of, as at the same table." The sense of the term later changed to that of a poor friend or relative who lived at the expense of another. Not until the 18th century did "parasite" come into English as a biologic term.

The study of parasites is parasitology.

Definition of Parasitic
Parasitic: Having to do with a parasite, as in a parasitic infection; or acting like a parasite by taking nourishment from another.


Definition of Parasite from MERCK
parasite (par´ә-sīt) a plant or animal that lives upon or within another living organism at whose expense it obtains some advantage; see also symbiosis. Parasites include multicelled and single-celled animals, fungi, and bacteria, and some authorities also include viruses. Those that feed upon human hosts can cause diseases ranging from the mildly annoying to the severe or even fatal. adj., parasit´ic., adj.


I don't know how many different ways we can say it for you when they mean the same thing.

 

[Hermes]

I have supported my claim numerous times. It is now incumbent upon you to show me eveidence that a fetus is not parasitic in nature. You have failed to do so. You have simply posted irrelevent information that has nothing to do with the issue.

Main Entry: fe·tus
Variant(s): or chiefly British foe·tus /ft-s/
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural fe·tus·es or chiefly British foe·tus·es or foe·ti /ft-/
: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth --

Main Entry: par·a·site
Pronunciation: par--st
Function: noun
: an organism living in, with, or on another organism in parasitism

Main Entry: par·a·sit·ism
Pronunciation: par--s-tiz-m, -st-iz-
Function: noun
1 : an intimate association between organisms of two or more kinds; especially : one in which a parasite obtains benefits from a host which it usually injures
2 : PARASITOSIS

MedlinePlus: Medical Dictionary

1. Look at first entry, do you see parasitic in definition of Fetus?
2. Look at parasite, what does it say? An organism living in parasitism.
3. Look at parasitism, it says two or more kinds, benefits from host while it usually injures.

Neither fetus lives in parasitism, nor it says parasitic when you look at the definition of fetus, nor fetus is a different kind of species. Therefore fetus is not a parasite, or parasitic. Not everything that has a host d There is the definition, there is the official source, there is my conclusion.

Is this irrelevant information? Because I posted this before

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[jillio]

1. Look at first entry, do you see parasitic in definition of Fetus?
2. Look at parasite, what does it say? An organism living in parasitism.
3. Look at parasitism, it says two or more kinds, benefits from host while it usually injures.

Neither fetus lives in parasitism, nor it says parasitic when you look at the definition of fetus, nor fetus is a different kind of species. Therefore fetus is not a parasite, or parasitic. Not everything that has a host d There is the definition, there is the official source, there is my conclusion.

Is this irrelevant information? Because I posted this before

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Sweetie, you lost your argument several pages ago. And, yes it is irrelevent. And your definition does not include a behavioral aspect. The fetus behaves, for all purposes, in a parasitic nature.

Your conclusions are circular and erroneous.

 

[Jiro]

Your conclusions are circular and erroneous.

and selective.

 

[jillio]

and selective.

This would be true, too!

 

[Jiro]

1. Look at first entry, do you see parasitic in definition of Fetus?
2. Look at parasite, what does it say? An organism living in parasitism.
3. Look at parasitism, it says two or more kinds, benefits from host while it usually injures.

Neither fetus lives in parasitism, nor it says parasitic when you look at the definition of fetus, nor fetus is a different kind of species. Therefore fetus is not a parasite, or parasitic. Not everything that has a host d There is the definition, there is the official source, there is my conclusion.

Is this irrelevant information? Because I posted this before

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Yes that is irrelevant information because those definitions are from Merriam-Webster. Hardly a qualified source of information for medical context. As far as I'm concerned - the company could probably redefined its definition to be more pro-life friendly

Here's definition from CDC:
About Parasites - A parasite is an organism that lives on or in a host organism and gets its food from or at the expense of its host.

 

[jillio]

Yes this is irrelevant information because those definitions are from Merriam-Webster. Hardly a qualified source of information for medical context. As far as I'm concerned - the company redefined its definition to be more pro-life friendly

Here's definition from CDC:
About Parasites - A parasite is an organism that lives on or in a host organism and gets its food from or at the expense of its host.

It will be ignored, Jiro, because it doesn't suit their agenda. The same way they simply ignore all the medical and scientific information, not to mention factual legal principles, in favor of emotion and fantasy.

 

[Hermes]

Definition of Parasite from MedicineNet
Parasite: An organism that lives in or on and takes its nourishment from another organism. A parasite cannot live independently.

Parasitic diseases include infections by protozoa, helminths, and arthropods:

* Protozoa -- Malaria is caused by plasmodium, a protozoa, a single-cell organism that can only divide within its host organism.
* Helminths -- Schistosomiasis, another set of very important parasitic diseases, is caused by a helminth (a worm).
* Arthropods -- The arthropods include insects and arachnids (spiders, etc.), a number of which can act as vectors (carriers) of parasitic diseases.

The term "parasite" came from the Greek "parasitos" (para-, along side of + sitos, food) meaning "eating at the side of, as at the same table." The sense of the term later changed to that of a poor friend or relative who lived at the expense of another. Not until the 18th century did "parasite" come into English as a biologic term.

The study of parasites is parasitology.

Definition of Parasitic
Parasitic: Having to do with a parasite, as in a parasitic infection; or acting like a parasite by taking nourishment from another.


Definition of Parasite from MERCK
parasite (par´ә-sīt) a plant or animal that lives upon or within another living organism at whose expense it obtains some advantage; see also symbiosis. Parasites include multicelled and single-celled animals, fungi, and bacteria, and some authorities also include viruses. Those that feed upon human hosts can cause diseases ranging from the mildly annoying to the severe or even fatal. adj., parasit´ic., adj.


I don't know how many different ways we can say it for you when they mean the same thing.

WebMd part: Yes they are all saying the same thing. One organism and another organism. Fetus and mother are not different organisms. Fetus is the offspring of the parental organism. Fetus contains same DNA of the parental organism. Fetus is created by the host organism. There are no two different organisms.

Look at the examples it gives there. They are all alien organisms. There is no example of parasitic organism in nature that does use its own kind as host. Parasitic organisms do not live in their own kind.

You dont understand the scientific method: If a parasite can not live without the host, it doesnt make anything else that can not parasitic. This is called generalization and it creates falls outcomes in the field of science.

The Merck Part: Fetus is not a multi celled animal living in you. Its human offspring. There is no relationship of symbiosis between mother and fetus. Symbiosis requires two dissimilar organisms.

These are all the same things we kept repeating last 5 pages.

Ok I am excusing myself from the parasite conversation. We are not repeating the same thing. Thank you all for sharing your thoughts .

Hermes



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[Hermes]

Yes that is irrelevant information because those definitions are from Merriam-Webster. Hardly a qualified source of information for medical context. As far as I'm concerned - the company could probably redefined its definition to be more pro-life friendly

Go to this website: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/mplusdictionary.html

It is goverment website. NLM is National Library of Medicine. If you type anything there it takes you to Merriam-Websters Medical Dictionary. If you believe your government is providing you wrong information, write them and say it doesnt fit your political view.

Plus why would people change dictionaries for abortion discussions. Why are you seeing everything in political glasses? What is parasite or parasitic is not an abortion related subject. Only a small portion of people are bringing it into political debates. Who could really think there will be an abortion debate going on someday and somebody will decide to call fetus parasitic, while preparing these dictionaries What is exactly correct source for you, if National Library of Medicine didnt satisfy you? Ohh I know, the source supporting your political views.

You would do and say anything for winning an argument, wouldnt you?

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[jillio]

Go to this website: MedlinePlus: Medical Dictionary

It is goverment website. NLM is National Library of Medicine. If you type anything there it takes you to Merriam-Websters Medical Dictionary. If you believe your government is providing you wrong information, write them and say it doesnt fit your political view.

Plus why would people change dictionaries for abortion discussions. Why are you seeing everything in political glasses? What is parasite or parasitic is not an abortion related subject. Only a small portion of people are bringing it into political debates. Who could really think there will be an abortion debate going on someday and somebody will decide to call fetus parasitic, while preparing these dictionaries What is exactly correct source for you, if National Library of Medicine didnt satisfy you? Ohh I know, the source supporting your political views.

You would do and say anything for winning an argument, wouldnt you?

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And that is the problem with attempting to use Google, my dear, and hence my reference earlier to less than adequate research skills.

 

[KarissaMann05]

Do you remember an entry (from LJ) of a mother buried a 13 weeks fetus after she lost her child?

If you think a "miscarriage bury" is not true, I guess I supposely was a "lair" since I showed it before a couple of months. :|

Sighs. *shakes head*

 

[Hermes]

And that is the problem with attempting to use Google, my dear, and hence my reference earlier to less than adequate research skills.

You are now just trying to attack me. What do you mean attempting to use google? Did you click on the link?

It goes www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/mplusdictionary.html

This website is what I said it is.. National Library of Medicine on National Institute of Health website.. Click on it and double check.

Jiro questioned its accountability and I showed where the information comes from.

Now what are you exactly saying? Are we at this point you make random attacks for bullying posters in every thread? What does showing my sources credibility has got anything to do with "attempting to using google" and "less than adequate research" ?

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[jillio]

You are now just trying to attack me. What do you mean attempting to use google? Did you click on the link?

It goes MedlinePlus: Medical Dictionary

This website is what I said it is.. National Library of Medicine on National Institute of Health website.. Click on it and double check.

Jiro questioned its accountability and I showed where the information comes from.

Now what are you exactly saying? Are we at this point you make random attacks for bullying posters in every thread? What does showing my sources credibility has got anything to do with "attempting to using google" and "less than adequate research" ?

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Because if your research was adequate for arguing a medical issue, your defintions would come from a medical dictionary, not Miriam Webster.

But this is not a research class. It is a debate on the legal aspects of abortion.

 

[jillio]

Do you remember an entry (from LJ) of a mother buried a 13 weeks fetus after she lost her child?

If you think a "miscarriage bury" is not true, I guess I supposely was a "lair" since I showed it before a couple of months. :|

Sighs. *shakes head*

That is still not a legal burial. There is no death certificate, not birth certificate, no medical record, nothing. No one said you were a liar. I said it is illegal to do so.

 

[Jiro]

Go to this website: MedlinePlus: Medical Dictionary

It is goverment website. NLM is National Library of Medicine. If you type anything there it takes you to Merriam-Websters Medical Dictionary. If you believe your government is providing you wrong information, write them and say it doesnt fit your political view.

Plus why would people change dictionaries for abortion discussions. Why are you seeing everything in political glasses? What is parasite or parasitic is not an abortion related subject. Only a small portion of people are bringing it into political debates. Who could really think there will be an abortion debate going on someday and somebody will decide to call fetus parasitic, while preparing these dictionaries What is exactly correct source for you, if National Library of Medicine didnt satisfy you? Ohh I know, the source supporting your political views.

You would do and say anything for winning an argument, wouldnt you?

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My logical assumption is that they simply contracted with Merriam-Webster to provide simpler definitions - probably for general population who lack any basic medical knowledge. MedlinePlus is by no mean an authoritative voice for NLM.... which is why I provided you definitions from government's word (CDC) and professional medical community's word (MERCK, etc.).

 

[KarissaMann05]

That is still not a legal burial. There is no death certificate, not birth certificate, no medical record, nothing. No one said you were a liar. I said it is illegal to do so.

No, that is not what I mean...

I meant, it is true when a family bury a dead baby after miscarriage without using a proper bury since a life is not valued because it is not recognized.

I certianly sure you do remember the entry a couple of months ago, have'nt you??

 

[Hermes]

Because if your research was adequate for arguing a medical issue, your defintions would come from a medical dictionary, not Miriam Webster.

But this is not a research class. It is a debate on the legal aspects of abortion.

What am I saying? It comes from National Library of Medicine provided by National Institute of Health. This government agency uses this dictionary as a reference. It is a medical dictionary. You didnt even follow the link as usual. Is it because you never visited a medical dictionary , you dont understand it when you see one?

What do you know about Miriam Webster except the fact that I used it? You just read what Jiro said and jumped into it for using this as a chance to attack me, didnt you? Because mine was in fact a medical dictionary. You would know it if you looked at my source.

Please do not jump into subjects randomly without examing it for the sole purpose of attacking me .

Thank You
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[jillio]

No, that is not what I mean...

I meant, it is true when a family bury a dead baby after miscarriage without using a proper bury since a life is not valued because it is not recognized.

I certianly sure you do remember the entry a couple of months ago, have'nt you??

Yes, I remember. But a miscarried fetus has not achieved personhood. That is the whole point. If it had been considered to have independent life, it would have been given a birth certificate, a medical record for treatment, a death certificate stating cause of death, and then it would be buried according to the laws we have that govern the disposal of human tissue.

 

[Jiro]

No, that is not what I mean...

I meant, it is true when a family bury a dead baby after miscarriage without using a proper bury since a life is not valued because it is not recognized.

I certianly sure you do remember the entry a couple of months ago, have'nt you??

yes yes but point is - the LEGALITY of burial of miscarriage. It's not that the life of miscarriage is valued or not. I'm sure some people have buried their miscarriage. but that's not an issue in here. The focal point of this issue is the LEGAL RECOGNITION of miscarriage by government - the legal definition of personhood and rights recognized by government for fetus.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Do you remember an entry (from LJ) of a mother buried a 13 weeks fetus after she lost her child?

If you think a "miscarriage bury" is not true, I guess I supposely was a "lair" since I showed it before a couple of months. :|

Sighs. *shakes head*

Yes I remember from read your LJ but it doesn´t mean that we don´t beleive you. The question about the miscarriage fetuses burial does recognize as an official legal or not? I only know that the burial of dead fetuses (stillbirth) does recognize as an official legal but miscarriage fetuses? That´s why we want to know.