Do you support abortion as

[KarissaMann05]

Excaltly! Then why were you said it is illegal in a several pages ago??

I respect your opinions for not believe in a fetus is either a human or person being. That's understandable. I personally do believe a fetus is a human/perosn being.

 

[Jiro]

What do you know about Miriam Webster except the fact that I used it?

what I know about is.... it's not a professional medical company. it's simply a dictionary company with no medical operation nor facility nor such thing of its own... and they are in business of selling dictionary of all kinds

I'm sure they've got law dictionary and I don't think even lawyers would count on it at court

 

[jillio]

What am I saying? It comes from National Library of Medicine provided by National Institute of Health. This government agency uses this dictionary as a reference. It is a medical dictionary. You didnt even follow the link as usual. Is it because you never visited a medical dictionary , you dont understand it when you see one?

What do you know about Miriam Webster except the fact that I used it? You just read what Jiro said and jumped into it for using this as a chance to attack me, didnt you? Because mine was in fact a medical dictionary. You would know it if you looked at my source.

Please do not jump into subjects randomly without examing it for the sole purpose of attacking me .

Thank You
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And again, Mirim Webster is not a medical dictionary. A website that provides simplified definitions to the public is not a medical dictionary.

No, dear, it is not my intent to attack you. It is my intent to point out the inconsistencies and innaccuracies in your claims. It doesn't have anything to do with you. It is called debate.

 

[jillio]

Excaltly! Then why were you said it is illegal in a several pages ago??

I respect your opinions for not believe in a fetus is either a human or person being. That's understandable. I personally do believe a fetus is a human/perosn being.

Because it is illegal to take the product of a miscarraige and bury it in the woods next to river. I have already explained this. The product of a spontaneous abortion must be disposed of according the the laws regarding the disposal of medical wast.

It has nothing to do with belief. It has to do with the law.

 

[Jiro]

Excaltly! Then why were you said it is illegal in a several pages ago??

I respect your opinions for not believe in a fetus is either a human or person being. That's understandable. I personally do believe a fetus is a human/perosn being.

I suppose they had a permission from court or whatsoever to bury their miscarriage via formal burial ritual in a little coffin - not the one where you just bury one in backyard.

 

[Hermes]

My logical assumption is that they simply contracted with Merriam-Webster to provide simpler definitions - probably for general population who lack any basic medical knowledge. MedlinePlus is by no mean an authoritative voice for NLM.... which is why I provided you definitions from government's word (CDC) and professional medical community's word (MERCK, etc.).

Jiro, trying to disqualify other people's official sources randomly is not a good tactic . I didnt question your CDC and MERCK sources, and there is no indication showing that mine was a source deserves no credit either. Unless you have positive data showing any of these references are providing false information they all will stand as correct. It is a medical dictionary. It is provided by National Institute of Health. This is enough for this web forum discussion.

This is what you and jillo are doing: You choose a target and attack it at all costs. If nothing works you attack the sources he uses , if it doesnt work you start attacking him personally. This is really not a good way of discussing something.

We both already said what we wanted to say and provided the links too. Let other people read them and make up their mind. There is no need to try discrediting each other and make each other look bad.

Lets leave it there , ok?

Cheers
Hermes

 

[jillio]

I suppose they had a permission from court or whatsoever to bury their miscarriage via formal burial ritual in a little coffin - not the one where you just bury one in backyard.

Nor will there be any record of life or burial in this case.

 

[KarissaMann05]

Ah, I think it must be my sidekick last time I used... I thoguht you said something about an illegal bury. Don't wory about it. Thank you for explanation.

 

[Jiro]

Jiro, trying to disqualify other people's official sources randomly is not a good tactic . I didnt question your CDC and MERCK sources, and there is no indication showing that mine was a source deserves no credit either. Unless you have positive data showing any of these references are providing false information they all will stand as correct. It is a medical dictionary. It is provided by National Institute of Health. This is enough for this web forum discussion.

This is what you and jillo are doing: You choose a target and attack it at all costs. If nothing works you attack the sources he uses , if it doesnt work you start attacking him personally. This is really not a good way of discussing something.

We both already said what we wanted to say and provided the links too. Let other people read them and make up their mind. There is no need to try discrediting each other and make each other look bad.

Lets leave it there , ok?

Cheers
Hermes

of course... you're not able to question my sources as they are from medical professional and a government agency in business of medical field. The source you provided is not solely written nor spoken by NIH. I'm sure NIH is trying to make its site very user-friendly for general population therefore - your source makes a weak, questionable standing in this debate.

Where does your definition come from? Merriam-Webster
Who wrote the definition of "parasite"? Merriam-Webster
Is Merriam-Webster in business of medical sector? No
Is Merriam-Webster a professional medical company? No

What can GREATLY help you out of this mess is finding another definition from MEDICAL dictionary written by MEDICAL professional/organization/company that is in agreement with Merriam-Webster's definition of parasite.

 

[Hermes]

what I know about is.... it's not a professional medical company. it's simply a dictionary company with no medical operation nor facility nor such thing of its own... and they are in business of selling dictionary of all kinds

I'm sure they've got law dictionary and I don't think even lawyers would count on it at court

And again, Mirim Webster is not a medical dictionary. A website that provides simplified definitions to the public is not a medical dictionary.

No, dear, it is not my intent to attack you. It is my intent to point out the inconsistencies and innaccuracies in your claims. It doesn't have anything to do with you. It is called debate.

Ok Jirro, Jillio.. You are the masters of debates. When nothing worked you started to try discrediting my sources . We saw where it ended when you turned your guns each other in the past, so your tactics and how far you can take it is obvious. Everybody can read everything we provided and make up their own mind. I would like to leave it here if you do not mind. I dont want to be part of this discredit other person for winning an argument game.

Thank You
Hermes

 

[jillio]

Ok Jirro, Jillio.. You are the masters of debates. When nothing worked you started to try discrediting my sources . We saw where it ended when you turned your guns each other in the past, so your tactics and how far you can take it is obvious. Everybody can read everything we provided and make up their own mind. I would like to leave it here if you do not mind. I dont want to be part of this discredit other person for winning an argument game.

Thank You
Hermes

Discrediting sources is not discrediting the person.

 

[Jiro]

Sorry Hermes if you felt I was hostile toward you. I'm merely questioning the authoritative strength of your source. I repeat - What can GREATLY help you out of this mess is finding another definition from MEDICAL dictionary written by MEDICAL professional/organization/company that is in agreement with Merriam-Webster's definition of parasite.

That's all I ask for.

 

[Hermes]

of course... you're not able to question my sources as they are from medical professional and a government agency in business of medical field. The source you provided is not solely written nor spoken by NIH. I'm sure NIH is trying to make its site very user-friendly for general population therefore - your source makes a weak, questionable standing in this debate.

Where does your definition come from? Merriam-Webster
Who wrote the definition of "parasite"? Merriam-Webster
Is Merriam-Webster in business of medical sector? No
Is Merriam-Webster a professional medical company? No

What can GREATLY help you out of this mess is finding another definition from MEDICAL dictionary written by MEDICAL professional/organization/company that is in agreement with Merriam-Webster's definition of parasite.

No Jirro I dont say anything for your sources because they are not saying anything wrong. The problem is, Meriam Webster and your references doesnt say anything different either. You are reading them different. I already answered it in previous posts when you posted them.

Do you think National Institute of Health didnt read it before choosing Merriam Webster as their reference? It says Merriam Webster has been preparing dictionaries since 1831 so they are not an unknown source. Are they a wrong source? I do not know, I cant say that unless there is any indication for it. I do not judge these kind of things based on how well they are supporting me.

As we all see you are working hard to disqualify it. And the only reason is because I posted it and it didnt support your view. If it was supporting your view , you were going to be talking about how we should trust NIH right now.

Preparing a dictionary is not something so easy. Do not discredit well known dictionaries so fast. There is a whole science field dedicated to this. You can read more on Lexical semantics .

If you would like to talk more on it, can you please start a seperate thread since we started to go off topic here.

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[jillio]

No Jirro I dont say anything for your sources because they are not saying anything wrong. The problem is, Meriam Webster and your references doesnt say anything different either. You are reading them different. I already answered it in previous posts when you posted them.

Do you think National Institute of Health didnt read it before choosing Merriam Webster as their reference? It says Merriam Webster has been preparing dictionaries since 1831 so they are not an unknown source. Are they a wrong source? I do not know, I cant say that unless there is any indication for it. I do not judge these kind of things based on how well they are supporting me.

As we all see you are working hard to disqualify it. And the only reason is because I posted it and it didnt support your view. If it was supporting your view , you were going to be talking about how we should trust NIH right now.

Preparing a dictionary is not something so easy. Do not discredit well known dictionaries so fast. There is a whole science field dedicated to this. You can read more on Lexical semantics .

If you would like to talk more on it, can you please start a seperate thread since we started to go off topic here.

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Could we get back on topic?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Could you please create a new thread if you continue to talk about definition, medical dictionary, etc.?

 

[Hermes]

Could we get back on topic?

Yes I say human kind is a parasite killing its host planet earth and abortion should not only be free , it should be a must for every woman in order to get rid of this parasite called human, before it finishes all the resources .

Discuss please ...

 

[Jiro]

No Jirro I dont say anything for your sources because they are not saying anything wrong. The problem is, Meriam Webster and your references doesnt say anything different either. You are reading them different. I already answered it in previous posts when you posted them.

Do you think National Institute of Health didnt read it before choosing Merriam Webster as their reference? It says Merriam Webster has been preparing dictionaries since 1831 so they are not an unknown source. Are they a wrong source? I do not know, I cant say that unless there is any indication for it. I do not judge these kind of things based on how well they are supporting me.

As we all see you are working hard to disqualify it. And the only reason is because I posted it and it didnt support your view. If it was supporting your view , you were going to be talking about how we should trust NIH right now.

Preparing a dictionary is not something so easy. Do not discredit well known dictionaries so fast. There is a whole science field dedicated to this. You can read more on Lexical semantics .

If you would like to talk more on it, can you please start a seperate thread since we started to go off topic here.

Merriam-Webster is like a Wikipedia. It is a good dictionary for general information for general people to understand but it is NOT a great source of reference for a specific case - for ie. medical debate.... legal debate... That's why libraries (typically colleges like Harvard) dedicated a significant amount of budget to acquire specialized and specific references & sources.... certainly not Merriam-Webster Dictionary nor Oxford Dictionary.

Do you refer to your Merriam-Webster in legal proceedings? or medical test? Do you use a college junior's research paper as a support for your stance in debate? If your answers to all of my questions are no.... then you understand why your source is weak and questionable.

btw - Oxford Dictionary says:

parasite

• noun 1 an organism which lives in or on another organism and benefits at the other’s expense. 2 derogatory a person who lives off or exploits others.

— DERIVATIVES parasitism noun parasitology noun.

— ORIGIN Greek parasitos ‘person eating at another’s table’.

 

[Jiro]

yes agreed - back to topic

 

[Jiro]

Yes I say human kind is a parasite killing its host planet earth and abortion should not only be free , it should be a must for every woman in order to get rid of this parasite called human, before it finishes all the resources .

Discuss please ...

:topic:

 

[Hermes]

btw - Oxford Dictionary says:

parasite

• noun 1 an organism which lives in or on another organism and benefits at the other’s expense. 2 derogatory a person who lives off or exploits others.

— DERIVATIVES parasitism noun parasitology noun.

— ORIGIN Greek parasitos ‘person eating at another’s table’.

Yes Jiro, one organism in another organism. They all say it, its correct. I already argued fetus is not a different organism than its parental host, therefore it can not be considered as a parasitical relationship. Its all there in our previous posts.

Lets leave it here, its all speculative. Nobody could have found one medical source saying fetus has a parasitic nature or its a parasite.

Let me ask you another question for going back to topic. Lets say it has parasitic nature. What difference does it make from the case it doesnt? How does it exactly affecting the subject of abortion? You are defending this notion very strongly, so it must be adding something to your political view. How would your abortion argument benefit from it if fetus had parasitic nature?

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