Do you support abortion as

Do you support abortion as

  • a legal?

    Votes: 39 63.9%

  • an illegal?

    Votes: 22 36.1%
  • Total voters
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jillio said:
You have to wait for me to answer before you can reply, "I didn't think so.":roll: The answer is "Yes, I have read Parent's Magazine, and several other parenting magazines. I have also read numerous textbooks that would apply..
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If you have, then you would have known already. :)
 
Cheri said:
If you have, then you would have known already. :)
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I have seen nothing of the kind in all my years of reading. So, please, supply us all with a single article that supports your claim. We are all anxiously awaiting the opportunity to read this article. Especially since, without a certificate of death, a legal burial cannot be performed.
And, what about names? A legal name must be provided for a burial. I am very interested in how these women have managed to circumvent the laws.
 
jillio said:
You have to wait for me to answer before you can reply, "I didn't think so.":roll: The answer is "Yes, I have read Parent's Magazine, and several other parenting magazines. I have also read numerous textbooks that would apply.

Please provide a link or a citation for a single article that supports your claim. And we're not talking still births here. We are talking first trimester spontaeous abortions. And before you get all defensive here, "spontaneous abortion" is the proper term for miscarraige.
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Never heard of people burying miscarried fetuses. I seriously doubt they were proper or formal burials if people do bury their miscarried fetuses. :dunno:
 
shel90 said:
Never heard of people burying miscarried fetuses. I seriously doubt they were proper or formal burials if people do bury their miscarried fetuses. :dunno:
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That's what I'm sayin". However, another poster disagrees. That is why I have asked for support for her claim that these situations have appeared in parenting magazines.
 
jillio said:
That's what I'm sayin". However, another poster disagrees. That is why I have asked for support for her claim that these situations have appeared in parenting magazines.
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Ok..then i look forward to the links to whatever articles reported on this activity. Maybe whoever is making these claims r refering to other countries or cultures that perform these rituals?
 
jillio said:
I have seen nothing of the kind in all my years of reading. So, please, supply us all with a single article that supports your claim. We are all anxiously awaiting the opportunity to read this article.
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"We all" You're again speaking for everyone, while you are the only one asking for a source. And I found it, while you were too lazy to search for it.

Mothering Magazine Miscarriage Article: Carrying On

I was eleven weeks pregnant when I miscarried, Two days later, when I'd regained some strength, Rick and I buried the baby.
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It was in Mothering magazine just like I said. :)
 
Cheri said:
"We all" You're again speaking for everyone, while you are the only one asking for a source. And I found it, while you were too lazy to search for it.

Mothering Magazine Miscarriage Article: Carrying On



It was in Mothering magazine just like I said. :)
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This is not a legal burial. Nor was it a funeral. It was a woman and her husband putting tissue unto a hole in the earth. It is not common,nor is it recognized as such. One woman who chose to miscarry at home and save the tissue her body rejected, and then burying it beside the river is hardly evidence that anyone in this country performs a legal burial for the product of a miscarraige.

And I'm not speaking for anyone other than myself. I was reaffirming the statements of the other posters who also had expressed an interest in the article of a legal burial of the product of a miscarraige. They had already spoken for themselves.

And, we are still waiting for it.
 
jillio said:
This is not a legal burial. Nor was it a funeral. It was a woman and her husband putting tissue unto a hole in the earth. It is not common,nor is it recognized as such. One woman who chose to miscarry at home and save the tissue her body rejected, and then burying it beside the river is hardly evidence that anyone in this country performs a legal burial for the product of a miscarraige.

And I'm not speaking for anyone other than myself. I was reaffirming the statements of the other posters who also had expressed an interest in the article of a legal burial of the product of a miscarraige. They had already spoken for themselves.
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I never had said it was a legal burial, I only had said that people do buried their dead babies, it was an option and it had been done.
 
jillio said:
This is not a legal burial. Nor was it a funeral. It was a woman and her husband putting tissue unto a hole in the earth. It is not common,nor is it recognized as such. One woman who chose to miscarry at home and save the tissue her body rejected, and then burying it beside the river is hardly evidence that anyone in this country performs a legal burial for the product of a miscarraige.

And I'm not speaking for anyone other than myself. I was reaffirming the statements of the other posters who also had expressed an interest in the article of a legal burial of the product of a miscarraige. They had already spoken for themselves.
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Oh yea! I have read about informal burials like the one u described. For a moment there, I thought u mean formal burials conducted by a funeral parlor, death certificate and so forth. that would have been new to me but informal burials r common in many other cultures or during different times. Sorry for going off topic ..
 
Cheri said:
I never had said it was a legal burial, I only had said that people do buried their dead babies, it was an option and it had been done.
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No, you said people bury the product of a miscarraige. Of course, people bury dead babies all the time. But they also have a birth certificate, a death certificate, a legal name on both, and a legal burial.

BTW...it is illegal to dispose of any human tissue in the way this woman claims to have done.
 
shel90 said:
Oh yea! I have read about informal burials like the one u described. For a moment there, I thought u mean formal burials conducted by a funeral parlor, death certificate and so forth. that would have been new to me but informal burials r common in many other cultures or during different times. Sorry for going off topic ..
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Not off topic at all. And yes, many other cultures have different practices and regulations that we do here. But to bury human tissue of any kind means that you have to adhere to legal burial procedures in the U.S. To simply walk into the words, and put some human tissue in the ground is illegal.
 
jillio said:
No, you said people bury the product of a miscarraige. Of course, people bury dead babies all the time. But they also have a birth certificate, a death certificate, a legal name on both, and a legal burial.

BTW...it is illegal to dispose of any human tissue in the way this woman claims to have done.
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Can you clarify on this?

According to the article, the woman had a miscarriage at 11 weeks and it is still considered as a fetus. How would that be considered as a human tissue when it is still a fetus?
 
Jolie77 said:
Can you clarify on this?

According to the article, the woman had a miscarriage at 11 weeks and it is still considered as a fetus. How would that be considered as a human tissue when it is still a fetus?
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Fetal tissue is still human tissue. It is just fetal human tissue.

There are laws concerning the disposal of human tissue. Just like a physician can't give you an amputated limb to take home and bury in your backyard because it is human tissue even though it is no longer attached. Human tissue, whether it is in the form of fetal tissue, an amputated limb, or an organ that has been removed, has to be disposed of according to the laws governing the disposal of biohazardous material. Even a needle with human blood on it must be disposed of in a manner consistent with these laws. It is also why we can't just bury our loved ones in our backyard to keep them close. They must be buried in a cemetary, after having been embalmed, and placed in a sealed casket that prevents leakage of decaying tissues into the earth.
 
jillio said:
No, you said people bury the product of a miscarraige. Of course, people bury dead babies all the time. But they also have a birth certificate, a death certificate, a legal name on both, and a legal burial.
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She was 11 weeks pregnant and she buried the remaining of her unborn by the oak tree. I was not talking about legal buried.

it is illegal to dispose of any human tissue in the way this woman claims to have done
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It's her baby and she has every right to have a private funeral.
 
jillio said:
Fetal tissue is still human tissue. It is just fetal human tissue.

There are laws concerning the disposal of human tissue. Just like a physician can't give you an amputated limb to take home and bury in your backyard because it is human tissue even though it is no longer attached. Human tissue, whether it is in the form of fetal tissue, an amputated limb, or an organ that has been removed, has to be disposed of according to the laws governing the disposal of biohazardous material. Even a needle with human blood on it must be disposed of in a manner consistent with these laws.
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Yeah, I'm aware of how human tissues has to be legally disposed properly and to be informed and/or noted. I was only wondering because as a fetus, it is referred as a parasite that contains to be with the host. That is why I was wanting some clarification into this.
 
Dreama,

If I were a woman and I was raped and you'd be the product, I'd abort you. I don't WANT a rape child. Period.

Why is that such a hard concept for you to grasp? You'd NEVER know you were aborted because you were a product of rape or for ANY reason.

If you want to keep a fetus even tho it's from rape or incest or from an abusive prick, that's fine with me.

I don't want a child to remind me of the rape everyday. That dirty fetus has that rapist's DNA and I don't want a trace of that psychotic rapist. That rapist does NOT deserve to propagate and that fetus, although totally innocent of any wrongdoings, must die.

Sorry if this hurts your feelings but that's the way it is and I am sure many women who were violently raped feel that way too.
 
Cheri said:
She was 11 weeks pregnant and she buried the remaining of her unborn by the oak tree. I was not talking about legal buried.



It's her baby and she has every right to have a private funeral.
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She has a right to have any kind of ceremony she wishes. However, she does not have the right to put fetal tissue anywhere she so chooses. That is not my determination. It is the determination of the laws regarding the disposal of human tissue.

This is a thread on the legal aspects. I thought you realized that.

Putting the fetal tissue in the ground is neither a norm, nor a legal right in this country.
 
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